Minneapolis City Council set to disband the city's police department

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Many of you ar acting so smug over this, but have you actually thought about what it means if it works?

It is undeniable that we have over-equipped our police and made sure there are little to no repercussions when they negligently use those military-grade tools.

You could argue this is just the pendulum swinging back after giving the police a reckless amount of power. At the same time it is also bringing law enforcement back to the community level. Something I have seen many long for.

How are they planning to bring back law enforcement to the community level if it gets disbanded? There won't be police dept anymore.

What is their alternative to replace the primary law enforcement? I agree police aren't needed for a lot of things outside of violent crime, and Inagree it would be great if this works, but they are doing this blindly without any proven models to mimic which potentially puts the public at risk.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

There are lots of functions cops serve that they won't easily be able to plug random workers into.

Which dystopian vision is it where all the major corporations have their own private security forces because the city one is either defunct or inept or so on the take as to be ineffective?

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

This is a great gun rights experiment. Disband the police.

Pass a law to make it mandatory that everyone carry a gun. Fully open carry.

Let's see if crime falls or not.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Xcalibur254

There are lots of functions cops serve that they won't easily be able to plug random workers into.

Which dystopian vision is it where all the major corporations have their own private security forces because the city one is either defunct or inept or so on the take as to be ineffective?

You know the Mall of America will hire armed security guards to protect their shoppers and stores. That's the way it will go: rich people and large corporations will hire armed guards, while poor people will basically have to fend for themselves.

a reply to: grey580

That's just a different kind of authoritarianism though.

I want everyone to have their right to keep and bear, but no one should be forced to it.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

You can argue whatever you want. Right now, with so much mass insanity being passed around like covid on steroids, hell you could replace the police with solid gold dancers and everyone would applaud and rabidly drool like Martin Luther King rose from the grave and suggested it.

My whole life has been spent watching and observing humans, and trying to come to grips with hate. My hate and why I was hated.

Theres a reason laws and police exist to enforce them, but just like citizens police have to grapple with the problem of being a human animal.

You guys can talk about evolution and new ways, but you'll never remove the animal from the human. You can protest and blame and shame all you want, but it'll always be a factor.

Are there any businesses left in Minneapolis?

Seems like a lot of destruction, it seems the police do need an overhaul there seeing how this turned out.

a reply to: BoscoMoney

Mass insanity is exactly what it is, but just as I had posted in a similar thread, over-reaction is the agent behind it all. It breeds manipulation. We should all be collectively intelligent enough to know when we are about to cross a line... where you really do not want to be on the other side of.

Maybe it is time to push law enforcement closer to the local level. Let each locality decide best how they want to police their citizens. Decentralization of power will make it difficult for bad eliminates with in the police force to gain more power leading to less corruption....

... in some places; but thats the trade off. Minneapolis might be able to engineer a utopian police force; but some other locations might decide they prefer a heavy handed police force.


Do the same things with laws as well.

I’ve heard of some really dumb ideas before, I mean really, really dumb ideas...this is by far one of the dumbest.

Do it, do it please...I hate to admit it but watching the left flail about in their endless sea of stupidity has become one of my favorite pastimes.

a reply to: xuenchen

It's a good idea for people no where near Minneapolis

a reply to: Blaine91555

It’s a mixed bag. There are some groups that say “okay we’re going to defund them by removing all of their mental health/crisis intervention training and put that into another agency that actually deals with mental health.” Which is great. For too long late enforcement has been left holding the bag for things society can’t figure out how to deal with. It’s absurd that people have no other immediate option for help in a mental health crisis than calling the cops. That’s pure insanity. So things like that are a good idea.

The problem is when you have other groups like in LA that want to slash LAPD’s budget to 1/10th of what it is now. Now I’m fully aware that LA has practically no crime, but a cut like that seems a bit much.

People want good law enforcement officers then people need to stop expecting their police department to act as society’s garbage disposal for the things society can’t or won’t deal with. You want good cops, then train your cops to be good cops, don’t train them to be mental health intervention specialists.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Reasonable. Right now a lot of what I'm seeing and hearing is OMGOMG its has to change NOW NOW NOW! without any thought being put into it.

Guess they might as well legalize all the nasty street drugs at the same time.

Hell prostitution as well.

Minneapolis could be the next up and coming Las Vegas — with a Wild West twist.

Never know when you’re going to get shot.

Maybe it is time to push law enforcement closer to the local level. Let each locality decide best how they want to police their citizens.

a reply to: DanDanDat

We kind of have this now, certainly in context of where you happen to live in this country.

I live in a suburb of Boston where our police force is fair and just, but does not take any #. They are extremely firm when they have to be. They are respected by most of the town citizens.

In contrast, a few other towns nearby, they get tested a lot more by assholes and criminals because they have much poorer success in resolving issues and poorer communications with it's citizens.

So ... Management, communications and education.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I can't wrap my head around this, because 2020 is so crazy I can't keep up.

On the plus side, we will get an experiment to show people what happens when they ask for ridiculous things. You don't want police, fine, let's see how that goes.

I have to agree with you, just when I think we've seen the last of the 2020 problems, someone does something so stupid it just leaves you speechless.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

So even if we disband the police we become more like China.

Maybe... maybe not. The devil is in the details.

Again, it will be touted as a victory just because they got a response, even if it is a worse one.

And no matter how well it works, some will condemn it as a failure for their own reasons. And both will probably be right to one extent or another. No matter what they come up with, there will be some successes and some failures, some advantages and some disadvantages, some people happy and some people not.

Imagine living in a city with cameras everywhere. As if it's already not bad enough with the surveillance.

We already do. It's just a matter of ratios (and intents) between government surveillance cameras, private security cameras and cell phone cameras.

originally posted by: Bicent
Lol

Oh boy, mass exodus out of Minneapolis.

Hopefully this is satire.

Nope, it's real.

I just can't... I ...

The national guard will be sent in to police in. ____ days after the police leave.

I’ll say the spread is 10 days.

The real money will be put down on whether it is the MN governor, or DJ Trump that sends in the soldiers to do a cop’s job.

Not a police state— a state of war

“Cry ‘Havoc!’, and let slip the dogs of war...”. (Marc Antony, Julius Caesar)

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Hmm It will be interesting to see exactly what happens with this experiment. Im sure glad we arent running social experiments in my area of this magnitude. I see soooo much that could go totally and completely sideways really fast. So... are they decriminalizing a bunch of stuff at the same time? If not.. then this wont work.

Some folks... a law is the only reason they arent running amok. I mean, jail and the fallout of an arrest is still somewhat of a decent deterrent for many. When I was younger I can tell you that the threat of a stupid long trial and maybe jail was the only reason I didnt do even more stupid things than I did. Hell, even now, if it wasnt the threat of jail... I sorta feel like punching someone in the nose from time to time. Now I just crush their heads and carry on. This method of anger management doesnt work for everyone...