Original Religion

Since the Summerians are considered the first civilization and they had there own religion,I would think they would be considered the first. But you could argue the point that early man most likely worshipped the moon,sun, earth and probably a tree stump here and there.
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[Edited on 07/11/03 by nyeff]

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Again with the miracles

Mega, your a weak minded person.

Thank you.

You think it's all about miracles and that's that. For your information, Satan has performed more miracles on earth than all the prophets combined. Believe in one of his miracles, I hope.

I don't think its all in the miracles at all, I think they are only there so God would show non-believers a sign.

And you continue to quote the 'bad' quotes in Islam with quoting the 'good'. Muhammad said his message was a miracle in its own. He didnt need to peform miracles because the Arab were a faithful people. The only people who ask for miracles were the Jews and the Christians. But Muhammad gave the unfaithful a sign indeed when he pointed at a full moon and made it disappear. Or when water streamed from his fingertips as the people drank as they were so thirsty.

True, Arabs were very faithfull, they would believe anything.

You probably don't even know why Muhammad said not to take Jews and Christians as friends. The Qur'an was written for its time and at that time the Jews and Christians had betrayed Muhammad, even leading him to death. But the Prophet of God had His guidance and help.

Do you have any idea how much christians have muslims slaughtered and raped their families? You have no idea how cruel they were!!
They applied convert or die technique, if you can't see that is satan working than you are weak minded person.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Megaquad]

Originally posted by Megaquad

Thank you.

Your welcome.

Originally posted by Megaquad

I don't think its all in the miracles at all, I think they are only there so God would show non-believers a sign.

Believing in God without a sign is the greatest gift. Christians couldnt, Jews most definetely didnt. Muslims did

Originally posted by Megaquad

True, Arabs were very faithfull, they would believe anything.

Just like how Christians believe they're the only ones going to heaven.

Originally posted by Megaquad
Do you have any idea how much christians have muslims slaughtered and raped their families? You have no idea how cruel they were!!
They applied convert or die technique, if you can't see that is satan working than you are weak minded person.

Do you have any idea how many Muslims were slaughtered and raped by Christians?

No idea how cruel they were!!

They applied convert or die technique, if you can't see that is satan working than you are a weak mind person, again.

Here is something to consider with all the 'finger pointing' and 'whose wrong and whose right'........

"Every man and every woman is a star. Every number is infinite; there is no difference."
"Liber al vel Legis" 1:3-4

In other words, we are all of a "Greater Source." Who truly and really cares what religion is first.....are we not all sister and brothers in the end?!?


regards
seekerof

Originally posted by nyeff
Since the Summerians are considered the first civilization and they had there own religion,I would think they would be considered the first. But you could argue the point that early man most likely worshipped the moon,sun, earth and probably a tree stump here and there.
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[Edited on 07/11/03 by nyeff]

I agree. Without chainsaws or axes, or fire tree stumps would have been a rare and supernatural phenomenon.

Well, i know for a fact that islam and the Christian religion were not the first.
Groinggrider was right.
Hinduism was much much older than the two stated above aswell.
Deep

Originally posted by ZeroDeep
Well, i know for a fact that islam and the Christian religion were not the first.
Groinggrider was right.
Hinduism was much much older than the two stated above aswell.
Deep

As 'religion' being defined as 'organized'...Hindu.....well said Deep.....wtg,

*edit* changed Zero to Deep

regards
seekerof

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Believing in God without a sign is the greatest gift. Christians couldnt, Jews most definetely didnt. Muslims did.

So did many other religions, it's just a poor excuse.

Do you have any idea how many Muslims were slaughtered and raped by Christians?

No idea how cruel they were!!

They applied convert or die technique, if you can't see that is satan working than you are a weak mind person, again.

Christians never conquered Europe in the name of God, and by the way raped families. Real Christians died for defending their faith.
You have no idea what are you talking about, and claiming that Jesus is "just a prophet" is very very ridiculous.
Also, you cannot answer on paradoxes created by Islam I stated in other thread because words of Jesus prove Islam false.

Originally posted by Megaquad

Christians never conquered Europe in the name of God, and by the way raped families. Real Christians died for defending their faith.
You have no idea what are you talking about, and claiming that Jesus is "just a prophet" is very very ridiculous.
Also, you cannot answer on paradoxes created by Islam I stated in other thread because words of Jesus prove Islam false.

Yea, but Christians conquered Jerusalem in the name of God. We can go back and forth if you want to. Jesus wasnt wrong. Jesus never claimed to be God or the Son of God. He never said it! He knew it was blasphemy. It was the Christians that messed up in the first place.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Islam was the original religion. Islam is more than just a religion, it means submission. Adam submitted to God, so did Enoch and Abraham. They were all Muslim because they submitted to God in Islam.

How many threads has this been Pasted to. Like quick dial this statement of Illmatic67's must be permanetly coppyed on to his clipboard for quick pasting when he feels that the need arises.

But defination by language aside, what could be a bigger lie.

Oh yeah!... That Christ is here on Earth and calls himself Br.ian.

Originally posted by Illmatic67

Originally posted by Megaquad

Christians never conquered Europe in the name of God, and by the way raped families. Real Christians died for defending their faith.
You have no idea what are you talking about, and claiming that Jesus is "just a prophet" is very very ridiculous.
Also, you cannot answer on paradoxes created by Islam I stated in other thread because words of Jesus prove Islam false.

Yea, but Christians conquered Jerusalem in the name of God. We can go back and forth if you want to. Jesus wasnt wrong. Jesus never claimed to be God or the Son of God. He never said it! He knew it was blasphemy. It was the Christians that messed up in the first place.

No Christianity simply liberated Jerusalem from invading forces in the name of God.

Miracles and illusions are performed today.....
David Copperfield has made things appear and dissapear....does that make him a 'prophet ' of God?
No....
Miracles should be the last thing that one asks for the belief in God..
Faith is the first ...

Satan is ruler of the air...he is called Prince of the air......so many (not all )miracles are signs that we seek
to satisfy our curiosity and not our true love of the truth.
Humility is good because when one sees their own mistakes one does not judge another for their's ...
When one truly forgives another ,then one truly is submitting to truth...
Hate or anger toward one whom makes you angry is not the way to go.....humility is.
If one repayes another with good then one has achieved something......but when one repayes hate with hate ........What has one accomplished?
More hate and more anger.......never ending...
To do bad is easy....no effort needed.
To do good takes effort and humility...and it may make the other person think of his actions or words.

Original religion???
What is religion?
Religion can be whatever one wants it to be!
Truth is another matter.
Truth is where Love ,Hope and Humility resides......in your soul.....and when one truly has these qualities then one will know what the truth is!

the original religion as far as i am aware of is that of the sumerians (mesopotamia). Many tales, such as the flood, the tree of knowledge, creation derive from sumerian accounts - apart from the original versions are more detailed and contain many gods (not just the one).

Relgion is an ambigious word and allows for a myriad of sects to fall into this category.

Is Buddhism a religion or is it a philosophy?

Primative man can be credited with introducing the first and most basic of " religious " thought, it was him/her who contrived of a higher being who controlled the oceans, winds, earth, it was this basic thought that evolved into full fledged monotheistic and polythiestic doctrines.

Deep

It all depends on how you are defining religion. If it is as broad as the worship of a God(s) then fetish worship was the first form of religion. When a hunter was victorious in battle his weapon was seen as containing the spirit or deity of some sort of power (the sun, the spirit of strong animals, forces of nature). This would be the most primitive of religious constructs and so was probably the first.

See? All of ya'll are messed up. The original poster just asked an Honest question. Then, out of the woodwork, crawls a flamer from every religion.

Did you honestly believe Islam or Christianity were the first religions? OMG I thought I was going to keel over when I read those statements.

I am pagan. Our beliefs may not be the oldest, but I don't need to be a genius to know that Hinduism, or the religion of the Sumerians is just as old, if not older. Pagansim has been around since the dawn of man. Xtianity and Islam are like newborn babes on this planet. Xtianity is what, 2000 years old? Islam maybe 1500 years old?

Compare those with the way people believed before they came about.

I believe Hinduism is the oldest of all current major religions.
and before Hinduism, i would go with the ancient sun worship religions practiced by the egyptians and indians....but i don't really know about the time lines, it could be that hinduism was being practiced even back then?

Hinduism was the first organized religious structure. Jonna is on the right track, that religious sub-societal groups existed prior to the first civilizations.

Tribal religions have been around far long than Hinduism.

Deep

The question is kinda general but I'll put my two cents worth in

If your talking about the first organized religion with rituals etc then I'm not sure you'd have to ask an anthroplogist about that one

But if your talking about the first belief in a higher power/God then I would guess it was the whorship of the sun. The Sun being the biggest object in mans view and when it goes down there is only darkness and probably fear... so the rising of the sun might seem godlike to the first man

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Christianity stole most of its religious festivals from the Pagan calendar to convert people as painlessly as possible.

An often-heard misconception.
Not sure what websites you get your information from, but this point has been brought up many times in history, and was found ungrounded a long time ago.