Stimulus check 2020, should the disabled get it

I haven't read most of the replies so if I'm stepping on points already made, apologies... But...

This "stimulus" idea is not to help you or me at all. It's not. It's a token gesture that accomplishes two goals... It gives us something to think about other than impending doom and it theoretically shores up the market by informing them that 360 million people are all about to be out there buying stuff.

Which is funny because so many keep complaining that folks will use the money for booze and Xboxes and TV's... But that's the point.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

it's not socialism it's in our Constitutions Preamble. last i checked the U.S. is a democratic republic. where we elect representatives and senators to look after our well being, even if they look out for theirs more than ours.

show me where it is socialism and how a government talking care of it's people in time of need or crisis is socialism.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Where. Is. The. Money. Coming. From?

Who. Is. It. Going. To?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Where. Is. The. Money. Coming. From? Who. Is. It. Going. To?

we the people, through our elected representatives and senators who on our authority by way of us electing them, passed this bill on our behalf. not a repressive central government that rules over the states that decides on it's own . plain and simple

you still haven't shown me where it socialism, unless your saying our form of government is.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

You don't need a 'repressive central government' to have socialistic disbursements, that is a complete and total misnomer.

you still haven't shown me where it socialism, unless your saying our form of government is.

There is indeed quite a bit of socialistic programs in our Federal, State and Local governments and to show you how this is more of the same you need to answer my question.

The President already said certain people will get this payment and others will not. If you take money from one group and give to another, regardless of the reason, what is that called?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I dont like speaking for others, but an impasse seems to have been reached, so to clear that up, i think the answer to your question from all of them is no, it isn't socialism. And even if it was i suspect they would say it isnt wrong. And thats obviously the thing with any word, you can define it however you want, so based on your definition it may be socialism, but they would say your definition isn't the one they are using.

And in this vein i would agree with them, "socialism" doesn't get to claim ownership over practices/actions/behaviors/customs that humans have been doing for thousands of years (before the word socialism even existed) to help one another. In a theoretical sense the government is not suppose to be separate from the people, it's just an expression or projection of the people, so in this sense it wont be accurate to say they are "taking it from one people and giving to another." Because it's all one people. So how is helping oneself socialism? A people helping their own people.

Knock it off!

This is not the Mud Pit. If you can't discuss or debate civilly move on please.

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a reply to: FellowHuman

The issue with what you're implying is that 'what humans have been doing' was voluntary, this isn't. This is taking from some and giving to others. This is socialism, whether you think it's right or wrong doesn't change the underlying prinicpal, that of taking from one group and giving to another.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

i've answered your question. if you can't answer mine, then your just avoiding admitting your wrong. as i said promote the general welfare is what your calling socialistic programs. it is written into one of our founding Documents, that the framers saw that there be a time when it would be needed .

until you can show me how this is socialism and not the government/ we the people helping it's our people in time of need i'm done with you.
well until you try and not prove your point again.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
i've answered your question. if you can't answer mine...

I just looked at every one of your posts, not one has a question mark. What is your question(s)?

...as i said promote the general welfare is what your calling socialistic programs. it is written into one of our founding Documents, that the framers saw that there be a time when it would be needed .

And it is socialistic, to say otherwise is showing a serious fundamental grasp of economics.

until you can show me how this is socialism and not the government/ we the people helping it's our people in time of need i'm done with you.
well until you try and not prove your point again.

Helping each other is voluntary, the government taking from one group to give to another is socialism. You're only for this because it meets your approval for socialistic policy that you find palatable. I do not.

The sad part is I posted something 2 pages ago that silly really needed to see, trying to help, and she probably left to avoid this nonsense.

originally posted by: wrayth
We hear news of $1,000 stimulus check in 2020 because of the Coronavirus, a lot of people are going to need this money, especially the disabled.

I've read that the disabled will not get this check . Some people on supplemental Security income only make about $700 to $800 a month. That sounds nearly impossible to live off of.

This stimulus check is supposed to stimulate the economy so why don't the disabled get the stimulus check too?

So I'm asking you the people of ats , do you think the disabled should get this full check like everyone else?

Yes because its spending that stimulates our economy and in 2008 everyone but the wealthy got one. The disabled need it a hell of a lot more than anyone else.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

i'll reply to just one of your little break downs of my post.

I just looked at every one of your posts, not one has a question mark. What is your question(s)?

please don't play stupid, cause that is what your doing with that comment.

and seeing how you can't or won't tell me what socialism is, here from Websters.
here you go,

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
socialism

show me anywhere that says what you posted as socialism in that or any of the numerous ones that say the same thing.

nuff said and i'm done with your little game now.



ETA: i know your gonna jump on the 1st one so as barney would say, to nip in the bud, this is not what what the Federal Government is doing.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

i'll reply to just one of your little break downs of my post.

I just looked at every one of your posts, not one has a question mark. What is your question(s)?

please don't play stupid, cause that is what your doing with that comment.

and seeing how you can't or won't tell me what socialism is, here from Websters.
here you go,

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
socialism

show me anywhere that says what you posted as socialism in that or any of the numerous ones that say the same thing.

nuff said and i'm done with your little game now.


ETA: i know your gonna jump on the 1st one so as barney would say, to nip in the bud, this is not what what the Federal Government is doing.

Don't you know? People like him get to just make up their own definitions. They don't have to make sense, they just have to fit their argument, no matter how nonsensical.