UA Anchorage releases the final report on WTC-7: Fires DID NOT cause the collapse

a reply to: neutronflux

By best measurements accelerate faster than acceleration by gravity.

You have the measurements to present and to prove this claim for faster than gravity acceleration?

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

By best measurements accelerate faster than acceleration by gravity.

You have the measurements to present and to prove this claim for faster than gravity acceleration?

The site that contains the measurements has been repeatedly linked to in my WTC posting on ATS. With information pertaining to the claim. It’s your fault if you repeatedly missed the linking and posting. It’s also mention on Metabunk and International Skeptics. Then you can try googling.

a reply to: neutronflux

Wunderbar! Since you're making me guess, only one advocate for this scenario comes to mind; Chris Mohr.

a reply to: democracydemo

I don’t think Chris Mohr was responsible for the measurements.

Why would you guess when you can research it. Or just read through forums other than conspiracy sites.

a reply to: neutronflux

Chris Mohr was the origin for your "faster than gravity" MYTH.

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

Chris Mohr was the origin for your "faster than gravity" MYTH.

Making stuff up? Or you have an actual source to cite?

a reply to: neutronflux

Please observe the video above. It's Chris Mohr.

a reply to: democracydemo

So, you have no idea what Chris Mohr Actually said? Your just going of what a truth said Chris Mohr said?

a reply to: democracydemo

More here....

WTC7: Determining the Accelerations involved - Methods and Accuracy

www.metabunk.org...-228271

By Oystein

Post 3

www.metabunk.org...-228271

The research that econ41 refers to (I'll drop screen names: femr2, achimspok, Major_Tom)
a) has refined the measuring techniques to derive far more, and far more precise (key-word: sub-pixel precision), data points from video
b) has thought a great deal more about fitting and smoothing algorithms - key-word: Savitzky–Golay filter
c) found short intervals of >g acceleration
d) and yet it still failed to determine error margins sufficiently to make a robust statement of whether or not this >g episode was real, or a potential artefact of the algorithms used.

What can be said with some confidence is that some point(s) on a part of the building (the north wall roofline) descended at an average acceleration that is equivalent to g during a brief interval that may have been in the vicinity of 2 seconds, during which a vertical descent of roughly 8 stories occurred

a reply to: democracydemo

More here

By Oystein

Post 39

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I said that everybody who ever measured the fall arrived at the conclusion that there was an average acceleration =g for some time interval, and that this time interval was something like 2 seconds (60 frames).

I said that this makes me confident that for SOME point, an average of =g for SOME time interval is real.

That's then my starting assumption for the next step of the argument - I assume SOME time interval a average acceleration =g.

With me so far?

Ok, here comes the next step:

We know that the the observed point never was in actual free fall - it was always connected to a solid assembly and thus subject to numerous force up and down and left and right in addition to gravity. Right?
We know that acceleration changed before and after the time interval in question. Right?
It is thus unlikely that acceleration was constant during the time interval that averaged g. Agreed?
Now, if, during that time interval, acceleration was g during at least one other finite subinterval.
Therefore, it is unlikely that >g did not occur - assuming that an average =g was real, as ALL who have measured the descent agree upon.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jchristopher5

You

What we can say is that this is real scientific study, not someone’s opinion.

Really?

Might want to look at this?

UAF WTC 7 Evaluation Simulation Plausibility Check (Leroy Hulsey, AE911Truth)

You

The data was made available for peer review.

Might look who “peer” reviewed the study and tell us who they are. They were individuals tied to the truth movement. With being biased. The paper was not peer reviewed by impartial individuals with experience in forensic engineering.

The are reports of the comments from the public questioning period being totally ignored and not addressed.

You

You can disagree, but no longer can someone be called a “crazy conspiracy theorist”

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Richard Gauge at this point right out lies.

Hulsey presents research arguing WTC7 not brought down by fires/University of Alaska

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By Oystein

www.internationalskeptics.com...

Nope, not really.
You might think different if you gullibly believed every word Richard Gage says, who recently flew to tropical Acapulco to spread his lies, where he was interviewed by some sycophant propagandist:

YT: NEW 911 Report By UAF DESTROYS Official Narrative On Collapse Of Building 7!!!
uploaded yesterday, 2020/02/19, it apparently took place between Feb 13 and 16

The title of the video is a lie, to start with: The report (final release) cannot "destroy" anything because it does not yet exist, and the draft isn't "new".

Gage fires of an incredibly fast scatter-shooting of lies, start at 1 min 33 seconds:

Originally Posted by Richard Gage lies
“If uh Building 7 could come down at freefall acceleration[1], straight down, uniformly[2], symmetrically[3], into its own footprint[4] in under seven seconds[5] just like the old hotels in Las Vegas, which are controlled demolitions, then we have a problem[6] with how these similarly designed, hundreds of them, buildings[7] could behave in an office fire. And these were not huge office fires[8]. They were relatively small[9], few and scattered[10] in this building.[2:00]“


10 lies in 27 seconds. WOW! I hilighted the lies. He speaks the truth about Vegas demolitions. That's it.

The study totally ignores:

The detectable shaking of WTC 7 before collapse.

The penthouse did not just stop a few floors down.

The WTC 7 underwent a total interior collapse before the facade began to move.

The most accurate measurements of the facade collapse has it accelerating for a shot time at a rate faster than free fall, which would be only possible if it was placed under tension due to an interior collapse.

The study ignored actual fire loading and fires on other floors.

There is no physical evidence of a namable event that matches the studies conclusion that every column over an eight floor span had an event that made the columns spontaneously and instantaneously lose support. Something along the lines of 600 devices if the study is to believed. And that is not taking into account kicker charges to misalign the columns.

Hulsey’s model also is missing key components of the WTC 7 collapse as recorded/seen on video.

The Hulsey paper is based on false assumptions, ignoring video evidence before and during collapse, with no observable event that matches/explains what triggered the paper’s conclusion, and solely a biased AE paid for piece of propaganda.

A total interior collapse?? Why in the world would that have happened?? It suffered minor, superficial damage before completely collapsing in on itself. The clearest controlled demolition Ive ever saw. BBC reported its collapse before it even collapsed.

Of course they didn’t. It is ridiculous to think they did.

There have only been three skyscrapers to collapse due to structural fire. All three in NYC during the “attacks”

And yet, only two planes hit. So even if that somehow explained the other two, 7 makes no sense. And how come most people don’t even know 7 existed?

Sounds like more lies peddled by the US government designed to control the population through fear. And boy did it work. Even tricked us into 20 years of war and enriching the ruling class

ENOUGH with the BS lies and wars. I only hope the population works from within to derail any future war efforts

It isn’t the country that’s a problem, it’s the population and especially elected critters

a reply to: JBurns

There have only been three skyscrapers to collapse due to structural fire.

Brazil highrise fire causes building to collapse
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Tehran fire: Many feared dead as high-rise collapses - BBC News
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Occupied buildings collapsed from maintenance neglect. No cut columns. Building not prepared for demolition. Path through greatest resistance?

Video shows South Florida building collapse
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a reply to: neutronflux

Looks like I was wrong

Still, no more needless wars. If we wouldn't have invaded Iraq, nothing would be different today save for the numerous lives of our soldiers.

If it isn't worth dropping nukes, it isn't worth fighting a war

Like the murder of JFK, why are facts surrounding 9/11 classified?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

I would think that depends on if such impacts removed vertical columns and caused load redistribution. Or took out floor connections providing latter support for vertical columns.

All CORE WTC 7 columns remained intact despite the debris impact from WTC 1. Thus NIST had to apply "fire-induced progressive collapse" conclusion.

That makes sense since there is zero evidence the WTC was brought down by planted pyrotechnics.

What now?

What you mean when you say there is no evidence. Should we disregard all the fire studies about the collapse, which failed to consider the freefall problem?

What do you make of the problems and errors shown in the NIST report? How do you define freefall in relation to the collapse of a building?

originally posted by: Jchristopher5
What we can say is that this is real scientific study, not someone’s opinion. The data was made available for peer review. You can disagree, but no longer can someone be called a “crazy conspiracy theorist” for having the opinion that the official story is a lie. In fact, this opinion is significantly bolstered by this UA Anchorage report.

Rise up “truthers”! Tell everyone you know.

The Nation isn't ready to commit a mass scale Boston Tea Party on the government.

As "they've" been able to constantly postpone this announcement. Even attempting to anonymously create plagues, start WW3, starve the people... list is long... preparing for the inevitable shift, raked in billions via big pharma, self-driving vehicles, weaponized drones. Putting heaps of fentanyl on the streets. 5g+camera phones to every swinging pecker and flabby tit that'll accept them. Their scientists have been developing tech that locks the people down, with 1984-esque focus and surveillance.

Extremely lower IQ levels in the kids ... in our future

While all we can do is argue about the weather...

Right now... the top priority should be taking advantage of "the Golden age of information"... it will disappear soon. Reprimanded. The art, literature, knowledge will be stripped like what Mao did. They'll have to.

We must trigger another dustbowl. And nuclear war.... there's no other options.

To rebuild a city...
One must first destroy the old one...