What the CDC Thinks Schools Should Look Like This Fall

Heres the actual title for the "article" at PJ Media:

Kids and Teachers Are Going to Need Therapy if Schools Follow the CDC's Recommendations for Classrooms

As opposed to Considerations for Schools - CDC

Now, which of those seems like an objective list, and which seems like a pure right-wing narrative?

Folks will notice.

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originally posted by: rickymouse
Kids over two must wear masks when in a bus going to school......Are they going to start making kids go to school at two now?

I think that the students stuck with the art teacher all day may enjoy school.

That's not what the CDC said.

However, pre-K ...

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse
a reply to: ketsuko
Deservedly or not-The Millenial generation has taken a lot of flak over recent years as being percieved as the most wussificated,easily offended,self entitled,whiny,limp brained bunch of snowflake people since records began.

Can you imagine what these kids will turn out like if their entire childhood is spent in "new normal/post lockdown" conditions as described in the OP?
It won't be pretty,thats for sure.
At least it'll take the pressure off the millenials I suppose.

Well, all my "millennial" friends are quite the opposite of all that. And a lot of them are quite dissatisfied with how things have been.

We worked hard to get to where we are.

The "wussification of other is due to the prior generations coddling and babying and pushing helicopter parenting and handing out participation awards.

We didn't didn't do that to ourselves.

And would you look at that? The same older generations that are mad at the product of their actions are once again enacting measures that will continue the "wussification" of the next generation.

Yep, Millennials gave themselves participation awards. Millennials gave themselves safe spaces, Yep. yep yep.

If anything I've been seeing my "Millennial" friends raising their kids up to be tough and logical and fearless, and quite the opposite of how Gen-Xrs and Baby Boomers did.

So, screw all that millennial bs. Bunch of pansy ass, liberal Gen-Xrs and Baby Boomers brought that about.

Yep, just beat the kids and tell them they're worthless, and then let the schools give them feel good material and make it impossible for them to fail.

Hover over their shoulders and dictate their every decision so they fail to think for themselves.

Whatever lol. W h a t e v e r! hahaha.

Yeah, okay.

The schools will look like prisons (even more than they already do). I refuse to go back into my local Target because the checkout lines look like a cross between a cattle run and a jail. The way they bolted the huge plexiglass screens into every register stand, it's pretty obvious they're never being removed.

People have to simply defy these orders and recommendations. The government isn't always right.

originally posted by: oriondc
The government isn't always right.

Nope. But in America, businesses still have the right to protect themselves and their customers as they see fit.

As opposed to the media narrative generated by the Trump regime's partners.

originally posted by: ketsuko
The CDC has released school opening guidelines, and they're predictably nuts.

These are so silly, I have to wonder if the people who wrote them have ever been anywhere near a school at all ...

The CDC is just doing its job; their job is to prevent as much as possible the spread of disease and the measures they are recommending would do just that ... mission accomplished.

Now the rest of us need to start doing our jobs as citizens; and that entails us reading these recommendations; understanding them; and deciding on a balance between living life and following the recommendations.

We as society have to start asking ourselves the really tuff questions; how much are we willing to give up to stay safe from this virus or the next one or the next war or the next natural disaster.

We need to stop hiding behind the childish notion that all life is precious and that even one life ... even 100,000 lives lost is a tragedy... it isn't... its life. Death is a party of life; maybe one of the most important parts of life.

Death is all-around us; it happens every day. Some times it may feel tragic in the moment, and some times it is glorious, and most of the times it happens with very little fanfare. But it ought never frighten us into changing who we are or how we choose to conduct our lives.

There are parts of this world where death has been a constant thought on peoples minds for generations before COVID-19 came along. Places where bombs drop on a daily basis; places where people die from ordinary sicknesses; places where people die from malnutrition... and some of those places are in our own backyards, and a lot of the time its us dropping those bombs.

Do those communities lock themselves up? Do they lock their kids away and tell them not to play with each other or share each others toys? No; they live their lives ... they do what they can to mitigate the danger but still face it head on.

Sheltering in place is a prudent course of action when the hericane is baring down on you; or the bombs are dropping. But sheltering in place is not a way of life; social distancing is not a way if life; wearing masks every where you go is not a way of life. Or it is not a way of life that I choose to participate in ... and frankly I can't fathom how so many people are eagerly anticipating living that way of life ... even if it saves them from death.

The question becomes how long do we live this way? When do we accept that the hericane may never end and get back to living life?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

I think I'd propose a commission where the people who actually have to work with kids in schools on the ground are part of the group at the table. I think I might also consult with places where schools were either never closed or were opened and carried on during this time. Those places do exist.

I'd just give it a best-effort attempt. no-one is going to prosecute anyone for slipping a bit.

Sure....sure.

Thanks for that.
Because I was sure wondering.

# 1112

LIfe isn't precious?

100,000 lives lost isn't a tragedy?

TL;DR: That's quite simply psychotic, IMO.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
LIfe isn't precious?

100,000 lives lost isn't a tragedy?

TL;DR: That's quite simply psychotic, IMO.

How many of those lives have you wept for?

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Gryphon66
LIfe isn't precious?

100,000 lives lost isn't a tragedy?

TL;DR: That's quite simply psychotic, IMO.

How many of those lives have you wept for?

100,000.

You?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Gryphon66
LIfe isn't precious?

100,000 lives lost isn't a tragedy?

TL;DR: That's quite simply psychotic, IMO.

How many of those lives have you wept for?

100,000.

You?

You've cried for everyone of those lives?

I find you to be a forthright individual Gryphon66; but in this case I simply do not believe you.

Me? I have not been moved to tears by any of those lives lost. If I had one wish right now; I'd wish they all came back to us. If the person granting me that wish asked for my own life in exchange I'd gladly give it... but I will not tarnish those lives lost by faking my feelings toward them.

a reply to: ketsuko

I think I'd propose a commission where the people who actually have to work with kids in schools on the ground are part of the group at the table.

Like this?

Implementation should be guided by what is feasible, practical, acceptable, and tailored to the needs of each community.

www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Gryphon66
LIfe isn't precious?

100,000 lives lost isn't a tragedy?

TL;DR: That's quite simply psychotic, IMO.

How many of those lives have you wept for?

100,000.

You?

You've cried for everyone of those lives?

I find you to be a forthright individual Gryphon66; but in this case I simply do not believe you.

Me? I have not been moved to tears by any of those lives lost. If I had one wish right now; I'd wish they all came back to us. If the person granting me that wish asked for my own life in exchange I'd gladly give it... but I will not tarnish those lives lost by faking my feelings toward them.

Your belief in me is not the issue.

Neither, for that matter, is your claim that 100,000 lost lives is not a tragedy, or that life is not precious.

I merely commented that I find both those claims psychotic, in a post that was not direted at you, because you aren't only one making such psychotic claims. However, YOU took it personally; YOU tried to make it personal about me.

I am not the topic. The response to the pandemic and it's likely recurrence is. Responding that deaths don't matter is ... sick? Repulsive? Surprising? I dunno, you pick.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: DanDanDat

originally posted by: Gryphon66
LIfe isn't precious?

100,000 lives lost isn't a tragedy?

TL;DR: That's quite simply psychotic, IMO.

How many of those lives have you wept for?

100,000.

You?

You've cried for everyone of those lives?

I find you to be a forthright individual Gryphon66; but in this case I simply do not believe you.

Me? I have not been moved to tears by any of those lives lost. If I had one wish right now; I'd wish they all came back to us. If the person granting me that wish asked for my own life in exchange I'd gladly give it... but I will not tarnish those lives lost by faking my feelings toward them.

Your belief in me is not the issue.

Neither, for that matter, is your claim that 100,000 lost lives is not a tragedy, or that life is not precious.

I merely commented that I find both those claims psychotic, in a post that was not direted at you, because you aren't only one making such psychotic claims. However, YOU took it personally; YOU tried to make it personal about me.

I am not the topic. The response to the pandemic and it's likely recurrence is. Responding that deaths don't matter is ... sick? Repulsive? Surprising? I dunno, you pick.

Your post was certainly directed at me; you mentioned phrases I used immediately after I said them and you labeled them psychotic. You than pretended to have cried for 100,000 deaths as a means to further your argument than anyone not doing so is psychic.

However I can see now that you may have misinterpreted what it is I wrote in the first place; and if that happened because I was unclear I do apologize.

No where in my post did I say "deaths don't matter" nor did I try to imply it. I did say death is a part of life ... I did say death was one of the most important aspects of life... I did say that there are way more than 100,000 people dieing on a regular basis... I did say many of those people are dieiing under more grave conditions than dieing of pneumonia in a hospital bed ... but I did not say deaths don't matter ... its just that living matters more.

Wear masks if over the age of two

I really don't get what the obsession with masks in the U.S. is about. Most nations are not forcing people to wear masks from what I understand. In Australia we were never required to wear masks and very few people actually wore them. Kids are now going back to school and our government is telling them not to wear masks. They say it could do more harm than good for kids to be wearing non-medical face masks but they don't recommend wearing medical face masks either. My question would be, what makes a mask medical grade?

It is not recommended non-medical face coverings be used as a mitigation strategy against transmission of COVID-19 or other similar communicable diseases, as the use of these masks has the potential to create more harm than good.

Additional Personal Protective Equipment (PPE), for example medical face masks, is not required to provide regular care for children or young people who are well, unless such precautions are usually adopted in the routine care of an individual child or young person. Good hygiene practices and environmental cleaning are more important for reducing risk.

Schools should not conduct wide-scale temperature checking of students as there is limited evidence to demonstrate the value of such checks.

www.health.gov.au...

I couldn't help but notice they also say there's very little evidence that temperature checks are effective, but the CDC says daily temperature checks should be done if possible. This is just more evidence that no one really has a damn clue what works and what doesn't. I would however argue temperature checks probably just increase the risk of spreading Covid-19, it forces kids to group or line up and the people doing the testing are getting close to a large number of kids.

It's the same reason I think Covid-19 tests are mostly pointless, if you have Covid-19 type symptoms you should be isolating and not traveling around, and if you have no symptoms then you have no reason to get a test. If I wanted to increase my chances of getting Covid-19 I would go get a test so I could be close to people testing for Covid-19 cases all day long. Testing is useful though if only to give us an indication of how many people have been infected.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

My question would be, what makes a mask medical grade?

Primarily the size of particles which are filtered and the integrity of the seal on the face.

Most nations are not forcing people to wear masks from what I understand.

Nor is the US. Some states and localities require it in some situations. Many grocery stores do. Not a prolonged wearing.
You understand that the point is not so much to protect the wearer as it is to protect others?

It's the same reason I think Covid-19 tests are mostly pointless, if you have Covid-19 type symptoms you should be isolating and not traveling around,

And everyone you have been in contact with as well? Wouldn't it make sense to find out if you actually have the disease so contact tracing and be used to determine from where you may have acquired it and whom else may have been exposed? So that, even if asymptomatic, they too could be isolated?

If I wanted to increase my chances of getting Covid-19 I would go get a test so I could be close to people testing for Covid-19 cases all day long.

Drive-thru testing is the preferred method here, because of the concern you express.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Drive-thru testing is the preferred method here, because of the concern you express.

I've seen videos of people doing the drive-thru tests and my opinion is still basically the same. Yes it reduces the risk but you still have people leaning in your window, they give you a thing to stick up your nose, and you hand it back to them. That's not really a process I'm willing to trust is handled perfectly all the time because humans aren't perfect. Like I said, if I had symptoms then I see no reason to get go out traveling and increase the risk of infecting others, plus I think it's possible to get a test after you've recovered which will show whether you've had Covid-19 in the past.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Yes it reduces the risk but you still have people leaning in your window

People wearing proper PPE and they don't actually lean in the window much.

Like I said, if I had symptoms then I see no reason to get go out traveling and increase the risk of infecting others, plus I think it's possible to get a test after you've recovered which will show whether you've had Covid-19 in the past.

The risk can be minimized. And your plan doesn't do much about the others who may have been exposed to you or the same people you contracted it from.

Wear masks if over the age of two
Discourage sharing of items or supplies that can’t be easily cleaned between uses
Clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces between uses
Develop a schedule for increased, routine cleaning and disinfection
All belongings separated into individual cubbies or labeled containers
Avoid sharing electronic devices, toys, games, or learning aids
Desks should be 6-feet apart and all facing the same direction
One child per seat on school buses and skip rows between riders
Install sneeze guards or partitions where 6-feet-apart won’t work
One-way routes in hallways
Tape on sidewalks and walls to ensure kids stay 6 feet apart
Close shared spaces like cafeterias and playgrounds
Physical barriers or screens between sinks in bathrooms
Children either bring their own meals or serve individually plated meals in the classroom
Kids eat lunch in classrooms
Virtual events in lieu of field trips
The same children stay with the same staff all-day
Avoid switching groups or teachers
Stagger student arrival and departure times to limit crowds of kids
Limit non-essential volunteers and visitors
If possible, daily health and temperature checks

Psychological Terrorism, right there. How does this effect the mental health of the next generation?

a reply to: ketsuko

Here's a foolish question. If the students are to wear masks all day and the take them off to eat/drink wouldn't that defeat the purpose of wearing the mask? Or is the plan to allow one person at a time to remove their mask to eat, when he/she are done then the next one removes their mask to eat?