Covid-19: definitely a conspiracy

The COVID-19 is most definitely being overhyped.

Since the moderator don'ttreadonme deleted my thread on this without explanation, I'll just repost it here since it is relevant.

Facts:

142 539 confirmed COVID19 cases

5393 confirmed COVID19 deaths

www.who.int...


Global Population of Humans: 7.5 BILLION

www.prb.org...


Fact is, based on the above, the MSM and particularly liberal democrats, are over hyping this and fear mongering.

originally posted by: Phage

Must be a subjective thing. As I said, I haven't seem the alarmism you speak of.

Alarmism probably wasn't the best word to use, they're calm while reporting but it's in their tone and the words they use. It probably is a bit subjective, but I don't think it's healthy to start the top story every night with "latest Coronavirus death numbers" so we can know that "a few more people have died today from the deadly Coronavirus" while ignoring the thousands more who died from other common illnesses. Treating it in that way is undoubtedly the core reason for this global panic and it's fairly easy to see how it occurred when you understand how society functions.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

but I don't think it's healthy to start the top story every night with "latest Coronavirus death numbers" so we can know that "a few more people have died today from the deadly Coronavirus" while ignoring the thousands more who died from other common illnesses.

This is quite different from other "common illnesses." It is new. It is, apparently, highly infectious. There is little if any immunity to it. It is quite likely that it will put a severe strain on our health systems. Letting people know this is not alarmism, it is realism.

Treating it in that way is undoubtedly the core reason for this global panic and it's fairly easy to see how it occurred when you understand how society functions.

I've been around society for quite a while now. Long enough that I qualify as one of those as high risk. Do you think that calling it "just a cold" would be a better approach?

a reply to: M4ngo

That isn't really a great argument to use because it could still spread to a lot more people and it seems to be very effective at propagating which is why some people say we should worry. I agree with your underlying point though, the infection rate and death rate is relatively low and you're far more likely to die from something like slipping in your bathtub. If we manage to create a vaccine or other treatment then the rates could be as low or lower than the flu. The only thing which can justify this level of fear is if CV19 stays in the body and has long term symptoms.

a reply to: WhiteHat

How do you recover so fast from such a huge contagion?

You don't.

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: M4ngo

That isn't really a great argument to use because it could still spread to a lot more people and it seems to be very effective at propagating which is why some people say we should worry. I agree with your underlying point though, the infection rate and death rate is relatively low and you're far more likely to die from something like slipping in your bathtub. If we manage to create a vaccine or other treatment then the rates could be as low or lower than the flu. The only thing which can justify this level of fear is if CV19 stays in the body and has long term symptoms.

Symptoms commonly present as common cold symptoms. Common cold is in fact an example of a condition caused by coronaviruses. The addition of the 4 amino acids makes it easier to spread, also it being similar to the common cold does as well.

As things stand, there is nothing statistically significant about the numbers.

originally posted by: Phage

It is, apparently, highly infectious.

Even if it infects a lot more people the symptoms are still relatively tame, some people don't even realize they have it. I'd certainly much rather have CV19 than Norovirus if I was given a choice (assuming CV19 isn't related to HIV). I'm far more likely to die from dehydration caused by the vomiting and diarrhea of Norovirus. CV19 isn't "just a cold" but it's also not a reason to quarantine nations or treat it like a doomsday scenario.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I'm far more likely to die from dehydration caused by the vomiting and diarrhea of Norovirus. CV19 isn't "just a cold" but it's also not a reason to quarantine nations or treat it like a doomsday scenario.

I asked once, who is saying it is a doomsday scenario? But I'll agree with you that, at this point, national quarantines are moot.

Neither diminishes the seriousness of the pandemic and the strain it will put on health systems everywhere. ICUs full of people with this "minor" infection will have a hard time dealing with people who are really sick.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

I asked once, who is saying it is a doomsday scenario? But I'll agree with you that, at this point, national quarantines are moot..

Some people seem to think it is a doomsday scenario, and most of those people probably believe that because that's the message being conveyed to them by the MSM on a subtle or even subconscious level. I think you vastly underestimate just how crafty and effective the media is when it comes to social engineering.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Some people seem to think it is a doomsday scenario, and most of those people probably believe that because that's the message being conveyed to them by the MSM on a subtle or even subconscious level.

I disagree. Most of those who think it's a doomsday scenario are probably those who think also that Nibiru is real or Jesus is Coming Soon.

I think you vastly underestimate just how crafty and effective the media is when it comes to social engineering.

I think you vastly underestimate my critical thinking skills and misstate my position

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Some people seem to think it is a doomsday scenario, and most of those people probably believe that because that's the message being conveyed to them by the MSM on a subtle or even subconscious level.

I disagree. Most of those who think it's a doomsday scenario are probably those who think also that Nibiru is real or Jesus is Coming Soon.

I think you vastly underestimate just how crafty and effective the media is when it comes to social engineering.

I think you vastly underestimate my critical thinking skills and misstate my position

You are assuming. Do you have any real factual data to back that up or are you just going to try to assume your way into winning this argument? I prefer facts and objective truths over ignorant assumptions.

I don't think you have demonstrated this so-called "critical thinking" you claim to have...thus far at least anyway.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Plotus

And who might that ''sources'' be, a drunk slobbering into his beer at the far end of the bar? However, I must say that as far as inventiveness goes, this story is interesting to think about. Let's see is this new partnership with India comes to play. That is we will see if we live though all of this.

I don't drink, and despite your cacophony of slurred verbiage, it is interesting to think about. Touchet

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Some people seem to think it is a doomsday scenario, and most of those people probably believe that because that's the message being conveyed to them by the MSM on a subtle or even subconscious level.

I disagree. Most of those who think it's a doomsday scenario are probably those who think also that Nibiru is real or Jesus is Coming Soon.

There are plenty that believe in neither, while clinging to homeopathic medicine.

I guess airborne AIDS wouldn’t have gone over very well...

I don't see the media sensationalizing it, honestly. I see Trump, Pence, and the CDC telling people it is dangerous. Trump blew it off at first, but did a complete 180 recently. Maybe. Just maybe.... it really is dangerous?

originally posted by: oloufo

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

originally posted by: Phage

The president's attitude certainly changed. Over night.

That's a good point actually, have to wonder if he was provided with some sort of information that changed his opinion.

I posted this in another thread....

From a political risk standpoint when you have a hysterical media that already isn't too friendly, it is far easier to just play along...

1) If Trump continues to down play it as hysteria, he is in a no win situation. Every death is going to be hanged on his neck whether he could have prevented them or not. If 500 people die, you know Don Lemonade and every other liberal pundit and politician is going to yapping non stop about how the President didn't do enough and is responsible for the 500 deaths while completing ignoring the thousands that died from h1n1 or other variants.

2) Because he has done something.... when this finally blows over he can take credit for acting swiftly even if maybe it would have blown over regardless. If it turns out to be worse, they also can't blame him for not doing something.

He wins politically by doing something even if that something doesn't necessarily prevent deaths or is kabuki theatre.

this virus is no #ing game boy.
you trump fanatics are so lost in your paranoia and anger, you should be banned from the internet for your own protection.

If you disagree, then by all means please post some relevant logical thoughts since your response to me didn't have any...

Here's the current major conspiracy theory. Some exaggerated facts here but sounds reasonable.

He points out the connection between the WHO, Davos, the 201 simultaneous Bill Gates/Drug industry coronavirus pandemic simulation to the REAL Covid 19 pandemic! THEY USE TO HAVE THE SAME NAME UNTIL THE WHO CHANGED IT. And many other elements like the fact that in September some Japanese tourists got the coronavirus in Hawai..that's in September 2019, 2-3 months before the China outbreak!

Also, the CDC ADMITS some of the patients in the USA who died from the flu actually died of coronavirus! They weren't looking for it so they couldn't detect it.

Then there are experts saying, NO, it started in the US, not China.

In July 2019, the CDC closed down the US military bio lab at FT Detrick Maryland.

What's behind the conspiracy? WHO, Gates Foundation, Davos, Big Pharma, Trump admin( whose motivation is to hurt China) and help big pharma. Also, many made BIG MONEY from foreknowledge of the airline decline selling short.

Interesting. Check it out with an open mind, I hope.Keep in mind this is a conspiracy site.

link

I think one of the key things is that there may be many more people in need of ICU treatment (ventilators and such) than can be accommodated by the health system in the US. So you’re going to have thousands of people struggling to breath and being totally on their own at home with no access to hospital care.

For what it's worth, specialists in my area are saying the virus can't be stopped/contained. The objective at this point, the precautions we are seeing across the nation are designed to slow the spread so communities are gradually infected instead of all at once. Buying time for vaccine development and hospital upgrades essentially, testing equipment alone is a pain in the ass to recalibrate and distribute and there just isn't enougn to go around. But in the end, it's probable that every one will carry the virus to some degree. This is the latest word I read from local medical professionals in the county paper.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Any guess on where EEE lands in this scenario?