Stimulus check 2020, should the disabled get it

a reply to: wantsome

Actually the govt cheese... the actual cheese the govt will hand out to food pantries and such, or used to at least..
Was a hand out to the farmers who overproduced the milk. Instead of the farmers just dumping it out because they didnt want the oversupply bringing down the consumer price, the govt would buy it from them.

originally posted by: wantsome
Obviously you think government cheese is some kind of hand out.

This sure as **** is.

Unless you've been on the cheese I doubt you know what it's like. Everyone I know on the cheese has lost everything they had. My mom and aunt could definitely use the extra money.

Not sure what you're getting at but the inference sure seems to be that we should just give everyone the same amount of cash every week because.

My father died of cancer when I was in my early 30's, it was the 9th time he had it. He died with nothing even though he worked for the DoD for 20+ years. How much should he have gotten for losing the genetic lottery?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

How old were you? By any chance did your mom get survivors benefits for you and herself?

originally posted by: dawnstar
How old were you? By any chance did your mom get survivors benefits for you and herself?

33, and no, they were divorced.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Oh, I misread your post, sorry... thought you said your father was in his 30s.
I lost my dad when I was in jr. High. Social security survivors benefits and veterans benefits was a life line we needed at the time...
Bartenders at that time didnt make enough money to support the family, neither did the canning factory which is where most of the women seemed to work.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Security, Medicare, Medicaid, again no, as i explained to you time and time again. we the people have elected representatives and senators that voted for us to pass the bill/acts that created those programs for we the people.

in a socialist government the central government just does what it wants without any input from the people. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, are for the general welfare of the elderly, disabled or otherwise unable to care for themselves. like a child that whose parents have problems that keep them form taking care of them. i know this, cause of my little brother who is actually my cousin that my mother adopted when her sister became mentally unfit and able to work and take care of him and herself, and both got SSI until he was adopted. then he stopped receiving SSI and she kept on.
Obamacare is and was a criminal act / bill created by Obama and his Insurance buddies, which has/had a mandate to force people to buy insurance that they may not want. the mandate is not constitutional. now that the mandate penalty has been reduced to zero, it has been ruled unconstitutional by a Federal Appeals court, and waiting for the Supreme Court to rule.
plus, gruber admitted that Obama admin lied about it, and pelosy didn't have a clue, ( well she did, but stated that we got to pass the bill to find out whats in it)

Grubers Words,

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not."

socialistic forms of government own and control everything, well i can't say that is a exact truth. i can say there are many socialist political theories that have been tried and failed. also of those countries that have a socialist form of government most are not all that well.

I get the feeling we are being distracted with "free" money while they wreck a bunch of stuff. It scares me that there is so much bipartisan support. That only happens when we are getting royaly screwed.

America finally has an economy again and we are supposed to just sell it for a few grand. They are talking about breaking this up now where the second check goes out mid May. So everyone is just going to sit home for 8 weeks? Thats not going to work.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Security, Medicare, Medicaid, again no, as i explained to you time and time again. we the people have elected representatives and senators that voted for us to pass the bill/acts that created those programs for we the people.

Denmark is a socialist country.
Denmark's Government is elected by "the people".
Just because social programs are enacted by an elected government does not make them not socialist in nature.

It seems that because you seem to like these programs you don't want to refer to them as socialistic programs.

in a socialist government the central government just does what it wants without any input from the people.

This is false. As stated above. There are many socialist countries throughout the world with elected governments.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
Security, Medicare, Medicaid, again no, as i explained to you time and time again. we the people have elected representatives and senators that voted for us to pass the bill/acts that created those programs for we the people.

If you think Social Security and socialized medicine aren't socialistic then there's not much help for you in explaining what social economics actually looks like.

I wonder how many other 'conservatives' think socialized medicine and Social Security aren't socialism. Any takers?

a reply to: FauxMulder

It's amazing how many people love socialism when they enjoy the perceived benefit.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I think people confuse socialist stuff with straight up Mao communism.

a reply to: FauxMulder

Denmark is a socialist country.

this tells me you have no clue as to what your talking about, tell me where in the list of socialist political theories that a constitutional Monarchy qualifies as socialist.

denmark is not,

The Kingdom of Denmark is a constitutional Monarchy, with the Queen being Head of State. With the signing of its Constitution in 1849, absolute Monarchy was terminated, and a constitutional Monarchy established. Headquarters of its government and national parliament are in its capital, Copenhagen.
What Type Of Government Does Denmark Hav

just do a search and every link says the same. sorry.

in fact none of the of nordic states are. they do pay most of their income in taxes for government welfare programs though.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

You may want to follow your own advice and see which parties have been mainly in control since the 1920's.

Hint: They may be The centre-left Social Democrats who led a string of coalition governments for most of the second half of the 20th century, introducing the Nordic welfare model.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Here's the thing though..

If you look at your basic health insurance policy and compare it to medicare.. they are basically the same, many people putting their cash in a pot hoping the pot wont be empty when they need healthcare.
Insurance is socialistic by nature also! It's just being run by a profit driven corp instead of the elected govt.
So, in medicare, if we dont like the program, we can elect new people to write the rules of the program, those new people can opt to remove the top managers of the program if the public pressure gets strong enough. They decide how much those managers are paid, ect. The system is answerable to the people they serve.
None of which is true for the for profit system. They are answerable to the stockholders, who's biggest desire is more profit. They have boards of directors, not elected legislatures, and many serve on multiple boards. They decide how much CEOs and upper managers make and the customers have little power over that decision. They decide what they will cover and what they wont, and how much they will cover and you kind of have to just accept it or walk away. Heck, you might not even have much of a choice of which company you have to deal with, for most americans, it's their employer making that decision. You might decide to just boycott the industry, but, the govt already tried once to remove that option from you.
But. Healthcare is pretty much socialist now.. sorry if that upsets you but to be honest you wouldnt be getting the same quality of care, no matter how much money you had to spend if the govt hadn't used tax dollars to build it up.

a reply to: dawnstar

I'm not here to argue the merits of one program over another, I'm posting to show the illogic of the 'conservative' members thinking these proposed checks aren't socialistic.

It appears to be a lost cause as they can't even admit that social programs or socialistic countries are what they are, let alone this.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


their still a constitutional Monarchy, doesn't change that fact. and they still pay high income tax. and as you said before to another poster.

paraphrasing,
you don't know me bra, you have no idea what i support.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

I don't care what they call themselves. "Nordic model"

Universal healthcare.

Government paid education

Income tax of almost 55%

Those aren't socialist programs and ideals?

They are called a welfare state for a reason

Modern welfare states include Germany, France, Belgium, and the Netherlands, as well as the Nordic countries, which employ a system known as the Nordic model.

Traditionally, its underlying philosophy has been the socialistic ideal that the state has the responsibility to secure for everyone “the necessary material framework for living a reasonable life,” in the words of Denmark’s official website.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
their still a constitutional Monarchy, doesn't change that fact. and they still pay high income tax. and as you said before to another poster.

Yeah? And? They still have one of the most socialistic economic models on the planet because, wait for it, that's what they voted for.

you don't know me bra, you have no idea what i support.

I know you support this payment and that's enough.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Me too....I am disabled, but still had been trying to find part-time work. I am lucky in that my husband's company is very large, he can work from home easily and I still have some money left from my inheritance. I had been forced to live in it for the last 3 years, (my husband and I have been married 20 years, but have never combined our finances. I am responsible for my own bills.) Before my health took a dive (epilepsy, severe PTSD and bipolar), I had managed to work almost 30 years in the same field. I have not yet applied for disability... My money from my father will runout in about 5 months. I paid taxes for decades and feel that ANYONE who contributes or contributed to income taxes, should received a check. We all ARE affected by the events: the virus and the resulting economic disaster). If you paid taxes, you should receive a check from Uncle......

a reply to: FauxMulder

well i'm afraid the last danish prime minister disagrees with you and your external source when brenis first ran in 2015.

While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."
"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."
Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."
Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs

i think he would know better than you,
now he does admit to the Nordic model for social programs. but you do know that a market economy is not a socialist economy right.