The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Originally posted by Xenopathic_Investigator

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
that was stargate sg1, get your facts straight, geez...

anyway, yeah, both sides refuse to listen to anyone because one extreme acts on faith and the other acts on cold hard facts and nothing else.

more like anti-christian propaganda and thought pattern modifacation.

You got it in one!

I avoided these examples for such a long time because the list of, "anti-Christian thought pattern modification", to be found in popular culture, is all but endless and choosing the best of too many examples would take years of fulltime work.

What child growing up on The Simpsons, will want to be a Christian, like Ned Flanders, who despite being a wonderfull charactor is still the accepted butt of everyones jokes, even Homer's?
Where as Lisa, the super smart 'conscience' of the town, uses her intellect to choose to become a Buddist and gets to hang out with superstar Beatle for her choise.

Those who say they can't see the constant portrayel of Christians as 'dumb' and atheists as intelligent, are, IMHO, either deaf and blind, or "liers on a mission".

Well.. If you call hundred's of year's of the sun orbiting the earth as intelligent...

Took the church 450 year's to aplogogize to Galileo for their screw up.

[edit on 16-1-2006 by Produkt]

The Simpson's portrays Flanders as the extreme Christian, and Rev. Lovejoy as a more temperate Christian who tries to show Christianity in a more modern, socially active, light. Where Flanders denies his children experiences that would allow them to grow as people, Lovejoy fights bloodthirsty baboons bare handed.

I think the overall message here is to give up the old ways of Christianity, and allow for the growth of the religion. No more inquisitions, witch trials, cross burnings, and believing that anyone who doesn't think like you is going to burn in hell for eternity, and that they deserve it.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Produkt, you and all the others on this thread, who insist on repeating the same old lies and refusing to address the countless failings of secular and other beliefs, are proof of the conspiracy.

i'm lost as to why 'suzy ryan' and others keep on insisting on a conspiracy. forget about people writing on this board, because christianity is not solely targeted. sure there's harsh opinionated words said against it, but there also is against rational science explanations and evolution. the only difference is, is that there 'is' a christian movement trying to push evolution and science out of the school in favor of ID and christian science, which they're forcing in. it's even gotten to the point where there are christian summer schools and camps where christian parents send their children to brainwash them of all the information they learnt from the passed year.

whatever happened to the seperation of church and state, yet still have prayers and forced christian science and ID in schools, and on your money it says 'in god we trust'. it wouldn't be so bad, yet we live in a 'democracy' that's so diverse with religion that it's unfair to have 'christian' prayers in school and 'christian' science over other relgions...you know it's not just christian children and atheists that go to schools. you have the general term for the monotheistic christian god on your money...it's not 'in allah we trust', or 'in buddha we trust'.

so if there's any sort of conspiracy going on, it's on the christians behalf and not the atheists. you've already got prayer in school, take your kids to christian summer camps to brainwash them with 'christian' science, you want ID taught on the same level as other scientific topics, you've got your god on every bill printed in america...what more do you want?...and you have to expect people to speak up against you because all of that above is wrong. in god we trust shouldnt be on your money, christian prayer shouldnt be done in schools in a mass classroom of diverse religion, atheists and so on, ID shouldn't be taught in a science classroom because it's not a 'science'...and this isn't being anti-christian...this is just being rational.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
What child growing up on The Simpsons, will want to be a Christian, like Ned Flanders, who despite being a wonderfull charactor is still the accepted butt of everyones jokes, even Homer's?
Where as Lisa, the super smart 'conscience' of the town, uses her intellect to choose to become a Buddist and gets to hang out with superstar Beatle for her choise.

i think what 'Rasobasi420' had to say, pretty much summed up your comment. not sure if you realised but the 'simpsons' still go to church. marge is the only one who seems to enjoy on any level, but they all still go. dispite what you say about lisa, on one episode the end of the world of something, the flanders you see going up to heaven, and the 'LISA' starts to get pulled up...but homer's like 'oh no you don't'. in the same way marge thinks she's doing what is best for her kids, ned flanders is also doing the same, except in a more strict way. in america you will find mother's like marge and families pushed to go to church, and you will also find a ned flanders with cable, with 200 channels all blocked out.

and sure homer takes advantage of ned's generocity etc, but on many episodes homer is shown maybe to be jealous of ned, for example ned has a pretty ripped body on one episode and all the women seem to adore him for it, and on another homer sees ned with his family all happy and wishes his own family was like that.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by shaunybaby]

Originally posted by truthseeka
Wow, Saint, you made waves with that post.

If what I had to say is the same message you'd heard before, I'm happy with that.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I posted anti-Christian stuff in the news way before you posted that article, yet YOU just found ways that my posts were not a part of the "conspiracy." Why?

In a very direct way, it sounded like you were saying Christians are the Anti-Christian conspiracy, which candidly doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If you're saying there are people who claim to be "Christian" that are trying to tear it down, that's possible, but that's not the conspiracy I know.

Originally posted by truthseeka
My guess is that you didn't want to hear this from a non-Christian.

The truth is the truth no matter who it comes from. I have no prejudices against anyone's personal beliefs.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Anyway, I have now realized that I am anti-Christian, and I am proud of that.

All the best sitting on that pride, and thanks for helping to prove my point. In order to have an Anti-Christian Conspiracy you first have to have Anti-Christians. Now we know who they are, we need to look at what they do to foundationally establish this position

Originally posted by truthseeka
I mean, looking at the Christian track record, how can you not be?

So you're looking at the people who call themselves "Christian" and not Christ? Clearly this is not the point of Christianity.

Originally posted by truthseeka
And no, don't tell me how I'm going to hell, I already know and await eternal torture for my beliefs in a finite lifespan.

I had no intentions of doing that truthseeka, nor do I find that funny. I'm sorry you've resigned yourself to this fate.

Originally posted by truthseeka
It didn't use to be like this, though. I recently became fed up with Christians. I now am totally sick of Christians. After all the hypocrisy veiled behind a "moral high ground," the unabashed and unapologetic intolerance for gays (if you're a real Christian, you stone gays if you find them having sex

), the "we're right and you're wrong" attitude, just all of it.

Again looking at people and not Christ...

Originally posted by truthseeka
I wouldn't be anti-Christian if they didn't impose their beliefs on others (myself included). But, they do, so I am. And, so what? I ain't sorry for it. Half of the people here now are anti-Islam after the govt sponsored terror of late, so so what? I'm proud that I am now anti-Christian, but let it be known that I wasn't anti-Christian until recently, like last month, I guess. Before, I was just critical, but now, I am anti.

I'm not "anti-Islam" because that means I'd feel some kind of anger or hatred toward the people who believe these things...and I do not.

Originally posted by truthseeka
So, there you have it. I'm glad that the govt is going to start cracking down on Christians, mostly because of the irony of it all. Now, that's not true, it's mostly because Christians are finally getting their just desserts. I know it's bad to support govt attack on one group because eventually all will suffer, but I get a pleasure out of watching it happen to Christians.

That's pretty twisted thinking. Hope the 1st amendment prevails, but will not be surprised if it does not. And, I hope that you'll never have to endure any amount of suffering.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by saint4God]

Originally posted by Produkt
How many innocent live's were taken by the church on account of being falsly accused for being a witch?

Hm. I don't know, how many?

Originally posted by Produkt
How many live's were taken for trying to advance scientific knowledge.

I've read of two, perhaps there were more? How many?

Originally posted by Produkt
How many live's were taken during the crusade's.... altho I'm not sure which church did that one.

Don't know, how many? I can tell you that they could not have been following Christ as Christians are told by him to do as he says which is: "Love your neighbor" and "Love your enemy". Do you see a difference between those who follow these words and those who do not? While you're at it, how many Christians have been killed for their beliefs? I can tell you 25,000 people that believe the same thing I did were killed in France in a raid while they were sleeping shortly after the crusades.

Originally posted by Produkt
Point is religion is just as evil as anything else on this planet. Your worshipping a god who commited the most awfullest of crime's against humanity and it's all right there in your bible.

For every sin in the Bible, there was a punishment...or hadn't you gotten that far in the book yet?

Originally posted by Produkt
Damn, we even got punished for being edumacated by that kyoot wittle snake dood.

I'm going to have to call a linguistics engineer because your English looks in disrepair. If you're saying that we were damned because we wanted to bump God off his seat and be all knowing and powerful like him, then I think that's accurate. Take heart though, it doesn't have to be that way.

Originally posted by Produkt
you don't deny the quoted bible verse that madnessinmysoul posted tho do you? Is this or is this not a part of your bible? If it is then it still look's to me that your worshipping a god who commited genocide. And for what? Becuase he need's precious little follower's to make him feel important.

There are two things I got out of what Suzy said. First, is that there's more to the story and it's necessary to read on to see what happens. Second, we've reviewed this topic before on this thread so being repetitious is really a waste of time. I know I'm not going to say what I've said before because I'm interested in progress, not bickering.

Originally posted by Produkt
If he does in fact exist, then what's it matter if I worship him or not? Why should I waste my sunday in church to learn howto be a good person when common sense alone can teach me that? Why should my belief's decide if I goto heaven or hell despite me leading a decent life?

He's got a free gift of eternal life and happiness that wants to give to you. If that's not enough incentive, there's nothing any of us can say or do for you here.

Originally posted by Produkt
I've had some people tell me I'm going to hell because I don't believe in their god. I've actually lost a job once because I told a christian boss I didn't believe! Two days later... out I go. Does god teach this kind of behavior or can I rest easy knowing that old bat is going to hell for being so prejudice against my beliefs?

What was the reason given for the dismissal? I think everyone here will agree that if the reason was because you were not Christian than yes that is wrong and is discrimination. Per the Bible, in James chapter 2 it states favortism is forbidden. S/He should know that. As far as your wishing of misfortune to that person, that's not helping your afterlife positioning. We all have our opportunities for improvement though, just trying to be a helpful sibling.

Originally posted by Ray Davies
When you get up in the morning do you just pray yourself to work? No, you get in the car and go.

Beautiful Ray, simply beautiful. I really respect those who are able to sum up what the book of James was trying to say in one sentence . I seem to be quoting it a lot today, interesting coincidence(?).

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The Simpson's portrays Flanders as the extreme Christian, and Rev. Lovejoy as a more temperate Christian who tries to show Christianity in a more modern, socially active, light. Where Flanders denies his children experiences that would allow them to grow as people, Lovejoy fights bloodthirsty baboons bare handed.

I think the overall message here is to give up the old ways of Christianity, and allow for the growth of the religion. No more inquisitions, witch trials, cross burnings, and believing that anyone who doesn't think like you is going to burn in hell for eternity, and that they deserve it.

misinfo and FUD. stop it your emotional manipulation works not.

Originally posted by shaunybaby

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Produkt, you and all the others on this thread, who insist on repeating the same old lies and refusing to address the countless failings of secular and other beliefs, are proof of the conspiracy.

i'm lost as to why 'suzy ryan' and others keep on insisting on a conspiracy. forget about people writing on this board, because christianity is not solely targeted. sure there's harsh opinionated words said against it, but there also is against rational science explanations and evolution. the only difference is, is that there 'is' a christian movement trying to push evolution and science out of the school in favor of ID and christian science, which they're forcing in. it's even gotten to the point where there are christian summer schools and camps where christian parents send their children to brainwash them of all the information they learnt from the passed year.

whatever happened to the seperation of church and state, yet still have prayers and forced christian science and ID in schools, and on your money it says 'in god we trust'. it wouldn't be so bad, yet we live in a 'democracy' that's so diverse with religion that it's unfair to have 'christian' prayers in school and 'christian' science over other relgions...you know it's not just christian children and atheists that go to schools. you have the general term for the monotheistic christian god on your money...it's not 'in allah we trust', or 'in buddha we trust'.

so if there's any sort of conspiracy going on, it's on the christians behalf and not the atheists. you've already got prayer in school, take your kids to christian summer camps to brainwash them with 'christian' science, you want ID taught on the same level as other scientific topics, you've got your god on every bill printed in america...what more do you want?...and you have to expect people to speak up against you because all of that above is wrong. in god we trust shouldnt be on your money, christian prayer shouldnt be done in schools in a mass classroom of diverse religion, atheists and so on, ID shouldn't be taught in a science classroom because it's not a 'science'...and this isn't being anti-christian...this is just being rational.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
What child growing up on The Simpsons, will want to be a Christian, like Ned Flanders, who despite being a wonderfull charactor is still the accepted butt of everyones jokes, even Homer's?
Where as Lisa, the super smart 'conscience' of the town, uses her intellect to choose to become a Buddist and gets to hang out with superstar Beatle for her choise.

i think what 'Rasobasi420' had to say, pretty much summed up your comment. not sure if you realised but the 'simpsons' still go to church. marge is the only one who seems to enjoy on any level, but they all still go. dispite what you say about lisa, on one episode the end of the world of something, the flanders you see going up to heaven, and the 'LISA' starts to get pulled up...but homer's like 'oh no you don't'. in the same way marge thinks she's doing what is best for her kids, ned flanders is also doing the same, except in a more strict way. in america you will find mother's like marge and families pushed to go to church, and you will also find a ned flanders with cable, with 200 channels all blocked out.

and sure homer takes advantage of ned's generocity etc, but on many episodes homer is shown maybe to be jealous of ned, for example ned has a pretty ripped body on one episode and all the women seem to adore him for it, and on another homer sees ned with his family all happy and wishes his own family was like that.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by shaunybaby]

yeah how about muslams? tell them to stop making women wear cloaks and stop calling muhummad the messiah....

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by truthseeka
Wow, Saint, you made waves with that post.

If what I had to say is the same message you'd heard before, I'm happy with that.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I posted anti-Christian stuff in the news way before you posted that article, yet YOU just found ways that my posts were not a part of the "conspiracy." Why?

In a very direct way, it sounded like you were saying Christians are the Anti-Christian conspiracy, which candidly doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If you're saying there are people who claim to be "Christian" that are trying to tear it down, that's possible, but that's not the conspiracy I know.

Originally posted by truthseeka
My guess is that you didn't want to hear this from a non-Christian.

The truth is the truth no matter who it comes from. I have no prejudices against anyone's personal beliefs.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Anyway, I have now realized that I am anti-Christian, and I am proud of that.

All the best sitting on that pride, and thanks for helping to prove my point. In order to have an Anti-Christian Conspiracy you first have to have Anti-Christians. Now we know who they are, we need to look at what they do to foundationally establish this position

Originally posted by truthseeka
I mean, looking at the Christian track record, how can you not be?

So you're looking at the people who call themselves "Christian" and not Christ? Clearly this is not the point of Christianity.

Originally posted by truthseeka
And no, don't tell me how I'm going to hell, I already know and await eternal torture for my beliefs in a finite lifespan.

I had no intentions of doing that truthseeka, nor do I find that funny. I'm sorry you've resigned yourself to this fate.

Originally posted by truthseeka
It didn't use to be like this, though. I recently became fed up with Christians. I now am totally sick of Christians. After all the hypocrisy veiled behind a "moral high ground," the unabashed and unapologetic intolerance for gays (if you're a real Christian, you stone gays if you find them having sex

), the "we're right and you're wrong" attitude, just all of it.

Again looking at people and not Christ...

Originally posted by truthseeka
I wouldn't be anti-Christian if they didn't impose their beliefs on others (myself included). But, they do, so I am. And, so what? I ain't sorry for it. Half of the people here now are anti-Islam after the govt sponsored terror of late, so so what? I'm proud that I am now anti-Christian, but let it be known that I wasn't anti-Christian until recently, like last month, I guess. Before, I was just critical, but now, I am anti.

I'm not "anti-Islam" because that means I'd feel some kind of anger or hatred toward the people who believe these things...and I do not.

Originally posted by truthseeka
So, there you have it. I'm glad that the govt is going to start cracking down on Christians, mostly because of the irony of it all. Now, that's not true, it's mostly because Christians are finally getting their just desserts. I know it's bad to support govt attack on one group because eventually all will suffer, but I get a pleasure out of watching it happen to Christians.

That's pretty twisted thinking. Hope the 1st amendment prevails, but will not be surprised if it does not. And, I hope that you'll never have to endure any amount of suffering.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by saint4God]

Christians 4r3 t3# 3v0Rz?

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Produkt
How many innocent live's were taken by the church on account of being falsly accused for being a witch?

Hm. I don't know, how many?

Originally posted by Produkt
How many live's were taken for trying to advance scientific knowledge.

I've read of two, perhaps there were more? How many?

Originally posted by Produkt
How many live's were taken during the crusade's.... altho I'm not sure which church did that one.

Don't know, how many? I can tell you that they could not have been following Christ as Christians are told by him to do as he says which is: "Love your neighbor" and "Love your enemy". Do you see a difference between those who follow these words and those who do not? While you're at it, how many Christians have been killed for their beliefs? I can tell you 25,000 people that believe the same thing I did were killed in France in a raid while they were sleeping shortly after the crusades.

Originally posted by Produkt
Point is religion is just as evil as anything else on this planet. Your worshipping a god who commited the most awfullest of crime's against humanity and it's all right there in your bible.

For every sin in the Bible, there was a punishment...or hadn't you gotten that far in the book yet?

Originally posted by Produkt
Damn, we even got punished for being edumacated by that kyoot wittle snake dood.

I'm going to have to call a linguistics engineer because your English looks in disrepair. If you're saying that we were damned because we wanted to bump God off his seat and be all knowing and powerful like him, then I think that's accurate. Take heart though, it doesn't have to be that way.

look they enjoy watching people get killed...hmmm brainwash?

This is a pointless discussion.

This is just mindlessly bash christianity and pretend that is legit.

See these atheist and agnostics have had anti-christian(NWO media brainwash loop) for as long as they born.They hate christianity because it doen't fit thier selfish ambitions.(I wanna kill innocent children,i wanna kill termanally ill patients ,the old,the poor, the mentally challenged,mentally ill,ect ect.)

Christian reality goes agianst the NWO's movitives so guess what they smear,they spread FUD,misinfo,halftruths,cherrypick,demonize and suppress christian reality.

Its not really the brainwashed anti-christian persons we should be worrying about but the New Age misinfo agents implanting pro-NWO thought patterns,doctrines and desired responses.

This space for rent.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by saint4God]

saint4God

And what was the punishment of those who god told to kill other people? More importantly, what was god's punishment for all the horrible act's of hatred he did to us?

Oh you guy's don't believe? Fine... rather then comming down and showing you I'm gunna plauge your a**'s, kill your babies, send my follower's over to piss on your dead (not sure if that part really happened).

Seriously, rather then acting like some homicidal guy with a superiority complex, couldn't he just.. idk, do what he preach's?

Originally posted by Produkt
saint4God

And what was the punishment of those who god told to kill other people?

I don't decide that.

Originally posted by Produkt
More importantly, what was god's punishment for all the horrible act's of hatred he did to us?

He hasn't done anything unjustly. How many people did He create? Why to we decide how and when someone's life ends on earth? Is death a punishment for all of us?

Originally posted by Produkt
Oh you guy's don't believe? Fine... rather then comming down and showing you I'm gunna plauge your a**'s, kill your babies, send my follower's over to piss on your dead (not sure if that part really happened).

I see, so you plan on omitting man's crimes against God in your argument? Oh woe are we because we can't do whatever we desire.

Originally posted by Produkt
Seriously, rather then acting like some homicidal guy

How can I love everyone and be homicidal? There's a fundamental problem in your assessment on how I'm "acting". I'm not acting here nor am I homicidal.

Originally posted by Produkt
with a superiority complex,

Don't follow me, follow Him. I'm a sinner, He is flawless. Does that sound like a superiority complex to you?

Originally posted by Produkt
couldn't he just.. idk, do what he preach's?

Do what Christ teaches. In the end, you don't have me to answer to. I'm a guide, that's it.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by saint4God]

Your very good at evading the question's.

You've misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't care what you do. I was asking about god acting homicidal.

Instead of god (maybe if I add the name and in bold you'll figure out who I'm talking about rather then playing dumb to evade the question like a good christian) acting the way he did in the bible, killing all sinner's, having man kill them etc... Why can't god do as he preach's or why can't he just come down and say hey yo, wut up G, why you tripping. Does he really feel the need to say he's all forgiving/all loving and then act the opposite? And expect people to follow him for that?

With all his mighty power to create and murdur people, he can't just pop in and say hey guy's clean up your act?

Again, just so you don't feel the need to evade the question again, I'm talking about god, not you.

Originally posted by Xenopathic_Investigator
yeah how about muslams? tell them to stop making women wear cloaks and stop calling muhummad the messiah....

what? what they do is their business because them telling their wives what to wear doesn't affect me.

Originally posted by Produkt
Your very good at evading the question's.

Perhaps you can rephrase. I thought I answered directly, though would be happy to clarify.

Originally posted by Produkt
You've misinterpreted what I was saying. I don't care what you do. I was asking about god acting homicidal.

My bad. Let me try again...

How many lives did God create? How many were killed by the hand of God? How many has mankind killed?

Originally posted by Produkt
Instead of god (maybe if I add the name and in bold you'll figure out who I'm talking about rather then playing dumb to evade the question like a good christian) acting the way he did in the bible, killing all sinner's, having man kill them etc... Why can't god do as he preach's or why can't he just come down and say hey yo, wut up G, why you tripping. Does he really feel the need to say he's all forgiving/all loving and then act the opposite? And expect people to follow him for that?

This recent effort (relatively speaking) was an attempt to communicate with mankind on our level. It seems to have worked well since many are now listening. Still, there are disconnects.

Originally posted by Produkt
With all his mighty power to create and murdur people, he can't just pop in and say hey guy's clean up your act?

He did, and it's recorded He had done so.

Originally posted by Produkt
Again, just so you don't feel the need to evade the question again, I'm talking about god, not you.

You were addressing me and said "guy" which is not the same as God. Then you went on to talk about His followers so it sounded like you were still talking about His followers. Pardon again for the misunderstanding. There's no attempt on my part to evade or decieve. If there is, report me because it's against the Terms and Conditions to lie and against the "deny ignorance" policy to evade.

[edit on 17-1-2006 by saint4God]

'quote: Originally posted by Produkt
With all his mighty power to create and murdur people, he can't just pop in and say hey guy's clean up your act?'

How would that be received? It isn't likely that we'd just trust him. Instead, the more likely thing would be to demand a lengthy lab examination by scientists from all over, that was recorded and broadcast live, including lots of inquisitive personal requests for proof. That wouldn't be enough for us though, and a series of interviews by media stars like Oprah, Leno, Letterman, Springer, etc. would follow.
Even then, many people would be skeptical, anyway.
Plus, the point of this whole exercise in creating the universe would become meaningless.