End American racism by ending labels

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
This is just Newspeak of 1984

Erasing a word from the vernacular will not erase its existence

Then why are we removing all the statues?

a reply to: network dude

Honestly one shouldn't remove any words, if one does we can't remember and learn from them to not make the same mistakes in the future. What we do need to do is give the words the respect they deserve, which is none. Race should be defined as the ignorant term it is, promoted as such, and remembered always. The purpose of history is to remember and learn from it. These people tearing down statues are not only repeating past mistakes already, but ensuring we can make them again in the future.

Erasing history is like trying to purposely give yourself amnesia so you no longer have any of the lessons one learned from their past successes and failures simply because you find your past failures embarrassing are are too ignorant to realize those past failures are what protects you from making those same mistakes again.

My daughter is 5 yrs old today. She's just like I was at that age - always asking questions, an insatiable hunger for knowledge and understanding of this crazy world.
A few months ago, we were paying for our things at the local hardware store. The young man behind the counter helped me reposition a large, heavy item, and I said "Thank you, brother."
When we were driving home, she asked "Daddy, was that man your brother?" "No, sweetie," I said with a smile. "Then why did you call him your brother?" "Well," I said, "we're all stuck here on the Earth together. Some people talk different, look different, or dress different. But until we build spaceships and travel to other stars and planets, this is our home - we were all born here, and we will all live our lives here. So when you think about it, every single person is really your brother or sister."

We are EARTHERS. I know Earthlings is already a word, but to my ears, it sounds a little too 1950's SciFi.

Forget the sins and stupidity of the past. Stop forcing labels of differentiation and division on children, forcing them to see our reality that way. This is my deep wish... until one far away day when we have succeeded in living in harmony and colonizing other stars... then even the word Earthers will be too narrow in scope.

Brothers and Sisters, all of us. Each one unique and beautiful, like grains of sand on a beach, or the stars in the sky.

Take care and be safe, my fellow Earthers.

originally posted by: rickymouse
You got a thread like this and I have been complaining for years that they took the label off the back inside of the underwear. You have to turn the light on to put your shorts on now, you cannot feel that little writing in the dark. That is one of the biggest conspiracies I can think of, when I turn on the light it pisses off the wife who is still sleeping. Underwear companies are trying to break up marriages.

Oh, maybe this is not about underwear labels? But it is hard to get things on straight when you are RACING to get dressed when you have to go somewhere.

The hell? Dude, you wearing the female drawers? Every pair of underpants I own have a piss flap in the front or a banana hammock front section, either of which is quickly apparent even in a pitch dark room as to which side goes over the front of the shop and which side covers the rear exit.

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: madmac5150

In the un christian heart bigotry and bias will never be abolished and neither will discrimination, it is at the root of tribal mentality in so many people.

They identify themselves by there colour, abolish that and they will still identify themselves by there imaginary class in which they see themselves and there peer's as superior to other's, eliminate that and it will be there wealth, there religion, there nationality, there beliefs etc.

Best you can do is get people to start to be more empathic, unfortunately too many folk's are simply lacking empathy and that is the problem with society, also fear of different is hard wired into the human psyche, maybe not so much when we are children but definitely once we pass into adulthood.

If you could get everyone to believe in Christ and practice even a little of his teaching's the world would be a million time's better for everyone.

I agree with you, in principle. I am a Christian.

Yet, forcing a religion on others... that hasn't ever really worked. I could cite history...

Agree'd and I could point out how it harmed genuine Christianity when we had it turned into the state religion of Constantine's empire though it did work on a smaller scale when the king of Syria adopted it as his state religion some time earlier than Constantine did.

The benefit though was a reduction in persecution for those calling themselves Christian's.

The downside was that many of them were anything but Christian and once it became the state religion real Christian's were not the one's that got the top job's in Constantine's bureaucracy, in many cases it was even former pagan priests whom had suddenly miraculously converted in order to keep there lifestyle and positions of respect in society.

But on his case I do believe it was God's will and Constantine really did convert in thank's to God for the miracle he received that helped him win that battle - and over all perhaps far more soul's have been saved over the course of the last what is it, nearly 1700's or so years now, than would have been saved had the few genuine Christian's been persecuted into extreme minority's by even good but misguided people.

So I am actually not for allowing false religions' to prosper, I am not a secularist though I will not judge other's I will definitely judge there religions as false as a Christian and as a Christian though I have no choice in today's society since it has been foisted on me by secularist authority's that force there will over my own book I would if given a choice avoid there company in my own time as we are supposed to do.

Put a white kid and black kid and yellow kid and a *snip* all together you know what happens?

They #ing play with each other no #s given about skin color. They may ask each other why they're different colors and they'll all reply with a similar answer. This crap is only an issue because people with vastly more money than all of us want it to be an issue, a divide, so we stay confused of whom the real enemy is.

a reply to: madmac5150

You're in favor of tearing down all Confederate memorials then?

All the statues of Christopher Columbus?

That kind of thing?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: madmac5150

You're in favor of tearing down all Confederate memorials then?

All the statues of Christopher Columbus?

That kind of thing?

OK, the Confederate memorials are one topic of discussion and, honestly, I sort of get it. I don't agree with it at all, but at least there is a degree of logic in the basic argument that a country shouldn't "honor" those who picked up arms against it with statues. (of course that position would also mean all the various statues honoring indians who fought against the US like Geronimo, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, etc need to come down as well... but I digress.)

Why would statues of Columbus fall under what the OP is saying? Columbus never fought against the USA... seems like any honor thrown his way is in line with any other explorer that receives honors from the society that grew upon the land they are credited with either discovering or at least charting.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The member I was responding to was making an argument that all cultural traditions and ethnic backgrounds should be discarded in favor of just "being American" ... which I have no problem with.

However, if that's what we're going to do, why we have any thing memorializing the heritage of the Confederacy, or of Italian explorers ... or anything else.

All the hubbub about Christopher Columbus was churned up when Italians started getting into positions of power in government. They saw him as a cultural hero, as I understand it.

I don't care, personally, what statues are up or down. It's not up to me, its up to the community. If they want Nathan Bedford on the Central Park lawn, so be it. If he makes me feel crappy when I look at him, I'll turn the other way.

Like some of you, I am getting tired of certain things being racist by definition. I'm not a fan generally of any sort of extremism.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: rickymouse
You got a thread like this and I have been complaining for years that they took the label off the back inside of the underwear. You have to turn the light on to put your shorts on now, you cannot feel that little writing in the dark. That is one of the biggest conspiracies I can think of, when I turn on the light it pisses off the wife who is still sleeping. Underwear companies are trying to break up marriages.

Oh, maybe this is not about underwear labels? But it is hard to get things on straight when you are RACING to get dressed when you have to go somewhere.

The hell? Dude, you wearing the female drawers? Every pair of underpants I own have a piss flap in the front or a banana hammock front section, either of which is quickly apparent even in a pitch dark room as to which side goes over the front of the shop and which side covers the rear exit.

The piss flap can be in front but the underwear can still be inside out. it is just unnatural. I don't like to wear my underwear inside out.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: Groot
I have been behind this forever. In my union, we call each other brother or sister.

I call people I like , good people, and those I don't like, assholes and such. Some people are just trash. We are all one race. Just cultural differences that seperate us. Wasn't long ago, after 9/11 , there was a huge hatred for muslims. But they are not bad. Like all societies, there is bad and good.

It's not race , if there is even such a thing, it is good versus bad.

If they are not in the union what do you call them?

Scabs. No bones about it.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I don't like to wear my underwear inside out.

Well lad dee da, look at Mr. Moneybags, doesn't turn his underoos inside out to go double time between laundry days.

originally posted by: solve

originally posted by: Groot
I have been behind this forever. In my union, we call each other brother or sister.

I call people I like , good people, and those I don't like, assholes and such. Some people are just trash. We are all one race. Just cultural differences that seperate us. Wasn't long ago, after 9/11 , there was a huge hatred for muslims. But they are not bad. Like all societies, there is bad and good.

It's not race , if there is even such a thing, it is good versus bad.

Maybe we are all one race but there are subspecies, when you cut away the flesh the bones don`t lie, we are different.

About as different as one is more prone to a disease than another. Cultural and political divides are much greater than genetics. But, in real life it's not really like that. Like our pediatrician for my kids. He was of obvious of Japanese descent, but grew up in California. He talked with that " valley " accent and all and very cool. Loved Dr. Kim ! He was not like any Japanese person I had ever met. He was a cool surfer dude. Depends on how you are raised , not your race.

That's actually a beautiful idea in theory, but what happens when folks shows up in the flesh, you do have "raceless societies " that are still racist.
Brazil is one such society, where everyone pretends until recently,, on the surface it seems just fine until one scratches the surface and look at the metrics ,

See the problems is not with the labeling in of itself but equal access to all in that sociaty, it is inequality and self entitlement which is feeds racism.
Even in America in NYC in what is now Central Park , ex enslaved ppl built up a community in that area from scratch, they were joined by immigrant poor whites, and together they organically built up what passes for a middle class community in their day, this was no gov't lead creation .
However this did not last as richfolks viewed the whole thing as an affront , drove them out and gave us beautiful park instead.

youtu.be...
Oh here is a short vid clip of Seneca village of what I'm telling you about.
Seneca village is the shortened form of Senegal village.

originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: solve

originally posted by: Groot
I have been behind this forever. In my union, we call each other brother or sister.

I call people I like , good people, and those I don't like, assholes and such. Some people are just trash. We are all one race. Just cultural differences that seperate us. Wasn't long ago, after 9/11 , there was a huge hatred for muslims. But they are not bad. Like all societies, there is bad and good.

It's not race , if there is even such a thing, it is good versus bad.

Maybe we are all one race but there are subspecies, when you cut away the flesh the bones don`t lie, we are different.

About as different as one is more prone to a disease than another. Cultural and political divides are much greater than genetics. But, in real life it's not really like that. Like our pediatrician for my kids. He was of obvious of Japanese descent, but grew up in California. He talked with that " valley " accent and all and very cool. Loved Dr. Kim ! He was not like any Japanese person I had ever met. He was a cool surfer dude. Depends on how you are raised , not your race.

We need to forget all that PC crap and celebrate our differences.

originally posted by: solve

originally posted by: Groot

originally posted by: solve

originally posted by: Groot
I have been behind this forever. In my union, we call each other brother or sister.

I call people I like , good people, and those I don't like, assholes and such. Some people are just trash. We are all one race. Just cultural differences that seperate us. Wasn't long ago, after 9/11 , there was a huge hatred for muslims. But they are not bad. Like all societies, there is bad and good.

It's not race , if there is even such a thing, it is good versus bad.

Maybe we are all one race but there are subspecies, when you cut away the flesh the bones don`t lie, we are different.

About as different as one is more prone to a disease than another. Cultural and political divides are much greater than genetics. But, in real life it's not really like that. Like our pediatrician for my kids. He was of obvious of Japanese descent, but grew up in California. He talked with that " valley " accent and all and very cool. Loved Dr. Kim ! He was not like any Japanese person I had ever met. He was a cool surfer dude. Depends on how you are raised , not your race.

We need to forget all that PC crap and celebrate our differences.

How boring a world that would be if we all looked and acted the same, let's have that beautiful colorful garden, cross pollination is ok, just get rid of the damn weeds.

a reply to: Spider879

Its the same with dog breeds, yes they are all dogs, but have different appearances,abilities and attributes.

Gets even more interesting when looking at Aboriginals.

People shouldn’t have to apologise for being born of a certain race, regardless of any event or events that have taken place throughout the last half a million years of history.

Want to apologise for something? Apologise for voting dEmocrat, and walkaway.

originally posted by: solve
a reply to: Spider879

Its the same with dog breeds, yes they are all dogs, but have different appearances,abilities and attributes.

Gets even more interesting when looking at Aboriginals.

No we don't , actually we are closer with all our apparent differences than two species of dogs or cats we all belong to the species homo sapian , cultural and languages may differ, yes we may differ due to certain micro environmental factors, short stumpy Innuit to tall , Tutsi, or short Ba-twa. Ppl, back to tall Sweds , in all else we have the same basic abilities for grasping complex ideas and problem solving.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
People shouldn’t have to apologise for being born of a certain race, regardless of any event or events that have taken place throughout the last half a million years of history.

Want to apologise for something? Apologise for voting dEmocrat, and walkaway.

Or Republican.