Very Good News

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: fencesitter85

The CDC wants us to believe the virus comes from animals.

How in the hell do we believe that when animals can't even get it?

But just trust the scientific community because they know what
they're doing? They couldn't possibly know what they're doing and
be pert of an agenda.

Reports have come out showing both dogs and cats have gotten it. How reliable those reports are is of course up for debate in these times.

im sorry but can you point out where "dogs and cats have gotten it" was backed up by over 300 cases like those that have had POSITIVE EFFECTS on the drug treatment ?

where they are doing further studies on "dog and cats getting it" like they are doing on the POSSIBLE effects of these drugs on people?

not only is your example pathetic, but not even remotely logical by any standard outside of denial.

scrounger

I never said anything like your hyperbolic response would indicate. How is pointing out reports are now emerging that both dogs and cats have the virus "pathetic"? In addition to mentioning that all reporting on such stories is debatable.
Perhaps you need to take a deep breath and go upstairs and get some of moms cookies?

originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
a reply to: Serdgiam

Yeah, the yelling gets annoying, doesn't it? It's like everyone is drinking way too much squirrel oil.

But, it's to be expected. We've been so divided you could pull up a fire truck in front of a group of people and they would argue what color it is.

It's burgundy obviously. Duh. Sheesh.

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: fencesitter85

The CDC wants us to believe the virus comes from animals.

How in the hell do we believe that when animals can't even get it?

But just trust the scientific community because they know what
they're doing? They couldn't possibly know what they're doing and
be pert of an agenda.

Reports have come out showing both dogs and cats have gotten it. How reliable those reports are is of course up for debate in these times.

im sorry but can you point out where "dogs and cats have gotten it" was backed up by over 300 cases like those that have had POSITIVE EFFECTS on the drug treatment ?

where they are doing further studies on "dog and cats getting it" like they are doing on the POSSIBLE effects of these drugs on people?

not only is your example pathetic, but not even remotely logical by any standard outside of denial.

scrounger

I never said anything like your hyperbolic response would indicate. How is pointing out reports are now emerging that both dogs and cats have the virus "pathetic"? In addition to mentioning that all reporting on such stories is debatable.
Perhaps you need to take a deep breath and go upstairs and get some of moms cookies?

did you not say about reports of dogs and cats?

if you forgot i directly quoted you in my reply and did so again here?

but somehow you didnt say what you said?

man if you gonna try to backtrack you may want to read what was quoted from your own comment before replying...

post less foolish that way

scrounger

You're all still arguing about this? Its promising news, how does that sound? Is that better?

a reply to: AutomateThis1

Yeah, I know that, but tell that to the mauve contingent.

originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
a reply to: AutomateThis1

Yeah, I know that, but tell that to the mauve contingent.

It's obvious to me "The mauve contingent" would hook a neg lead up
to the positive post on their car battery and fry the whole system.

originally posted by: carsforkids

originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
a reply to: AutomateThis1

Yeah, I know that, but tell that to the mauve contingent.

It's obvious to me "The mauve contingent" would hook a neg lead up
to the positive post on their car battery and fry the whole system.

Hahaha, yeah. It's a tough life for the colorblind mechanic or electrician

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: underwerks

Hey take it easy now. As far as I know you can only get Chloroquine, (unless you have fish with malaria???) Azithromycin (again you can order this online for your fish if they have a fever and a cough) and Zinc Sulfate (no idea what this is or where to get it) Unless you have a prescription. If people are really going to try and self medicate with fish meds...then I guess you get what you pay for.

An inorganic compound en.m.wikipedia.org...
Dr. Wong carries zinc citrate. His formulation has a high level of elemental zinc and is more “ bioavailable”. In fact we are using it now but it’s back ordered due to high demand drwongsessentials.com...
And while we are on the subject m.youtube.com...

Oh look, another person who has the answer. Thank God.

Colorado, why so snarky ? I was actually answering that poster’s question about zinc. Would you rather just wait for the vaccine whine enjoying your social distancing ? I am definitely for as natural means as possible. Maybe your problem with my post is that Dr. Wong isn’t trashing our President.
What answers do you have? Oh bush wait fir the vaccine... enjoy the he$$ Bill Gates has made for you.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

dont be so surprised at the lengths TDS take to justify their rantings.

hell the fact they are using some ignorant person who takes FISH TANK CLEANER (btw gives a WARNING on use label) because he thinks one SMALL ingredient is similar to a medicine being TESTED for use on patients of Corvid19 is who they use to say trump is bad should say it all

scrounger

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: ColoradoJens

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: lostsock
a reply to: underwerks

Hey take it easy now. As far as I know you can only get Chloroquine, (unless you have fish with malaria???) Azithromycin (again you can order this online for your fish if they have a fever and a cough) and Zinc Sulfate (no idea what this is or where to get it) Unless you have a prescription. If people are really going to try and self medicate with fish meds...then I guess you get what you pay for.

An inorganic compound en.m.wikipedia.org...
Dr. Wong carries zinc citrate. His formulation has a high level of elemental zinc and is more “ bioavailable”. In fact we are using it now but it’s back ordered due to high demand drwongsessentials.com...
And while we are on the subject m.youtube.com...

Oh look, another person who has the answer. Thank God.

Colorado, why so snarky ? I was actually answering that poster’s question about zinc. Would you rather just wait for the vaccine whine enjoying your social distancing ? I am definitely for as natural means as possible. Maybe your problem with my post is that Dr. Wong isn’t trashing our President.
What answers do you have? Oh bush wait fir the vaccine... enjoy the he$$ Bill Gates has made for you.

Hey Third eye, long time no see. I appreciate you responding. I haven't been here in a while so forgive me for my snar
kiness. I have a proclivity to get angry at cure threads. My point is you know no more than I. No one should pretend to know what is right

Hi Scrounger , just seen it on our main news channel BBC in the UK that they are today starting testing hydroxychloroquine on patients , So will be interesting to see the outcome .

originally posted by: themove1904
Hi Scrounger , just seen it on our main news channel BBC in the UK that they are today starting testing hydroxychloroquine on patients , So will be interesting to see the outcome .

Likely useless unless they are actually including the active ingredient responsible for the success of the treatment - zinc.

Does it say anywhere what they are actually using?

Good News everyone. Very Good News.

“And every day there will be multiplications,” he continued. “You look at your toilet paper and you think I’m going to run out of toilet paper, but you have another roll where that one was and you don’t know how did that even take place.”

source

originally posted by: Android86
The Office of Emergency Managment had this to say.

Continued

Wow... not one thing criticizing what he is actually doing - saving lives, quickly, and without utilizing hospital resources.

Typical AMA knee-jerk response.

You go, Dr. Zelenko!

originally posted by: Android86
Good g-d - anti-malaria drugs to combat viral hepatitis, I've heard it all now!

Again... it isn't the chloraquine that is doing the heavy lifting, it is the zinc.

originally posted by: RudeMarine
a reply to: IncessantOptimist

Anti-biotics cure BACTERIAL INFECTIONS, NOT VIRAL ONES. Azithromycin is an antibiotic and would do nothing good against this so called Chinese virus and may even weaken your immune system more.

So, you didn't actually read the OP... well, maybe you shouldn't comment before doing that, it keeps you from looking dumb.

The z-pack is to manage any bacterial infections that result from the viral infection - happens all the time.

The Malaria drug could work in theory but until an expert virologist who has seen it kill it in a lab and humans comes out and says yes it works I will not be convinced.

No worries, since it isn't the malaria drug (hydroxychloraquine) that is doing the heavy lifting - it is the zinc.

I think Trump was right in the beginning, that this is a Hoax, especially when the swine flu hit during Obama's tenure. That killed 26 thousand people and nothing drastic was done. The Vaccine for that kept my grandmother in a wheel chair for a year so they can go stuff their so called vaccines, especially when they are paying pharmacist 20 dollars for ever person they convince to take it!!!!!

I wont be taking anything anyway because I have never had the flu shot and I know I wont till I see people around me getting sicker than the common flu.

On that we agree... I'm taking lots of Vitamin C (to bowel tolerance), extra D3+K2, selenium, magnesium and zinc... the wife (as much as I can get her to), and the kids too... we'll be fine. I'm just worried about what tptb have in store, and whether Trump will let them get away with it (or maybe he is in on it)...

trump just announced 6 million doses of hydroxy going to hospitals.
It would seem the treatment has positive results.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Zinc is the key to the fantastic results Dr. Zelenko is getting. The hydroxychloroquine is just a facilitator. I'll bet once they know how it facilitates getting the zinc into the cells, they could find much safer and more effective facilitators - and maybe even a better form of Zinc.

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment consists of 200 mg 2x daily hydroxychloroquine, 220 mg 1x daily zinc sulfate, and 500 mg 1x daily azithromycin. Which is respectively a zinc ionophore, a zinc compound, and an antibiotic. The treatment is extremely effective, but hydroxychloroquine should not be used by those who have a G6PDH deficiency, it has many adverse effects and is not available to everyone, zinc sulfate is often sold out and does not provide high amounts of zinc to the throat, and azithromycin has many adverse effects and is not available to everyone. Fortunately, there are widely available over the counter alternatives for each component.

Capsules or tablets have a more consistent amount of the desired compound than food. So when taking high doses, it is generally safer to use a supplement than a food. However, for people who can not get a supplement in time, or who are sensitive to a capsule ingredient, or who do not trust supplements, food alternatives are listed.

Two over the counter zinc ionophores are epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG) and quercetin. In a trial in Arizona by Sherry Chow, it was found that 800 mg of EGCG in one dose per day had side effects, but dividing it into two 400 mg doses per day reduced the side effects to below the placebo. In the trial with 8 people per group, the placebo group reported 9 events, the 800 mg in one dose group had 12 events, and the 400 mg * 2 doses group had 3 events. So it's reasonably safe to use 400 mg of EGCG twice per day. The recommended dose of quercetin is up to 2,300 mg/day, so along with each dose of EGCG, a 1,000 mg capsule of quercetin could be taken, for a total daily dose of 2 * 1,000 mg/dose = 2,000 mg.

Of those two zinc ionophores, it is only practical to obtain EGCG from food, no food has a large amount of quercetin. Green tea has a lot of EGCG, it is estimated that there is an average of 800 mg of EGCG in 12 cups of green tea. However, green tea also has around 25 mg of caffeine per 8 oz serving, typically about 1 / 4 of the typical coffee cup, so 12 cups of green tea has as much caffeine as 12 / 4 = 3 cups of coffee. Also, the amount of caffeine varies widely in tea, so the dose might be much higher. Supercritical fluid extraction with carbon dioxide removes the caffeine while leaving 95% of the other tea compounds. A couple of green teas decaffeinated with carbon dioxide are Arbor Teas organic decaf green tea, and Clipper organic decaf green tea. To get 400 mg of EGCG twice per day, take 6 cups of green tea twice per day, for a total of 12 cups of green tea per day.

Zinc sulfate is commonly in the form of zinc sulfate heptahydrate. The atomic weight of zinc is 65, the molar mass of zinc sulfate heptahydrate (ZnSO4(H20)7) is 288, so 220 mg of zinc sulfate heptahydrate has 65 / 288 * 220 mg = 50 mg of zinc. If zinc sulfate is sold out, search for "zinc capsule 50 mg", then look on the label to ensure that it is indeed 50 mg of elemental zinc, for example "zinc (from zinc picolinate) 50 mg". Zinc supplements are available with many ions, including citrate, gluconate, glycinate, orotate, and picolinate.

If you want to get zinc from food, only oysters have a high amount of zinc per calorie. Wild oysters have a lot of copper,, which reduces the absorption of zinc. So to absorb high doses of zinc, you need oysters with less copper, like farmed eastern oysters. To get 50 mg of zinc, you need 50 mg / 38 mg * 85 g (3 oz serving) = 112 g * 1 oz / 28 g = 4 oz of cooked farmed eastern oysters.

This post is public domain, anyone can share it. However, it is only meant to be used by people with common sense who understand medicine or nutrition.

Thank you very much for this RumannXylo! Quoted in full below because it is worth repeating...

Very informative, and definitely worthy of an in-depth study by the yet-to-be-if-ever-founded NINH (National Institute of Natural Health)!

originally posted by: RumannXylo
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment consists of 200 mg 2x daily hydroxychloroquine, 220 mg 1x daily zinc sulfate, and 500 mg 1x daily azithromycin. Which is respectively a zinc ionophore, a zinc compound, and an antibiotic. The treatment is extremely effective, but hydroxychloroquine should not be used by those who have a G6PDH deficiency, it has many adverse effects and is not available to everyone, zinc sulfate is often sold out and does not provide high amounts of zinc to the throat, and azithromycin has many adverse effects and is not available to everyone. Fortunately, there are widely available over the counter alternatives for each component.

Capsules or tablets have a more consistent amount of the desired compound than food. So when taking high doses, it is generally safer to use a supplement than a food. However, for people who can not get a supplement in time, or who are sensitive to a capsule ingredient, or who do not trust supplements, food alternatives are listed.

Two over the counter zinc ionophores are epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG) and quercetin. In a trial in Arizona by Sherry Chow, it was found that 800 mg of EGCG in one dose per day had side effects, but dividing it into two 400 mg doses per day reduced the side effects to below the placebo. In the trial with 8 people per group, the placebo group reported 9 events, the 800 mg in one dose group had 12 events, and the 400 mg * 2 doses group had 3 events. So it's reasonably safe to use 400 mg of EGCG twice per day. The recommended dose of quercetin is up to 2,300 mg/day, so along with each dose of EGCG, a 1,000 mg capsule of quercetin could be taken, for a total daily dose of 2 * 1,000 mg/dose = 2,000 mg.

Of those two zinc ionophores, it is only practical to obtain EGCG from food, no food has a large amount of quercetin. Green tea has a lot of EGCG, it is estimated that there is an average of 800 mg of EGCG in 12 cups of green tea. However, green tea also has around 25 mg of caffeine per 8 oz serving, typically about 1 / 4 of the typical coffee cup, so 12 cups of green tea has as much caffeine as 12 / 4 = 3 cups of coffee. Also, the amount of caffeine varies widely in tea, so the dose might be much higher. Supercritical fluid extraction with carbon dioxide removes the caffeine while leaving 95% of the other tea compounds. A couple of green teas decaffeinated with carbon dioxide are Arbor Teas organic decaf green tea, and Clipper organic decaf green tea. To get 400 mg of EGCG twice per day, take 6 cups of green tea twice per day, for a total of 12 cups of green tea per day.

Zinc sulfate is commonly in the form of zinc sulfate heptahydrate. The atomic weight of zinc is 65, the molar mass of zinc sulfate heptahydrate (ZnSO4(H20)7) is 288, so 220 mg of zinc sulfate heptahydrate has 65 / 288 * 220 mg = 50 mg of zinc. If zinc sulfate is sold out, search for "zinc capsule 50 mg", then look on the label to ensure that it is indeed 50 mg of elemental zinc, for example "zinc (from zinc picolinate) 50 mg". Zinc supplements are available with many ions, including citrate, gluconate, glycinate, orotate, and picolinate.

If you want to get zinc from food, only oysters have a high amount of zinc per calorie. Wild oysters have a lot of copper,, which reduces the absorption of zinc. So to absorb high doses of zinc, you need oysters with less copper, like farmed eastern oysters. To get 50 mg of zinc, you need 50 mg / 38 mg * 85 g (3 oz serving) = 112 g * 1 oz / 28 g = 4 oz of cooked farmed eastern oysters.

This post is public domain, anyone can share it. However, it is only meant to be used by people with common sense who understand medicine or nutrition.

originally posted by: Phage
Good News everyone. Very Good News.

“And every day there will be multiplications,” he continued. “You look at your toilet paper and you think I’m going to run out of toilet paper, but you have another roll where that one was and you don’t know how did that even take place.”

source

You guys have the toilet paper thing? I keep finding loafs of bread...

Currently setting up my outdoor pool because I'm running out of red wine...fingers crossed.

Peace