The Anti-Christian conspiracy

reply to post by HIFIGUY


you're comparing a SINGLE religion with a multitude of political ideologies in the numbers there...
and i'm quite sure the numbers for iraq top 50,000 dead... probably a hell of a lot more
because of civilians...

there are currently plenty of people killing for faith in general. if we were going to add up total deaths resulting from religion it would go a bit higher

and it's still climbing.. like in india where a group of christians is converting or killing people and demanding an independent christian state.

This thread STILL going?

Sorry. Been too busy collecting unwrapped toys and unperishable food for needy families.

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[edit on 24/11/2007 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by RANT
This thread STILL going?

Sorry. Been too busy collecting unwrapped toys and unperishable food for needy families.

"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full." - Matthew 6:2

Yes, the thread is still going and no we have not even begun to scratch the surface of the topic.

Interesting when I show persecution within the last twenty years, soon comes the expected citations of what happened 500+ years ago by people who were not following the words of Christ (aka Christians). QED once again, "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." - Matthew 26:52. Although pointing fingers at Christians (albeit incorrectly) for something they did not do, the tactic is predictable spin with a close affinity with the Anti-Christian Conspiracy. Thus, in an attempt to show that no Anti-Christain Conspiracies exists by those who are against the belief of believers, they are in fact and ironically, proving it so.

[edit on 27-11-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

The sword can take on many appearances...In this case words.

If there is a conspiracy, so be it. If their isnt so be it.

There is nothing stopping anyone here from doing good works.

After 150 pages...were where we started. In the process we all do what we do. It is my hope that one day we will share a more perfect peace and unity.

Universally

Peace

[edit on 30-11-2007 by HIFIGUY]

reply to post by saint4God


show me oppression of christians, saint.


oh, if you bring up missionaries in islamic countries, that isn't oppression of christians, that's people willingly breaking the idiotic laws of a country and accepting the consequences
i see that often cited as "oppression of christians" when it is nothing more than the stupidity of christians as they actively claim that those who know nothing of christ cannot be punished for not accepting him...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
show me oppression of christians, saint.

I've done this several times and therefore doubt once more will convince you.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
oh, if you bring up missionaries in islamic countries, that isn't oppression of christians, that's people willingly breaking the idiotic laws of a country and accepting the consequences

This was not my main example.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i see that often cited as "oppression of christians" when it is nothing more than the stupidity of christians

Nice hyper-generalization/judgement and proof-text of the topic.

[edit on 27-12-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
I've done this several times and therefore doubt once more will convince you.

if it's true, it will convince me. just humor me here, show me the

This was not my main example.

i'm aware of that, but it was the only one i could remember

Nice hyper-generalization/judgement and proof-text of the topic.

going into a country to do something that is directly against the law and carries a severe penalty all the way up to death is stupid, especially when you believe that those who do not hear "the word" will be judged on a case to case basis.
in fact, i'd say such work is just as stupid as suicide bombing, as these missionaries often take the people they convert to the grave with them because the crime of apostasy carries such a severe penalty as well.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
if it's true, it will convince me.

It is true and it did not convince you. The details I'd spoken about are well documented. Pretty interesting to think you'd only be convinced by the truth...or that all that you're convinced of IS truth.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...as these missionaries often take the people they convert to the grave with them because the crime of apostasy carries such a severe penalty as well.

It's this kind of "blame the victims" game that justifies domestic abuse. "If she wouldn't have opened her mouth, then I wouldn't have had to hit her! My son had to sit and watch her get beat." Sick really.

[edit on 27-12-2007 by saint4God]

Alright..I thought this fire was out..and somone had to go play with matches..lol..

Sheesh...

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
Alright..I thought this fire was out..and somone had to go play with matches..lol..

Sheesh...

Some reassurance for HIFI:

"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth." - Revelations 3:15-17



[edit on 27-12-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God
It is true and it did not convince you. The details I'd spoken about are well documented. Pretty interesting to think you'd only be convinced by the truth...or that all that you're convinced of IS truth.

did you show the documentation? i'm sorry, i really don't remember at the moment. could you just provide the evidence once more of this "anti-christian conspiracy"

It's this kind of "blame the victims" game that justifies domestic abuse. "If she wouldn't have opened her mouth, then I wouldn't have had to hit her! My son had to sit and watch her get beat." Sick really.

blame the victims? false analogy abounds on this one here...
ok, a wife in a domestic violence situation doesn't take a plane halfway across the world to break sovereign law of a nation.


ok, so as a maltese person i'm going to go to america and buy some beer and drink. oh, they'll arrest me for doing it because i'm 19 and not the legal drinking age, even though it's only 16 in malta!
but who do you blame? me for buying the beer or the nation for having the law?

both are stupid laws (though the islamic law is more than a bit more stupid) but in both cases someone is going into the nation for the express purpose of breaking the law.

the victims here aren't the missionaries, it's the poor people that end up dying for apostasy because of them.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
did you show the documentation? i'm sorry, i really don't remember at the moment. could you just provide the evidence once more of this "anti-christian conspiracy"

The biggest comedy for me on this thread (which used to be a headache, but since has changed mood) is repetition. Shauny asked on four separate occasions to tell me exactly the who, how and why of at least one group. Which I did accomodate four times. There was probably more but have since lost count. After citing, it is then either ignored, said that Christians "deserve it", or blown off as no big deal. Shauny is right about it being "no big deal" for Shauny because if Shauny is a non-believer it probably is no big deal to Shauny or concern in the immediate future.

Likewise when I cited an over fifty year long persecution with several hundreds of thousands of Christians being killed in a non-muslim country (atheistic one in fact), same result. What then is my motivation to repeat yet again? It is already here in print and will not be a homework monkey (again) of looking it up and quoting because of someone else's lazy-skepticism to re-read the very same thread they've been following for a very long time.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
blame the victims?

Is what you've done, yes.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the victims here aren't the missionaries, it's the poor people that end up dying for apostasy because of them.

Again, making missionaries out to be the bad guys. Who did the missionaries kill? Hmmm...NOBODY! Do you even have a CLUE what a missionary does?

[edit on 28-12-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
blame the victims?

Is what you've done, yes.

no, it isn't. they aren't anymore the victims than any person that goes to jail for a crime they are knowingly committing

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
the victims here aren't the missionaries, it's the poor people that end up dying for apostasy because of them.

Again, making missionaries out to be the bad guys. Who did the missionaries kill? Hmmm...NOBODY! Do you even have a CLUE what a missionary does?

the missionaries i'm talking about go to countries where it is illegal to convert people away from islam, convert people to islam, and this tends to lead to imprisonment of the missionaries and death of the apostates.

had the missionaries not gone to the country and DELIBERATELY BROKEN A LAW THAT THEY KNEW WAS THERE those people would be alive.

i'm not making the missionaries out to be bad guys, just zealous the point of endangerment of the lives of others.

there are other countries where it isn't illegal, why can't they go there?

[edit on 12/28/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by HIFIGUY

 

and it's still climbing.. like in india where a group of christians is converting or killing people and demanding an independent christian state.

Methinks your points are more than a bit outrageous.

The numbers of our military killed in Iraq are HALF the USA military dead under Billdo Klintoon.

The religionists murdered in India in the last 10-20 years have been by far MANY MORE CHRISTIANS KILLED BY HINDU's. I actually cannot remember a single widely distributed news story of any Christians killing Hindu's there. Please show me the reference you think shows otherwise. From my perspective, your facts are upside down to the reality, the truth.

Spreading untruth is the OPPOSITE of denying ignorance, imho.

edit to remove accidental paste from other thread

[edit on 30/12/2007 by BO XIAN]

reply to post by BO XIAN


i already posted a source on the christian separatists in india

and could you show me the numbers on hindus killing christians?

It seems obvious to me that people (at least on this forum) who are most critical of Christianity are Christians themselves - They just seem to nicpic each other to tears. Perhaps there needs to be more continuity amongst the insiders then one can focus on the adverse forces attacking from the outside.

Originally posted by Al Davison
The fact is that Christians in this world today had better think long and hard - pray even harder - because there is a strong possibillity that their strongly held beliefs actually profane God by glorifying this man Jesus.

Bible says Christianity is an Abomination

No it doesn't. The Bible says:

"However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name." - 1 Peter 4:16

Nice try in attempting to derail the topic, yet further proves the topic.

Originally posted by saint4God
Nice try in attempting to derail the topic, yet further proves the topic.

I should think that posts against chustianity would be right on topic in a thread entitled "The Anti-Christian conspiracy". But perhaps it isn't so much a conspiracy as it is rationalists getting fed up with religionists pushing their religious delusions into mainstream society as if it were something real. It is not real but if you want to keep it then please keep it to yourself.

Originally posted by Lilitu
It is not real but if you want to keep it then please keep it to yourself.

It is real and the mediasheep youtube video is a piece of the evidence. If that's what your saying by posting the video, then I suppose it is on topic. If you're saying (as the video does) that the Bible speaks against Christians then no, it is not on topic. Regarding your request for silence, I respectfully decline.

[edit on 31-12-2007 by saint4God]