The Absolute Power of Christianity!

Here's an interesting find:

CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- When it comes to saving lives, God trumps doctors for many Americans.

More than half of randomly surveyed adults -- 57 percent -- said God's intervention could save a family member even if physicians declared treatment would be futile. And nearly three-quarters said patients have a right to demand that treatment continue.

When asked to imagine their own relatives being gravely ill or injured, nearly 20 percent of doctors and other medical workers said God could reverse a hopeless outcome.

www.cnn.com...

The reason why I bring this up is often there is the misconception that believers in God refuse treament and instead pray for people who are dying. This article states the opposite. It says families ask doctors to continue even though "it is hopeless" according to them because God can work a miracle with everyone involved. In fact, there are many many medical testimonies (among others) whereas when people present did all they could do, a miracle did indeed happen. A lot of us equate a miracle to one being where people get better from their ailment or instantly recover from an injury. Although that is one miracle, it's certainly not the only one.

Quick Vote
Do you believe God's intervention could save a family member even if doctors say treatment would be futile?
Yes 60% 37429
No 40% 25072
Total Votes: 62501

CNN Poll from 08/19/08

[edit on 19-8-2008 by saint4God]

Miracles happen all over the world for people of all or no religions. Muslims might thank Allah, Christians thank the god of the old testament, mormons thank whatever they want to think... point is everyone THINKS their god is the only answer and everyone else is wrong. When you're in America being brainwashed as a child you'll probably grow up thinking it's true. If you're born into Islam you might think that you'll get tons of good sex when you die... IMO most religions are major frauds, especially the "God" of the old testament. Jesus was a good guy if he existed, but imagine if you weren't raised to believe the story - wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to you.

Something is out there that allows miracles to happen, but it isn't limited to jesus or christians by any means

Everyone talks about prayer helping and healing, and the people that believe in it will usually accept what they want to accept and deny what other studies show cause it goes against their beliefs. I think prayer can work personally in some cases, not because the power of "praying to god for help" but the power of the human spirit, which would better explain why miracles all over the world praying or not. The science of Cymatics may be able to figure out some of the "praying benefits", but other than that prayer doesn't help enough to prove it's existence as a benefit, unless you consider it meditation or relaxation time

Page about one of the studies, may have already been posted. Apparently those getting prayed for had more issues than those not getting prayed for, odd 0.o

www.slate.com...

Something in the news today I thought was relevant to the prior post and the thread topic.

More than half of all Americans believe they have been helped by a guardian angel in the course of their lives, according to a new poll by the Baylor University Institute for Studies of Religion. In a poll of 1700 respondents, 55% answered affirmatively to the statement, "I was protected from harm by a guardian angel." The responses defied standard class and denominational assumptions about religious belief;

Defied assumptions about religous belief...interestsing...

The guardian angel encounter figures were "the big shocker" in the report, says Christopher Bader, director of the Baylor survey that covered a range of religious issues, parts of which are being released Thursday in a book titled What Americans Really Believe. In the case of angels, however, the question is a little stronger than just belief. Says Bader, "If you ask whether people believe in guardian angels, a lot of people will say, 'sure.' But this is different. It's experiential. It means that lots of Americans are having these lived supernatural experiences."

What's interesting about the Baylor findings on guardian angel experiences is that they cross all boundaries.

"There is," he says, a "much broader uncharted range of religious experience among the populace than we expect."

www.time.com...

Add my name to the list.

I'd gotten an email on August 18th this year that read the following:

"I know that there are many suffering out there, but I wanted to let you
know that *********'s brother, who was recently diagnosed with what was
supposed to be early stages of Lymphoma cancer, was just given a second
opinion by Johns Hopkins over the weekend that he has an incurable form and they gave him one year without chemotherapy, three to five years with it. He is saved and trusts the Lord as his healer, and says that he will not get chemo because even if he does only have a year he'd rather live it well than be debilitated by chemo. Unfotunately, *****'s younger brother is not taking it well and saying that he hates God for doing this, etc. As background, ****** lost his sister to Lupus a few years back. So please keep their whole family in your prayers, they are like family to me now too."

I just got news last week that the cancer is in full remission and expect a total recovery. Local doctors and those at Johns Hopkins are puzzled and are doing the best they can to try to figure out how. It's indescribable when these things happen to people you know personally.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by saint4God]

Every now and then I come across a news article that embodies a Biblical principle. The one that wow'd me today was a great example of this verse:

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," - Matthew 5:43-44

The headine reads Forgive Mumbai attackers, victims' relative says

"A Virginia woman whose husband and daughter were gunned down in last week's terror attacks in India says the attackers should be forgiven.

"We must send them our love, forgiveness and compassion," Kia Scherr told reporters Tuesday of the Mumbai attackers, nine of whom were killed by Indian forces. "As Jesus Christ said long ago, they know not what they do."

www.cnn.com...

Could you imagine? Your family being killed and still being able to feel this way?


[edit on 4-12-2008 by saint4God]

I was pleasantly surprised to see a thread that condemned/denied God by saying He doesn't heal amputees turn into a forum of testimonies. For example:

He has just healed me of cancer after the oncologist told me that my treatment has failed, six months of drug treatment then a month of radiotherepy has not gotten rid of it.
So i had healing prayer from my daughter and her friend and i instantly knew that i had been healed, anyway, off i trot to the hospital for two body scans to decide the next course of action and the cancer is nowhere to be found.
The doctor was very surprised and can't understand it.

My wife now walks unaided after she was in a wheelchair with a degenerative back desease, they told her they could do nothing and just gave her pain killers.
Once again the power of prayer worked.

- www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=7648068#pid7648068

There's more scattered throughout the thread, but it did remind me of this conversation started some time ago.

[edit on 3-12-2009 by saint4God]

Interesting miracle here today:

"A Colorado woman says a Christmas miracle brought her and her newborn son back from the brink of death after her heart stopped beating during childbirth and the baby was delivered showing no signs of life.

...Minutes later he saw his son come to life in his arms under the feverish attention of doctors, and soon he learned his wife had inexplicably come back to life.

We did a thorough evaluation and can't find anything that explains why this happened," she said.

Mike Hermanstorfer credits "the hand of God."

"We are both believers ... but this right here, even a nonbeliever — you explain to me how this happened. There is no other explanation," he said." - www.foxnews.com...

Christianity is a false religion, that's why it's hemorrhaging converts.

Please pray for Haiti, they need every miracle they can get down there. Support however possible. I was very surprised that despite the dire situation, there are people still strong with hope and faith. Instead of blaming God for doing this to them, this man says "Jesus, my life is in your hands"

www.cnn.com...#/video/world/2010/01/15/candiotti.haiti.trapped.man.cnn?hpt=C1

its because its easier to control people through something that never changes and hasnt for 2000 years

Ooh, this is an amazing story. Being in healthcare diagnostics, I find this amazing:

"A three-year-old boy brought back from the dead after his heart stopped beating for three hours has told how he allegedly saw his great-grandmother in heaven.

The youngster - who is named only as Paul - claimed he met his relative and she sent him back to Earth. " from the ATS thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=8531238#pid8531238

[edit on 9-4-2010 by saint4God]

It's the same answer every time you ask. Will you get it this time? I think not. (By "you" I am referring to christians in general.)

Originally posted by Lilitu
It's the same answer every time you ask. Will you get it this time? I think not. (By "you" I am referring to christians in general.)

Thanks for the link, the poster named "JesusisTruth" had a rather interesting initial response. What was the question? Or what is not being gotten on this thread? Regarding athiests, I can somewhat understands since I was one step away from being one before becoming a believer. The title I'd assumed was "Aggressive Agnostic" because I didn't want to discount any possibilities without proof.

a reply to: riley

there once was a king who had a very pretty wife. One day, he had a great party, with lots of guests. As was the tradition, the women all gathered in a separate area than the men to be entertained by the queen. the king decided that he wanted to show off his pretty, sexy wife to his guest and ordered she come to him to dance. She refused him, she had her own guests to entertain and who knows, maybe she was watching one of those guests very carefully because their behavior was suspicious and she thought they might be swiping the silverware..
this angered the king a great deal, how dare she deny him.... he banished her and made a law stating that from that day on, women were to obey their husbands.
if this law was actually still being enforced, would paul have encouraged the women to break it??
another story, this one isn't in the bible, it wasn't accepted by the men who picked and chose among all the different writings which ones would be worthy to be included. some of the disciples, of which I believe paul was one, was traveling from town to town with a large number of groupies following behind, many of the women. they entered this one town and were met with a very angry mob of men who were sent on killing them....
because they were convinced that they would take their wives from them.

it's possible that the teachings of christ was just too revolutionary for the people of that time and that if the disciples hadn't taken a few steps back on it the the seeds that were planted would have never been allowed to take root and form the church. if the churches today would take this stance, I wouldn't have a problem with them, but it seems that when men speak for god and make these kinds of rules, they have this problem about saying they were wrong later. so they just gradually water it down and hope for the best. the churches still teach women's obedience, but they try to negate it with this well, men are told to love their wives as they love themselves..... never mind the many men and women who function on what is really more of a selfish love even for themselves. and even with a purer love, they can be telling women to do things that might rub the women's conscious the wrong way.

it would be better I think if they would just explain that it was the law of man that demanded obedient women, and the bible does insist that christians obey the laws of man. and it would take men loving their wives to convince them to not want that obedience. after all, that was what the whole shift from the old testament and the new was about... from obendience and punishment to love and forgiveness...

a reply to: junglejake

Malarkey. Christians are politicians who force their beliefs on others by making laws against women.