US would struggle to defend Taiwan, and lose war to China simulations show

A Pentagon report coming out later this year will show that in a significant fight against China, especially from 2030 and beyond, US forces would struggle to defend Taiwan, and would be overwhelmed by Chinese naval forces. Every US base in the Indo-China region is currently under threat from new medium range, and hypersonic weapons that have been developed, but the real threat is considered to come from 2030 on, when China will begin fielding new aircraft carriers, escort ships, and submarines.

The US has been passive on building new defenses and systems, especially in the Pacific, and is now working on developing new missiles and moving ground launched missiles into the region.

The US would lose a war with China fought in the Pacific, is unable to defend Taiwan from an invasion and fears the Guam military base is at risk now, US defense sources have warned.

'Eye-opening' Pentagon war games have revealed growing fears the US is vulnerable to threats from China and that any attack would lead to the US 'suffering capital losses', the sources said.

The worrying analysis is expected to come to light in the Pentagon's 2020 China military power report this summer.

The stark warning comes as tensions continue to mount between the two nations after US President Donald Trump has blasted China's handling of the coronavirus pandemic and repeatedly suggested the nation lied about the extent of its crisis.

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is taiwan an american state?
im chinese, my dad grew up in taiwan.

im an american, i could care less. its not america's job to police the world.

It would be an un-winnable war. The first county to loose an aircraft carrier would probably unlimber nuclear weapons. Welcome to the new Cold War.

Holy. Let’s tell China they can beat us..,or maybe it’s a psyop to give them rope to hang themselves, hope the latter

a reply to: dantanna

Their goal of global domination is worrisome to America. This is a significant step in that direction.

a reply to: tayton

This is in the Pacific. This is not saying America would lose a complete war. Any American who thinks they can keep purchasing Chinese made goods, and there will be no repercussions later on is delusional. As soon as China is strong enough to dominate the Pacific they will use military force to do so.

originally posted by: dantanna

im an american, i could care less. its not america's job to police the world.

Taiwan is the world leader in chip manufacturing and other type technology and they are also investing in America as they are building a 14 billion dollar plant as I write this. China would love to have Taiwan to establish that world dominance in that market...

To you no big deal...

The US economy is collapsing, unemployment is 30 million plus, food lines are miles long.

Time to look after the people at home and not abroad.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: dantanna

Their goal of global domination is worrisome to America. This is a significant step in that direction.

It should be worrisome to the entire world.
Look at how China are blatantly using the pandenic which they are responsible for to escalate their attempts at domination on all fronts.

a reply to: Jamie2018

We did that once before. It didn't work out so well.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jamie2018

We did that once before. It didn't work out so well.

Please explain - I am not an American.

Edit - OK your talking about Hitler?

a reply to: Zaphod58

That would depend on how we fight it. A lot of these studies are funded by industries that manufacturer military equipment. They are a lot like the studies funded by teacher's unions saying that kids education is lacking because there's not enough spending.

Hit China with a cruise missile strike and some unrestricted submarine warfare I don't see their version happening. There's a reason we converted some SSBNs to SSGNs.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

This is in the Pacific. This is not saying America would lose a complete war. Any American who thinks they can keep purchasing Chinese made goods, and there will be no repercussions later on is delusional. As soon as China is strong enough to dominate the Pacific they will use military force to do so.

They got a long way to go, and in 10 years ships without serious protection will be obsolete. They have three antiquated aircraft carriers with a fourth one to be done around 2025/2026 also on an antiquated design. The aircraft they have for them are like turds in a toilet bowl, and even internal chinese talk says the same thing as they can not carry much fuel and bombs at the same time...lol

The big question will be, where will China be in 10 years. Within that time it is highly likely they will lose most of their foreign companies that do business today with them. There is also a good chance they will be under some heavy sanctions, and have already peaked like 10 years ago, but been running a faked economy growth to cover it all up. Even before the pandemic they were seeing the lowest growth in the last 30 years as it is time to pay the piper.

I think they are in a world of hurt, and they now have 1 billion people who were dirt poor before, but have now tasted what a better life looks like all paid for by western capitalism that if that mostly dries up they go back to being dirt poor and that might be something they will not want.

originally posted by: Jamie2018
The US economy is collapsing, unemployment is 30 million plus, food lines are miles long.

Time to look after the people at home and not abroad.

What do you do next week...lol


I joke, but your statement is so short sighted I can't do much else.

a reply to: Jamie2018

Prior to WWI and WWII the US was non-interventionalist.

These reports are valuable in that we have the capacity and power to determine these fates.

As such, it is also within our capacity and power to change these fates as well.

To the OP, what does the US need to do now or on a couple years to advert this? At the very least, maintain the capacity to aid and defend Taiwan at a moments notice?

To other readers, Taiwan is a democratic nation next to a Beast that threatens its very survival daily, yet despite this, Taiwan has been resilient and therefore it is in our interest to protect Taiwan at all cost.

Yes, I consider them worthy of initiating combat and war to aid the Taiwan people.

Wars no good for either side as taking Taiwan by force would kill its economy as they depend a hell of a lot on the west for money and they've been at it on the more political side buttering up the political classes on reunification so at the moment theres no need for them to start planning to do any invasion.

China is never in a hurry as it doesn't have elections so no need to pander to getting votes so if it takes 20-30 years to slowly bring Taiwan back then its no real problem.

But really this probably is a grab for more funding since the purse strings are open at the moment theres no better time to go and grab a few hundred billion while no one is really checking the books.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Yeah short sighted indeed, starving masses in the US and you want to defend Taiwan against China, you want to defend Ukraine against Russia, you want to defend Iraq against Iran, you want to defend Saudi Arabia against Yemen and so on.

How about defending America against the Military Industrial Complex, they will spend Trillions to save distant countries, while Americans starve?

China still has no force projection. Unless you share a border with China there isn't too much to worry about. Taiwan's biggest fear is missile and air strikes from China, but, chances of an invasion is remote. There is the possibility of a blockade, but, that's remote. China is a bigger threat to South Korea than Taiwan.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Jamie2018

Prior to WWI and WWII the US was non-interventionalist.

It is funny that China in the last 10 years have been going down this path of isolationist economic wise. They have this idea that the world needs them, but they do not need the world, and that has led to extreme measures towards foreign companies in the last 5+ years who have been trying to do business with them, but hit a wall of brutal communist control.

It will be very interesting as to what their economic landscape looks like in 3 years, especially if Trump wins his second term.