who and what are you going to believe. Big study from Calif. blows covid-19 lethality away

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Overview

According to data from the best-studied countries such as South Korea, Iceland, Germany and Denmark, the overall lethality of Covid19 is between 0.1% and 0.4% and thus up to twenty times lower than initially assumed by the WHO.
A study in Nature Medicine comes to a similar conclusion even for the Chinese city of Wuhan. The initially significantly higher values for Wuhan were obtained because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not recorded.
50% to 80% of test-positive individuals remain symptom-free. Even among the 70 to 79 year old persons about 60% remain symptom-free, many more show only mild symptoms.
The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 1% of the deceased had no serious previous illnesses. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality. Up to 60% of all Covid19-related deaths have occurred in particularly vulnerable nursing homes.

a reply to: 727Sky

I wouldn't put too much stock in that site, they are pushing the CDC estimates for flu as facts, which are inflated numbers to push for vaccination.
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If the confirmed cases for flu for 2017 were used with their estimate for symptomatic illness for that same year to get a death rate you get:
6515/45,000,000 = 0.00014 or 0.014%

That makes the 0.1% to 0.4% in the overview seem a lot worse than if you just accept the 0.1% for flu.

You might ask yourself, why use confirmed cases for flu with the estimate for symptomatic illness? That is just fudging the numbers for the sake of fear-mongering.

In an attempt to compare apples to apples, I have used the same method used to get the 0.1% to 0.4%. Nobody knows the real number of people infected with CV-19, so in order to get those numbers, they had to have used an estimate and calculated with the confirmed cases to get those numbers.

Now, lets keep it real, testing for flu is not a priority, so the real death rate for flu is between the 0.014% I calculated and the 0.1% published by the CDC. What the real number is, we will never know.

I guess the point is that people citing numbers without knowing how those numbers were obtained are not even trying to do an apples to apples comparison because apples to oranges is a better confirmation bias fit (not aimed at you Sky).

Thanks for proving that 'lies, damned lies, and statistics' is the rule of the day.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
Here is their explanation of why they use estimates:
www.cdc.gov...

and here are their estimates from 2010 thru 2019
www.cdc.gov...

Here is a page that shows deaths from flu is 6,515 although the pdf they link to shows influenza and pneumonia lumped together with a number of deaths at 55,672
www.cdc.gov...#

Here is the kicker, a slideshow about flu vaccination, on page 29 it says:

“Recipe” that Fosters Influenza Vaccine Interest and Demand (2)
3. Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)– and urge influenza vaccination.
4. The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:
A. Significant media interest and attention
B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behavior (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)

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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I watched 25 minutes of the video. The presentation is data driven and the doctor makes a great presentation with ALL AVAILABLE DATA.

Looks like part of the demolition plan might be to create opposing sides in the medical sector, those who are committed to their oath and practice, with integrity and those who have vaccines/drugs/$$$ in their eyes. Any doctor who prescribes drugs is a lazy a$$ mofo -

If you think a Doctor saved you or someone you loved, you or your loved one had just as much to do with it. I am watching my Aunt shrink to nothingness because she is taking NINE (!!!) prescription drugs. And she asks me if I'm not worried about absorbing petroleum when I use Vaseline! My Dad, his wife, several friends, all taking medication AND look like HELL! My mom refused to take her heart meds because of side effects and is working like heck to change her lifestyle at 73!!! Since quarantine she quit smoking and drinking and is eating less sugar (a real danger). Just ranting...

Isnt this from the same study that was referenced in that hot mic video with John Roberts. The USC study??

who and what are you going to believe. Big study from Calif. blows covid-19 lethality away

What I am going to believe?

If the Wuflu was so effing deadly.

It would not have been politics as usual.


The biggest inconvience to me for the past two months is not being able to get a hair cut, and cheap gas.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 727Sky

The U.S. mortality rate for Covid-19 + Flu COMBINED = 0.03% (3/100th of 1%)

(60,000 Flu + 55,000 Covid-19 deaths/divided by 330,000,000 people)

No, to calculate the mortality rate you would take total deaths divided by the total infected. The whole US population of
330,000,000 don’t currently have the flu and/or Covid.

a reply to: neo96

The biggest inconvience to me for the past two months is not being able to get a hair cut, and cheap gas.

Haircut? Who needs a haircut when you wear a full gas mask every day?



But seriously: People in China routinely wear face masks. China is where this reportedly "started". So - are face masks good? Or do they exacerbate the problem?

My coworker and I were talking about this today while at our essential retail job. Make no mistake: I'm glad most customers are wearing them. But have you thought about how it started in the place where people wear face masks every day?

Just wondering. I have a weird mind.

It looks like the days on that one site are counted on Sandwich Mean Time.

a reply to: VeeTNA

But have you thought about how it started in the place where people wear face masks every day?

Yep.

I have thought about where it started and why nothings been done about it.

a reply to: neo96

So, is the wearing of face masks the problem?

originally posted by: VeeTNA
a reply to: neo96

So, is the wearing of face masks the problem?

Yep.

Too much crap happens and comes out of China.

Now it's our problem, and one that has to be solved so the next one don't eff us over.

The problem with his extrapolation of testing data is that he's assuming the people tested will be statistically average people.

That isn't the case in Oregon. You can't get tested in Oregon unless you fall within a category of being someone who is likely to actually have it.

So, prior to even administering the test, we already know it is likely to end up being positive.

So in Oregon we've administered 51,198 tests, and I don't know how many were positive, but worldometers has our total cases at 2,354 (which I assume includes all tests that have come back positive).

Using a calculator, it looks like about 4.6%




But you can't therefore assume that 4.6% of all Oregonians have gotten it. Remember: we zeroed in on JUST THE MOST LIKELY candidates before we administered the test.

If everyone got the test, the number would probably be a great deal lower than 4.6%

A nurse claims in N.Y. they are purposely killing some patients and others are just left to rot; it is like a horror movie. Those who get put on a ventilator are done so improperly on purpose as their lungs are damaged. Nurses on standby at hotels but are not being called even though N.Y. hospitals are claiming they are understaffed. If any of this is true the whole virus thing is as much political as it is deadly. I will not be surprised if this video gets taken down

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Real pandemics don’t require faulty virus models, rigged test results, inaccurate reporting and manipulated death statistics

But psychological operations do

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: 727Sky

The numbers have to be skewed to justify the funding.

Personally, I'm quite concerned about the virus for my own reasons but I don't appreciate being lied to about it.

they were skewed because we were operating on a worst case scenario situation. it's better to overestimate than underestimate in these situations.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Real pandemics don’t require faulty virus models, rigged test results, inaccurate reporting and manipulated death statistics

But psychological operations do

the models weren't faulty, they were incomplete due to the extremely limited data that we had at the time. they got better the more data that we put in. we won't have a truely accurate model for this for a couple of years, and only once we have coleted much more data.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
Real pandemics don’t require faulty virus models, rigged test results, inaccurate reporting and manipulated death statistics

But psychological operations do

the models weren't faulty, they were incomplete due to the extremely limited data that we had at the time. they got better the more data that we put in. we won't have a truely accurate model for this for a couple of years, and only once we have coleted much more data.

Hope you are correct however after all the years of climate modeling they (IPCC) still can not seem to get it right or even close to observations. I personally think models are way over blown and relied upon unless it is something simple with limited factors.

It’s new and it killed 50k Americans fast. And Potentially 1 million American people got it fast. I think it was def fast enough to run and hide for 45 days if you were an American. Not sure why the other countries were not hit as hard.. probably luck.

originally posted by: tonycodes
It’s new and it killed 50k Americans fast. And Potentially 1 million American people got it fast. I think it was def fast enough to run and hide for 45 days if you were an American. Not sure why the other countries were not hit as hard.. probably luck.

The numbers we are given leave out all the people who actually died for other reason. It has been reported more than once that no matter what killed you, COVID-19 would be on the death certificate.
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Study of infected prison inmates in four states finds … 96% are asymptomatic

And I don’t mean city populations; I mean “captive” populations, forced into close quarters in confined spaces like prisoners are. As of three days ago “about 50 percent” of sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt who’d tested positive were asymptomatic. Aboard the Diamond Princess, the number of asymptomatics was similar, 46.5 percent. Prisons are seeing twice that rate, it seems. Why?

Also mind-boggling is the number of prisoners who’ve tested positive, period. At the Marion Correctional Institution in Ohio, 88 percent of the population was infected. At prisons in Michigan and North Carolina, well over half of those tested were positive. Across prison systems in four states, per the numbers provided below, 70 percent had COVID-19. The virus is spreading through these facilities like wildfire — but without much of a human toll, thankfully. If you’re still clinging to the Oxford model’s theory that much of the world has already been infected without knowing it despite the discouraging news from NYC a few days ago, these prison numbers are the most heartening news you’ve had in weeks.

“If You Die of a Clear Alternative Cause, It’s Still Listed As A COVID Death” – Dr. Ngozi Ezike
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The Facts: Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of the Illinois Department of Public Health, recently stated that, even if it’s clear one died of an alternative cause, their death will still be marked as a COVID death.
Reflect On: Are COVID-19 deaths being miscalculated? Are the numbers inflated, or the opposite?