Information Deception In Covid Deaths Uncovered

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

he said there would be "some overlap" between coronavirus deaths and expected deaths -

Falling in the 85+ age bracket in the US gives you an expected 14% mortality rate for this year. That's just total expectancy -- not COVID-19. I imagine the COVID-19 mortality is quite high in this group, all the more so because those people are likely to have several underlying conditions as co-morbidity factors.
But we shouldn't talk about co-morbidities because we're trying to terrify Susan that her kids are in immediate peril, even though they have 99.9% rate of recovery even without co-morbidities. It is safer than the flu for her kids. If you're under 55, you've got at least a 99.8% chance of recovery -- and that's using confirmed cases and ignoring the 4-20 times number of asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic which have not qualified for testing, so the mortality rate is probably an order of magnitude lower.
We're victims of a terror campaign that's collapsed the economy.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
And it was all just politics.

To me the kicker was the presser when Pompeo said "we're in a live exercise here" and Trump interjects "They should have let us know".

That was staged. Like they didn't know about the measures China took when locking down Wuhan and streaming the building of a hospital in 2 weeks. The whole world knew about that, how could they not know?

Soon after that, their tune changed.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

However, if the patient is confirmed via test and died of heart failure, then the cause of death must be Covid-19

Are you a medical examiner?

I am quite sick of your useless one liners. What's your beef? Why are you hailed as a 'special' poster here. I have personally never read anything much constructive from you.
I am fed up with all of this fear mongering.

Look, we know that numbers have been doctored, we know that they count everyone with corona inside of them as a covid-19 victim. 80% of humasn around the world have a coraona virus in their body. If you ever had a cold, you will show positive. They can't test for corvid-19. If they develop a test, can we trust it after being hastily thrown together without long term observation?
The answer is; NO.

I am also no medical examiner but I was a professional scientist both in a biological field [ Neuroscience] and in R&D for pharmaceuticals and food science. I know how to develop tests in GLP [good laboratory practice] laboratories that are valid, and I know how to read data and exclude outliers and false positives. I wrote methods on tests that are still used by those working in labs.
I don't just fall for hysteria and thrown around numbers until I know all the data and everything that can show false results.

Now I feel a little better.

a reply to: Hecate666


I've given you one star but if I could id give you a lot more for that post.

a reply to: rikgrimsby

Thank you. Today something happened in me. I am really pissed off about all this hysteria and fear mongering and especially of the reactions to this normal viral infection which is now going down in numbers [UK] because flu season is over.
I was angry before, but didn't have enough knowledge to back anything up.
Now we do.
It's a normal flu season. And they managed to bring the world economy down and start up a draconian NWO. For what?
Something that happens every year, sometimes worse sometimes not so bad?

I feel like living in cloud coo coo land, ruled by morons. I need to go outside into the sun and be free again.

a reply to: Hecate666


I called this out on the 10th of march on my podcast. People are losing their minds and believing what they hear from the media and their governments. Society is being manipulated and gaslighting all the way through this. It's scary how its all happened, but as I've said I think we will be out of lockdown (in the UK) around the end of April mid-May time... End of May at the very latest. I'm more worried what's to come in 5/10 years' time.

Plaese can you tel me ware you go the numbers for for this,
"Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales:
factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure tops 600,000."
from what you said

as they say this!
"Seasonal flu death estimate increases worldwide" 650,000
sorry!

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
I'm just gonna leave this here....

This was from 3 days ago, but yes only FOURTEEN people have died from Covid who had no underlying conditions. Why isn't that fact mentioned???

I have to say it's truly incredible how much animosity and spite people have displayed to me upon me showing these figures to them.

They will defend their own subversion to the death.

If I could star and flag the OPs post and this post a million times I would.

THANK YOU!

I’ve started multiple threads with data and observations showing something is amiss with all of this - and you summed it all up in one matrix!

Wake up folks. This isn’t what it’s made out to be.

There are a few curiosities I have that I can’t satisfy to fully understand the Covid narrative:

1. How many total people have we tested in the US.
2. How did Trump admin/Fauci arrive at the figures they did/why won’t they release the data and calculations.
3. Full, nationwide breakdown of the death data using a chart just like the one above.
4. Full accounting of how much federal money each state has received tied to Covid.

There’s more.

This thread delivers the critical thought we need.

Right now, I see this as an exploited crisis to intentionally derail our economy and make a huge cash grab by states for Fed money. The push for this was led by Dem governors operating in concert. And it worked exactly as intended.

It’s the biological version of 9/11 here - you’re being played folks.

Also going unreported is the fact that “Influenza Deaths” ticked up back in 2018 (no full dataset for 2019 released by CDC yet):

From 2017 to 2018, age-adjusted death rates decreased for 6 of 10 leading causes of death and increased for 2. The rate decreased 0.8% for heart disease (from 165.0 in 2017 to 163.6 in 2018), 2.2% for cancer (152.5 to 149.1), 2.8% for unintentional injuries (49.4 to 48.0), 2.9% for chronic lower respiratory diseases (40.9 to 39.7), 1.3% for stroke (37.6 to 37.1), and 1.6% for Alzheimer disease (31.0 to 30.5). The rate increased 4.2% for influenza and pneumonia (14.3 to 14.9) and 1.4% for suicide (14.0 to 14.2). Rates for diabetes and kidney disease did not change significantly.

www.cdc.gov...

I’m unsure if/when the CDC will release the 2019 reporting but if pneumonia or death related to lung/breathing/heart issues ticked up in 2019 - particularly towards the end - it would possible build a case that Covid has been here for much longer than the official narrative depicts.

It also means there is no “Italian wave” of deaths coming - our population is already saturated with the illness and the disease has been working through the population for some time - and will continue to.

This thread, my own research, other threads, etc. have led me to believe 100% we’re being lied to. This isn’t the big deal they say it is.

originally posted by: rikgrimsby
a reply to: Hecate666


I called this out on the 10th of march on my podcast. People are losing their minds and believing what they hear from the media and their governments. Society is being manipulated and gaslighting all the way through this. It's scary how its all happened, but as I've said I think we will be out of lockdown (in the UK) around the end of April mid-May time... End of May at the very latest. I'm more worried what's to come in 5/10 years' time.

I have the feeling we might be out earlier.
If Sweden and Holland can do it, I trust the Brits eventually to pull themselves together too. After all we voted for Brexit.
We need to get back to normal NOW and make sure we cater for the elderly, frail and sick. For the rest it will be fine even if they catch it. Has nobody ever had a bad flu before? We can still save a lot if we turn this round NOW.

All this talk about surveillance and punishments and vaccines, that needs to be nipped in the bud, can we do it?
I don't know. I just know that I'm not playing. I have not done anything wrong, I will be responsible etc but I am not playing slave and hand over the right of my body to any state.

If that happens I fly to Wuhan and inhale the air outlet of a BIo4 lab to get this thing and get it over with. Like soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frigging many other people.

I hope common sense will prevail in the end. Also one good thing is that the idiot EU won't be any longer after this. Italy already wants out.

Going out today, in the car and shopping. "Breaking the law, breaking the law..."

originally posted by: buddha
Plaese can you tel me ware you go the numbers for for this,
"Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales:
factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure tops 600,000."
from what you said

as they say this!
"Seasonal flu death estimate increases worldwide" 650,000
sorry!

Exactly.

Covid is basically a bad flu once you get under the hood. Very few people who are “otherwise healthy” die from the flu. Some do, however.

Very few people who are otherwise healthy die from The Vid. But a few do..

Largely, people with pre-existing conditions and the elderly die of the flu.

Largely, people with pre-existing conditions and the elderly die from Covid.

See where I’m going with this?

I’ll admit if I’m wrong - and time will tell - but those of you who freaked out and bought the narrative will be on the wrong side of history. This is an artificial crisis and you’re playing straight into it.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

he said there would be "some overlap" between coronavirus deaths and expected deaths -

Falling in the 85+ age bracket in the US gives you an expected 14% mortality rate for this year. That's just total expectancy -- not COVID-19. I imagine the COVID-19 mortality is quite high in this group, all the more so because those people are likely to have several underlying conditions as co-morbidity factors.
But we shouldn't talk about co-morbidities because we're trying to terrify Susan that her kids are in immediate peril, even though they have 99.9% rate of recovery even without co-morbidities. It is safer than the flu for her kids. If you're under 55, you've got at least a 99.8% chance of recovery -- and that's using confirmed cases and ignoring the 4-20 times number of asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic which have not qualified for testing, so the mortality rate is probably an order of magnitude lower.
We're victims of a terror campaign that's collapsed the economy.

Bingo! Nailed it. Do your favorite end-zone dance.

What’s it going to take for people to wake up and understand this? How royally F’ed do we have to get collectively?

Anyone here remember Podesta’s “compliant citizenry” comment? You’re getting played people.

If you can read all of the threads on this board alone that get into the underlying data, observations, hyperbolic and factually inaccurate reporting, scaling and more and still not question what’s happening No one can help you.

And unfortunately, those of us who see this for what it is have to go down with the ship - they used your fear to lock down our country so we can’t leave.

The vid makes 9/11 about as minuscule as a Taco Bell getting robbed for register cash early on a Saturday morning.

And as the data continues to show that... those who bought the narrative double down. Amazing.

a reply to: Hecate666

What I find that pisses me off is people wearing rubber gloves just throw them in the streets. (not all ppl that wear them). I personally know someone that is young fit and healthy but sucked into the government and media bull#. They will not even leave their house (apart from to go into the garden) and if they do they've said they will be wearing a mask. It's sad to see people's critical thinking gone. I think they should teach critacil thinking in schools lol.

I think for those saying "the people are just following the media blindly" we should step back and think how else do the vast majority live and obtain their news? It isn't really the people's fault here. There are few independant trustworthy media sources anymore, the BBC have been shown to lie before so have many other outlets, but what is joe public supposed to do or believe? Not everyone has the capacity to research and dig deeper and not many want to. Many trust their Governments and the news sources to have their best interests at heart and probably that's the biggest lie of all.

The thing is, with the omission on the Italian FNMO site about the doctors deaths and the scrubbing of pages on the BBC, if they are capable of one lie they are capable of many more. Its not the blatant "fake news" and social media rubbish we should be worried about but the sneaky subtle lies which go unoticed for the most part.

No-one can come up with a decent hypothesis as to the why this is happening the way it is, probably because we are all too distracted and shell shocked with the changing narrative each morning we get up, and the latest doom & gloom. Most are torn between protecting themselves & their family and wanting to know what the hell is going on!

originally posted by: ketsuko
They are apparently under orders to report any death where the person tests positive for COVID as a COVID death.

For example, the infant in Chicago who died and was listed as a COVID death? That's not conclusive at all. It had been in the hospital for four weeks prior with intestinal blockage and another very serious problem ongoing. Did COVID kill it or did it die of those other problems? They were doing an autopsy to try to determine that, but the headlines blamed COVID anyhow and that's what is listed.

There was the case of a 60-year-old man who suffered a fatal head injury from a fall at home. He died from head trauma, but because he tested positive for COVID, he got listed as a COVID death.

There is the case of the 17-year-old out in California that had it's own thread here. Recall the controversy about the urgent care having turned him away? They wanted to list him as a COVID death, but it later turned out he had extenuating circumstances and septic shock that had killed him. He was removed from the list of COVID deaths, but the mayor says he still considers that kid a COVID death "in his heart", or something.

There's Alabama where they keep two separate lists: one of deaths that are presumed to be COVID and one that are confirmed COVID. The second tally is lower. Guess which tally is used in the national aggregate sites? You'd be right if you guessed the first tally.

The first COVID death in the state of Kansas was a man who actually died of cardiac problems. They tested him for COVID posthumously because they noticed symptoms, and he turned up positive. So he is listed as a COVID death, but did the virus cause his cardiac trouble or was he going to have it anyhow? Did it kill him or the virus? Doesn't matter ... he's a COVID death because of his positive test.

Pertaining to the man with the head injury, why would they even test him for the virus??? Before or even after he died???

And since the flu numbers are way down while the covid numbers go up, it's pretty clear what's happening there...

originally posted by: rikgrimsby
a reply to: Hecate666

What I find that pisses me off is people wearing rubber gloves just throw them in the streets. (not all ppl that wear them). I personally know someone that is young fit and healthy but sucked into the government and media bull#. They will not even leave their house (apart from to go into the garden) and if they do they've said they will be wearing a mask. It's sad to see people's critical thinking gone. I think they should teach critacil thinking in schools lol.

I don't blame someone for not wanting to bring potentially contaminated gloves or masks into their homes...They need to stop wearing those things or accessible trash bins need to be placed around areas where these things are used...

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
I'm just gonna leave this here....

This was from 3 days ago, but yes only FOURTEEN people have died from Covid who had no underlying conditions. Why isn't that fact mentioned???

I have to say it's truly incredible how much animosity and spite people have displayed to me upon me showing these figures to them.

They will defend their own subversion to the death.

As far as I know, the virus itself does not directly cause death, however it does cause a fluid build-up in the lungs, which may cause pneumonia, which can cause death. It is a chain of maladies which ultimately overwhelm the body's defenses.

Who writes death certificates? Who would be in charge of deciding what goes into the document?

I really don't know, but I think it is important.
If it's being completed by some government or shady institution, one may wonder if there's something behind it.
Now, if its being completed by doctors at hospitals, I think It's a bit presumptuous to assume we know better in determining the cause of Death.

I have read than in Iran, the health department had given the instruction to hospitals that only patients who had tested positive could be listed as Covid deaths. The problem there was that many patients who had matching symptoms were dying but hadn't been tested, so the death record was under reported.

Many countries are in fact calling deaths where the deceased tests positive for the virus after death, "complications due to covid 19", I haven't as yet found figures that support just a Covid 19 death alone without other underlying factors. The majority of deaths however appear to be pneumonia as primary with covid 19 listed as secondary complication

a reply to: Iscool

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Many countries are in fact calling deaths where the deceased tests positive for the virus after death, "complications due to covid 19", I haven't as yet found figures that support just a Covid 19 death alone without other underlying factors. The majority of deaths however appear to be pneumonia as primary with covid 19 listed as secondary complication

a reply to: Iscool

If only your logic was as contagious as the fear of this virus - we wouldn’t be in this situation if that were the case!