UA Anchorage releases the final report on WTC-7: Fires DID NOT cause the collapse

originally posted by: CrazyFox
a reply to: neutronflux

I do like to rant. Hulsey's report said it was not caused by fire, I pointed out a well evidenced thread that supported this theory. I am not theorizing on it being a typical controlled demolition. I am theorizing it being a nuclear controled demolition. I provided a thread that explained the theory better than my essential employee ass could hope too right now. All the OT I want yay. I replied to the op on his fantastic thread and provided a source that correlated to it right here on ats. I did not in any way shape or form mention anything about cutting steel planting explosives. I admitted I had investigated them but did not state they were my fancy only they were more credible than anything in the 911 commission.

Care to discuss controlled nuclear demolition reply.

I would think if it was controlled det... lets say 4 U hauls packed and parked in 4 corners to go off, or even other controlled det there would be a ton of signatures of that all over the place. You can't have something like controlled det without all those burning chemicals left behind.

So if it was controlled det how would that information be kept hidden unless so many agencies from city to state to federal were all working together to keep it hidden?

a reply to: samkent

Ah, thank you

Well that certainly explains how that would happen. I assume they operate on an external antenna providing higher total radiated power and bypassing the attenuating effects of the aluminum hull

Thanks again, perfect explanation

a reply to: Xtrozero

Makes sense to me

The problem with nuclear theory is the massive number of independent systems in place to dete t a nuclear detonation

From audio to counters for the specific decay products to (I believe) satellites that would see the fire ball

It is a shame what happened, but I'm starting to lean towards the official explanation. I didn't realise 5&6 suffered a similar date, and makes me wonder why it was left out of most theories

originally posted by: JBurns

Makes sense to me

The problem with nuclear theory is the massive number of independent systems in place to dete t a nuclear detonation

From audio to counters for the specific decay products to (I believe) satellites that would see the fire ball

It is a shame what happened, but I'm starting to lean towards the official explanation. I didn't realise 5&6 suffered a similar date, and makes me wonder why it was left out of most theories

WTC 7 is a mystery, but as I said before I just fall back to looking at the logistics it would take in any conspiracy and if that spirals out of control then that is enough for me to say nope it didn't happen that way.


Plus the funny part is there are dozens and dozens conspiracies out there and at best only one is correct...lol So for everyone willing to fall on their sword over their one chosen conspiracy then good luck on that...

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Xtrozero

Makes sense to me

The problem with nuclear theory is the massive number of independent systems in place to dete t a nuclear detonation

Could you imagine the radiation signature? They are so good at detecting it they can even tell what country actually made it by the signature.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You have those that claim “they” tunneled underground to set of a nuke in the bedrock? But afterwards, the bedrock was stable enough to build new towers? And the bases of the core columns of the original towers had to be cut from the foundations to be removed. Then you have the damage you should see in other buildings and the slurry wall. No seismic evidence. The collapse initiation of WTC 1 and WTC 2 shows no indication a shockwave started at the base and worked up?


I think the most ridiculous nuke theory is the nuke in the basement that bunt it’s way to the top like a fountain.

Then you have those that claim the WTC debris pile was kept red hot by radiation for three months. The radiation would have to be greater than Fukushima.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

_Hand drawn_ evidence from WTC5 floor connections, how many of these do we have from WTC7? Do you have any factual, material evidence on WTC7 floor connections?

From the video, audio, seismic, physical evidence show that over 600 charges actuated on every column the length of eight floors as the study suggests. No sparking or flashing at the face windows. No evidence of over 600 explosives detonating. With no possibility such a sophisticated CD system would survive being hit from the debris from the twin towers, and the fires that went unchecked for hours. And as pointed out, highly unlikely that over six hundred devices could be installed unnoticed. Especially in a building where rental space was a premium. Sorry. We are going to encroach on the office space your paying 100 dollars a square foot, and Suzy will have to mover her desk at the column so we can install explosives, detonators, and all this wire.

Didn't answer the question did you?
There is no factual, material evidence in regards of WTC7 floor connection failure is there? Not even 1(one) picture.

originally posted by: neutronflux

I think the most ridiculous nuke theory is the nuke in the basement that bunt it’s way to the top like a fountain.

Then you have those that claim the WTC debris pile was kept red hot by radiation for three months. The radiation would have to be greater than Fukushima.

My favorite was John Lear's holograph and lasers using alien technology .. I guess just as good as any other one...lol

a reply to: democracydemo

Quote where I ever made such a claim I had such pictures.

Now post one picture or video of a pyrotechnic actively cutting a WTC 7 column.

Here are some pictures of WTC Debris

Now circular cuts made by burning 3000 degree Fahrenheit thermite?

a reply to: democracydemo

Sorry logic eludes you.

There were floor connection failures and structural failures in WTC5 caused by fire / thermal stress. Is that a false statement.

WTC 5 was hit by falling tower debris. Is that a false statement.

Why would such failures be impossible in WTC7 floor connections and floor spans as claimed by Hulsey?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Oh yeah, I have always found that impressive

I don't know if its true or not, but I read they can even tell what reactor a specific material came from, the logistics on that...wow!

I'm with you on that, the problem with some conspiracies is that too many people would have to keep the secret and they just are not very good at it

Well that certainly explains how that would happen. I assume they operate on an external antenna providing higher total radiated power and bypassing the attenuating effects of the aluminum hull

a reply to: JBurns

As posted earlier AIRFONE system were mounted in seat back.. It was operated by GTE . Customers would use a credit card to unlock phone,

It was a trunked radio system using VHF frequencies to communicate with network of ground stations linked into landline telephone system

As you indicated cell phone operation from aircraft was problematic - at altitude multiple cell sites could be "seen"
by system. Also high speed meant would rapidly pass from one site to another causing problems with "hand off" from one site to other resulting in dropped calls

Only verified cell calls came from United 93 near end of flight - here aircraft was flying at altitude 8000 ft

Cell towers in this part of Pennsylvania are mounted on mountain ridges at elevation of 3000 ft ,, Also being in rural
are cell sites are larger with more power - this allowed calls to complete

a reply to: neutronflux

Another problem is radiation

The burst of radiation and neutrons would gave killed anyone in vicinity - even smallest of fielded nuclear devices, the WK54 Davy Crockett recoilless rifle using warheads of 10 or 20 ton nominal yields create lethal burst of radiation out to 400 meters ( 1/4 mile) Anyone in building, if detonated in basement, and those outside for a distance would have been killed

20 people in the building survived the collapse, 14 in Stairway B North Tower, 2 in underground shopping concourse , 2 Port Authority police officers trapped in debris and incredibly 2 people who rode the pile down who were in stairway and ejected outside

one story anyone questions or is unpatriotic, anyone who comes out against is immediately smeared/censored/dead. Easy peasy keeping them quiet how many foreign pic have you researched its as if the rest of the world knows something but if you mention it in America you are a commie terrorist. How many kept quiet about Tonkin Pearl Harbor etc? Secrets are easily kept if properly motivated. a reply to: Xtrozero

a reply to: CrazyFox

You

one story anyone questions or is unpatriotic,

Quote from the 9/11 forum here at ATS anyone being labeled unpatriotic?

Drama much?

anyone who comes out against is immediately smeared/censored/dead.

Architects and Engineers, Richard Gage, Dr Jones, Dr Wood make a profit and living from preaching conspiracy. And get plush speaking engagements. Recharged Gage is traveling and living large.

Create false martyrs much?

Easy peasy keeping them quiet

What’s this tread about again?

Ignore the irony of your statement and the topic of this thread much?

how many foreign pic have you researched its as if the rest of the world knows something but if you mention

Kookoo kookoo

One flew over the kookoo’s nest much?

How many kept quiet about Tonkin Pearl Harbor etc?

Something whole books and television shows are dedicated to?

Spread innuendo much?

Secrets are easily kept if properly motivated. a reply

The secrets you claim are secrets that you proclaim as being secrets while you post those secrets in a public forum?

Contradict much?

This OP is dying out a little, so I want to leave the group with with some thoughts on all of it.


1. Donald Rumsfeld might have been behind it all no matter how this all played out. He has always been that Darth Vader type of person.

2. 4 planes crashed and that was 19 people devoted to end their lives for their cause. I have spent years in the Middle East and this is the mentality of extremest over there. For many if they could kill 5 and they die then it is a win win for them. This is why we had so many suicide bombers.

3. If the planes hit and didn't take the towers down the end results would have been the same as in America was attacked, and we would have still played out the wars, so full collapse was not needed. Even Bin Laden was shocked...

4. If the US Goverment was behind it all, how the hell could they get 19 people to live here for years, friends to their neighbors, and still follow through in the end. They practiced over and over with one goal in mind for YEARS.

5. Much of what people argue about is like a group of people in a windowless room arguing the sky is different colors and all they need to do is step outside and look. 100 different reasons why the towers collapsed and 99 of them see the sky as some other color than blue.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Dark Vader

Darth. Darth Vader.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero

Dark Vader

Darth. Darth Vader.

Oops corrected...lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

Now your post is a perfect post.
Perfect and beautiful.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Xtrozero

Now your post is a perfect post.
Perfect and beautiful.

Thanks, but you are too damn quick for me to re-look at my post and correct it...lol