Was there a need to kill the world economy for this??????!!

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: PandaPrincess

If you account for population inflation; this is going to be much worse than 1930s

Unless a war comes and “saves” the day again

Saying that at this point is completely ridiculous. The vast majority of people will be able to go back to their jobs quickly when the lockdown is over.

If we stay locked down completely for 3-4 months, than maybe we could be looking at a depression, but I don't think there is any chance it will go on that long. Quite frankly if the government asks for that, I think people will rebel and they will not be able to even make that happen.

originally posted by: Anathros

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: Anathros

Or if you want a national economy again , like back when the dollar was strong , back when we made stuff here . Back when globalistS didn’t have us enslaved . Back when the worker meant more than the stockholder . Back when life made sense for the common man

It's a nice thought. The problem with the theory is our government injected a wasted 1.5 trillion into the market followed by a 2 trillion stimulus plan. Now there are talks of more trillion dollar stimulus packages being thrown into circulation.

That's a recipe for a total collapse and not an anti-globalist agenda to rebuild America and a make the dollar stronger. It just isn't.

No it isn't.

Your missing a giant data point. The united states is not the only country that is having to inflate / borrow money. Pretty much all of them are.

As long as every country is in massive debt, and they are all in similar shape, we won't have a problem. It's only when our debt gets more out of hand than others, and nobody is willing to buy our bonds any longer because other countries are more attractive.

a reply to: proximo


" I think people will rebel and they will not be able to even make that happen. "

REBEL Against Exactly WHAT > ? Illegal Authorities Edicts Concerning Americans Constitutional Rights ? Unless Martial Law is Declared by the POTUS , We are ALL FREE to Decide what to do about this Suspect " Crisis " Ourselves ........

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Anathros

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: Anathros

Or if you want a national economy again , like back when the dollar was strong , back when we made stuff here . Back when globalistS didn’t have us enslaved . Back when the worker meant more than the stockholder . Back when life made sense for the common man

It's a nice thought. The problem with the theory is our government injected a wasted 1.5 trillion into the market followed by a 2 trillion stimulus plan. Now there are talks of more trillion dollar stimulus packages being thrown into circulation.

That's a recipe for a total collapse and not an anti-globalist agenda to rebuild America and a make the dollar stronger. It just isn't.

No it isn't.

Your missing a giant data point. The united states is not the only country that is having to inflate / borrow money. Pretty much all of them are.

As long as every country is in massive debt, and they are all in similar shape, we won't have a problem. It's only when our debt gets more out of hand than others, and nobody is willing to buy our bonds any longer because other countries are more attractive.

"As long as every country is in massive debt?"

So is it more likely that this plays into a one world currency or a stronger American dollar? Asking for a friend.

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: rickymouse

Yea I agree with this too, but China, coulda done more, and someone has to be responsible for this, but speaking of politics, the lefties Will probably never blame China, their actions leading us to this pandemic.

China worked hard to keep it in their own country and cities. They were busy fighting a war, they were trying to stop it from being a world event when they figured out what it was. This virus may have been an escaped virus, or it may have been a natural virus that got into humans and turned into this. One person working at the food market is all that was needed to spread it. It may not have even originally come from China, it could have come from outside of their country.

China did not want to panic the world, if they had, and nothing happened outside their country, everyone would have been mad at them.

The reason this is a pandemic is because people are traveling all over the world, this would have been a local Chinese event thirty years ago. It is our stupid societies desires to go travel everywhere that caused this, the inability of us to be satisfied with just looking at a picture of things, the internet wound up boosting air travel because people were putting things on line and telling others how great it is over there. I thought it would be great to have a person just send a picture, instead it created a flying frenzy.

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: PandaPrincess

If you account for population inflation; this is going to be much worse than 1930s

Unless a war comes and “saves” the day again

Saying that at this point is completely ridiculous. The vast majority of people will be able to go back to their jobs quickly when the lockdown is over.

If we stay locked down completely for 3-4 months, than maybe we could be looking at a depression, but I don't think there is any chance it will go on that long. Quite frankly if the government asks for that, I think people will rebel and they will not be able to even make that happen.

Then why this....

www.politico.com...

a reply to: Anathros

No, I don't think I am. Imperialism has been the active form of globalism up until now. As imperialistic impulses have gotten footholds around the world for all those centuries, now that the globe is filled up pretty much the end game of imperialism is globalism and that is what we are seeing as the next phase.

We can even go back to the time of the Founding Fathers. There were among them who saw the continent spread out before them and envisioned the conquering of the whole thing. They and their descendents also saw the necessity of capturing the West Coast and taking it back from Russian colonies. Why? Because that was essential for the conquering of the Pacific. Those bases we have ringing the Pacific? Phillipines ans such? All part of that plan established a couple of centuries back.

Manifest Destiny. Even the University of California devised the building of it's campus in such a way so that the main street coming off the campus pointed directly at Asia as a symbol of the Manifest Destiny they believed in.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: proximo


" I think people will rebel and they will not be able to even make that happen. "

REBEL Against Exactly WHAT > ? Illegal Authorities Edicts Concerning Americans Constitutional Rights ? Unless Martial Law is Declared by the POTUS , We are ALL FREE to Decide what to do about this Suspect " Crisis " Ourselves ........

I don't think martial law will be declared at least not federally.

However it wouldn't surprise me if a few governors or mayors got overzealous threatening to lookup anybody violating a lock down.

All I am saying is if enough people refuse, the government does not have the power to stop it, and I don't think people are willing to be locked down 3 months, especially if the number of deaths is below 1,000 a day.

i hope to god this ends soon
it is killing me inside, it isnt about the not being able to socialise
its the being in a prison, not being able to exercise my brain, to interact, to live
not knowing whats going to happen with my job etc
my brain cant handle it

a reply to: rickymouse

Meh I dunno about that but I respect you opinion on the affair. From my point of view (been following the current event since January) I noticed allot of nefarious decisions being made. 🤷‍♂️ Good talk 👍

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: SeektoUnderstand
a reply to: PandaPrincess

If you account for population inflation; this is going to be much worse than 1930s

Unless a war comes and “saves” the day again

Saying that at this point is completely ridiculous. The vast majority of people will be able to go back to their jobs quickly when the lockdown is over.

If we stay locked down completely for 3-4 months, than maybe we could be looking at a depression, but I don't think there is any chance it will go on that long. Quite frankly if the government asks for that, I think people will rebel and they will not be able to even make that happen.

Then why this....

www.politico.com...

What I think that is about, is when they slow this virus down almost to nothing, they want the right to detain anybody that still has it and isolate them.

a reply to: Anathros



" If we decided to forfeit all of our debt, who would do business with us in the future? "

WHO Exactly is Proposing that Extreme Measure ? A Generally Obscure Question IMO .

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And it is much easier to recognize when others have been fooled that to recognize that we may have been also.

Terry McGuire

a reply to: PandaPrincess


I hear ya mama. This is a nightmare that just won't end.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

And it is much easier to recognize when others have been fooled that to recognize that we may have been also.

Terry McGuire

Nice quote! 🌟

On globalism and empirialism. I pulled these off wiki and that's pretty much my take on them. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Globalization or globalisation is the process of interaction and integration among people, companies, and governments worldwide. As a complex and multifaceted phenomenon, globalization is considered by some as a form of capitalist expansion which entails the integration of local and national economies into a global, unregulated market economy.


Imperialism is policy or ideology of extending a nation's rule over foreign nations, often by military force or by gaining political and economic control of other areas. Imperialism was both normal and common worldwide throughout recorded history, the earliest examples dating from the mid-third millennium BC, diminishing only in the late 20th century.

a reply to: Nickn3

Cuz this isn't drama enough?

originally posted by: Anathros

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Anathros

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: Anathros

Or if you want a national economy again , like back when the dollar was strong , back when we made stuff here . Back when globalistS didn’t have us enslaved . Back when the worker meant more than the stockholder . Back when life made sense for the common man

It's a nice thought. The problem with the theory is our government injected a wasted 1.5 trillion into the market followed by a 2 trillion stimulus plan. Now there are talks of more trillion dollar stimulus packages being thrown into circulation.

That's a recipe for a total collapse and not an anti-globalist agenda to rebuild America and a make the dollar stronger. It just isn't.

No it isn't.

Your missing a giant data point. The united states is not the only country that is having to inflate / borrow money. Pretty much all of them are.

As long as every country is in massive debt, and they are all in similar shape, we won't have a problem. It's only when our debt gets more out of hand than others, and nobody is willing to buy our bonds any longer because other countries are more attractive.

"As long as every country is in massive debt?"

So is it more likely that this plays into a one world currency or a stronger American dollar? Asking for a friend.

Every country is already in massive debt, this is just accelerating the speed of it's growth. That is the reason why or national debt has not mattered, because all first world nations have similar debt to GDP ratios.

If I had to guess I would not expect too much of a change in dollar strength, unless we get crazy with additional spending, like another 5 trillion or something.

Trust me the US government in no way shape or form wants to lose dollar dominance to the Chinese.

a reply to: Anathros
That's from personal experience Anathros. Personal Experience. And a larger number of times than I am willing to state.

For some people, no. The world economy is more important. So let's look at the numbers. Without instituting social distancing and closing businesses 3 separate models predicted roughly 2.2M people would die in the U.S. That's 5.5%. So using that as a guide, 385M people would die worldwide. 15% of patients require hospitalization so that's so an additional 665M people hospitalized. Every healthcare system in the world would collapse under those numbers. Without any controls 60-70% of people would be expected to contract COVID.

So 60-70% of your workforce would end up getting sick --- some more so than others --- but that would dramatically affect businesses ability to function. And once people see their coworkers getting sick and dying they'll stop coming to work. Or they will be unable to come to work in order to take care of sick family members. There would be no access to doctors or basic medicine and panic would quickly ensue.

What would THAT do to your global economy??

a reply to: jtma508

I thought they backtracked on all those models though.

Let me say this, the virus is scary but the world's reaction to it doesn't fit the threat it poses. I'm not a doctor or an economist. I have no PhDs and I'm probably not as intelligent as half of you. I'm a Joe Nobody. I just have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach that something larger is taking place and not knowing only makes it worse.