Data Will Expose the Covid Conspiracy

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

when 1/3 of the infected that need hospitalization and are met with a blanket on the floor and a waiting list, we will see what happened in Italy and Spain.

Spain had one of Europe's best healthcare systems. Underfunded and over worked like hell but still very competent and vanguard. They are a mess today as we discuss this.

If we keep infection at pace with capacity then we win. If we all get sick at the same time and 1/3 of our population needs help we are going to lose more than just some "old folks".

Its also still very callous to let die when it could be avoided.

You can measure a society by how they treat the weak and disenfranchised.

We should value the lives and experience of our elders. Even if it was just their well being we were talking about. Its not. We all have a dog in this fight.

Ya’ know, I realize my stance is unpopular here these days so since my flame suit is on I’ll add this.

In many ways, the arguments made here for the virus are no different than those who want gun control after school shootings.

Plays out like this - a child (or children) end up tragically killed. That is 100% tragic and saddening and unless you’re a seriously troubled human you should see it that way.

But then what happens?

A mother makes it her life’s mission to rid the world of firearms. Needs something to blame. So she does exactly that - completely ignorant that guns don’t kill people - people kill people.

For fear of being viewed as complete cold/dark/unkind/satan, people support said moms cause - social pressure to do so. If you aren’t for gun control, you’re for killing innocent children - right? That’s the narrative at least...

Same logic applies here when I hear the “there’s 25k families that would disagree with you” because they lost a loved on from Covid. Ok. Well there’s 50k families in the US who are grieving every week - but that’s ok?

The retort then is “well you just don’t get it - this is different”. Really?

Same movie in a different theatre people.

Do your multiple weeks inside for the greater good, practice good hygiene and take your vitamins/eat well/get some rest and exercise and get back to life.

While you’re doing that - follow the money - you’ll sleep better knowing this is blown way way out of proportion.

Good interview with a Stanford University Professor (Medical) explaining how the data is inaccurate (over stating the infections / deaths).

Yeah, the interview is with Ben Shapiro which might trigger some of you, but actually listen to the doctor and his explanations. Focus on the facts / logic.

Since the beginning I've stated the data is not adding up to the hysteria. I don't doubt that Covid is nasty, but at the same time, it doesn't appear to affect as many people as projected. I suspect millions have already had it.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Do it for the children!

originally posted by: Edumakated
Good interview with a Stanford University Professor (Medical) explaining how the data is inaccurate (over stating the infections / deaths).

Yeah, the interview is with Ben Shapiro which might trigger some of you, but actually listen to the doctor and his explanations. Focus on the facts / logic.

Since the beginning I've stated the data is not adding up to the hysteria. I don't doubt that Covid is nasty, but at the same time, it doesn't appear to affect as many people as projected. I suspect millions have already had it.

Bingo - you posted this before I could.

Nailed it.

Eventually "under oath" depositions from hundreds of "eye witness" people will get the truth exposed 😈

To the point of Italy inflating numbers - here you go:

Prof. Walter Ricciardi, scientific advisor to Italy's minister of health said, and I quote, "The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus. ... On re-evaluation by the NIH," he says, "only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88% of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many two or three."

www.mediamatters.org...

This is going widely unreported.

Time to start thinking people. Question the methodology.

Remember you’re not supposed to take ibuprofen? Doesn’t seem like it is actually that big of deal...

www.npr.org...

Speaking of data...

I’m posting scaled data/cutting into the numbers and many here say “you don’t get it”. Many of you may appreciate this, but data is truly the ultimate currency. It’s the real deal. Better data = better results = more power = more money.

Big tech knows this and they’re cashing in while many are emotional - even on ATS. Here’s just one example:

www.modernhealthcare.com...

Data data data. Stop feeling and start calculating/questioning.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

They're not inflating them.

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.
“The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older - the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”

A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: HelloboysImbackguy
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
when 1/3 of the infected that need hospitalization and are met with a blanket on the floor and a waiting list, we will see what happened in Italy and Spain.
Spain had one of Europe's best healthcare systems. Underfunded and over worked like hell but still very competent and vanguard. They are a mess today as we discuss this.
If we keep infection at pace with capacity then we win. If we all get sick at the same time and 1/3 of our population needs help we are going to lose more than just some "old folks".
Its also still very callous to let die when it could be avoided.
You can measure a society by how they treat the weak and disenfranchised.
We should value the lives and experience of our elders. Even if it was just their well being we were talking about. Its not. We all have a dog in this fight.

You're assuming there aren't already millions of people infected with this disease - that's more than likely the case IMO.

Do you know anyone who has tried to be tested? I know two. Neither were given a test despite showing all the symptoms.

I bet there's 10s of millions infected - but we can't say that because the media has already turned this into a humanity-ending problem.

Like 9/11, the masses have given up their rights and bought the narrative hook, line and sinker. This is a cash grab and an opportunity to forward "an agenda."

Here's Rahm explaining this to all of you right to your face - yet no one gets the underlying tones:

www.foxnews.com...

His point there is building in massive social safety nets and shifting more power to the Governments of the world... has that ever happened in our society before? Yes. When? Post Great Depression, WW2, The Cold War, 9/11 - and that's just in the US.

Now, I don't like Rahm's politics but that guy IMO is probably the sharpest dude in the Dem party from a strategy standpoint - credit where it's due.

Gotta wake up folks - you're wetting your pants with fear and emotion while the people who get the data are exploiting this and you - and they're literally telling you to your face!

How do they accomplish this? They read the data and make plans while people freak out by being emotional - and they play on the emotional nature of most humans since most humans are highly irrational and exceptionally emotional.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Correct. So why are they wanting another 1000 hospital beds and causing fear amongst the populace?

They are preparing for the worst.

Imagine what people would say if they get hit hard and did run out of beds?
They would say why didn't you prepare for this by getting extra beds and equipment before it got bad

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: EnigmaChaser

They're not inflating them.

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.
“The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older - the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”

A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Yes, they are... they are coding deaths that aren't necessarily covid related as covid related.

It is like if you got into a horrible car accident. They bring you into the hospital half dead. They also find out you have Covid. You die... instead of saying you died in a car accident, they assume the death is because of Covid.

That is what is happening with the demographics in Italy. The average age is like 80 years old. The deceased often have two or three other serious morbidity issues. They also happen to have covid. In other words, most of the people are already pretty close to death. We can't say for sure even if regular flu would not have pushed them over the edge.

This is why data consistentcy and understanding assumptions is important before drawing any kind of conclusive conclusion.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Correct. So why are they wanting another 1000 hospital beds and causing fear amongst the populace?

They are preparing for the worst.
Imagine what people would say if they get hit hard and did run out of beds?
They would say why didn't you prepare for this by getting extra beds and equipment before it got bad

I'm not tone deaf to the preparedness argument. Politically, any politician who doesn't seem like they're doing "everything possible to save lives" is committing brand suicide - zero reelection chances.

Which is where my problem with that train of thought comes in... the message being relayed isn't "We need about 1000 extra beds just in case things really get back but we probably won't need them - this is just an abundance of caution."

The message is "We need 1000 beds right now at least because we're going to be overrun and can't handle all the sick/wounded/elderly and we must take action now!"

See the difference in those two messages? That's how you know this smells to high heaven.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
They're not inflating them.

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.
“The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older - the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”
A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Yes, they are... they are coding deaths that aren't necessarily covid related as covid related.
It is like if you got into a horrible car accident. They bring you into the hospital half dead. They also find out you have Covid. You die... instead of saying you died in a car accident, they assume the death is because of Covid.
That is what is happening with the demographics in Italy. The average age is like 80 years old. The deceased often have two or three other serious morbidity issues. They also happen to have covid. In other words, most of the people are already pretty close to death. We can't say for sure even if regular flu would not have pushed them over the edge.
This is why data consistentcy and understanding assumptions is important before drawing any kind of conclusive conclusion.

Edumakated is living up to his name... and just crushing it with actually thought/scaling/analysis. Thank you for helping be a voice of reason.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Wait until you see the DATA on Suicides caused by the Covid-19 overhyping and fearmongering.

originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
They updated the symptoms to include, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Im about 90% thats what i had in late December leading into the New Year. There are a lot that have already came to that conclusion much more will with these syptoms added. It was what was throwing me off. I had a fever for about 4 days, no sense of taste and couldn't keep even water down.

I'm glad you made a full recovery here.

Your story is much like many others - mine personally as well as my family and some friends.

My suspicion is that this has been going around for a long time and it wasn't until China whiffed their initial response to it - and then took seriously draconian measures - that the rest of the world got stupid and did what we're doing now.

We knew about Covid early on:
thehill.com...

While the piece from The Hill is a hit-job on Trump, and mixes around dates to paint a narrative, the underlying information is that we knew about it, had been assessing impact and continued on - which in my view is/was the right course of action.

Once Europe hit the panic button though - followed by all of the bunk data out of Italy - we ended up here. Who sounded the alarms the fastest? Governors of WA, CA, NY, NJ.... and they all wanted Fed money.

Why do the Germans have such a low death rate? Well, there's lots of factors. But, one thing about Germans is they are really, really persnickety about data and the accuracy of their data. If they say a death is Covid related, it probably is. That means it's a much smaller problem then Italy is turning it into.

There's a ton of infected people out there - and the wildly overwhelming majority of people recover just like you/me/others have.

And yet they WON'T TEST MORE PEOPLE - why is that? It's not just because the CDC is incompetent.... You'd dramatically inflate the denominator - which would scale this problem wildly into the favor of it being a nothing-burger.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Believe what ever you want.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Wait until you see the DATA on Suicides caused by the Covid-19 overhyping and fearmongering.

You're 100% right.

www.ccn.com...

The "cure" is in fact worse than the problem. On many, many fronts.

originally posted by: EnigmaChaser

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
They're not inflating them.

According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics - the nation has the second oldest population worldwide - and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.
“The age of our patients in hospitals is substantially older - the median is 67, while in China it was 46,” Prof Ricciardi says. “So essentially the age distribution of our patients is squeezed to an older age and this is substantial in increasing the lethality.”
A study in JAMA this week found that almost 40 per cent of infections and 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Yes, they are... they are coding deaths that aren't necessarily covid related as covid related.
It is like if you got into a horrible car accident. They bring you into the hospital half dead. They also find out you have Covid. You die... instead of saying you died in a car accident, they assume the death is because of Covid.
That is what is happening with the demographics in Italy. The average age is like 80 years old. The deceased often have two or three other serious morbidity issues. They also happen to have covid. In other words, most of the people are already pretty close to death. We can't say for sure even if regular flu would not have pushed them over the edge.
This is why data consistentcy and understanding assumptions is important before drawing any kind of conclusive conclusion.

Edumakated is living up to his name... and just crushing it with actually thought/scaling/analysis. Thank you for helping be a voice of reason.

This is mass hysteria. People are too emotional and can't see things logically.

A big problem is that we have social media, two bit journalism, and a meme culture that can spread information at light speed. People are not accustomed to rational analyses. They want to be told something is good or bad. They don't question authority.

Unfortunately, because of this instant and viral communication we've created, it also makes it difficult for rational voices to be heard.

To be clear, I think Covid is a type of flu and it can be very nasty in SOME PEOPLE, particularly the elderly. We need to figure out why some people seem to get the brunt of it and others don't. However, I am not convinced it spreads anymore rapidly or differently from regular flu.

If Covid is a new strain, the big issue we face is that we cannot shut down the entire economy every freaking winter like this. We just have to adapt and accept that some people are at risk.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
Believe what ever you want.

As we all can - yourself included.

The difference is you appear to have belief, I and rely on data/scaling/analysis. I don't have to "believe" anything.

For many, without digging in and finding other data sources - all you're going to have is "belief":
Navy withholding data:
www.sandiegouniontribune.com... erfront
Broader armed forces:
taskandpurpose.com...

There are many other examples on "The Google Machine" about locking down data around Covid.

From my read of what's out there - it's not because it's so bad they won't tell us - it's because the reality doesn't fit with the current narrative you're living under - and wouldn't feed Fed money to states.

Never forget the phrase "out of an abundance of caution." Those words upended the lives of countless millions.