The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Originally posted by undo
You should find the information on
the link in my signature enlightening,
as regards the Illuminati. My guest
last night was a former member of the
OTO, which is referred to by many as
the Illuminati.

I kinda know your guest there.. He got quite pissed at me about some comments I made around the time he was suspended from the O.T.O.

Anyway I listend to the show, and I have to say for those who haven't heard the show hermit418 really did not agree with the points that you posted here.

But that being said, I applaud you for getting someone from "the other side" on your show. At times I thought you missed the point of what he was saying but that's understandable... anyway I thought it was pretty good all things considered.

[edit on 3/25/2007 by Cug]

Originally posted by Cug

Are you referring to the post I made? (BTW I am not a member of the O.T.O.) The quotes I posted are from a document that the O.T.O. has never really been able to live up to. In fact parts of the current schism in O.T.O. land revolve are the O.T.O.'s lack of ability to "live up" to what is called the "Blue Equinox model" (The book that and related documents were published in).

My bad then Cug,I thought you were a member.

I saw it as OTO as the org and Thelema as your religion.

In III,44 & III,45 Crowley took to refer to the "office" of the Scarlet Woman and not just Rose.

I dont understand "office" as to refer to them both?

Is there another way you could explain this?

Originally posted by gps777
I saw it as OTO as the org and Thelema as your religion.

Thelema is the religion, but the O.T.O. is just a group that happens to have/support that religion. They in no way lead, or officiate it.

I dont understand "office" as to refer to them both?

Is there another way you could explain this?

The Scarlet Woman is the title he gave to his girlfriends who took part in his spreading Thelema. In most cases they were the serious relationships in his life and not the flings.

Originally posted by Cug


The Scarlet Woman is the title he gave to his girlfriends who took part in his spreading Thelema. In most cases they were the serious relationships in his life and not the flings.

Understood now,though confusing having read that Crowley thought that women were incapable of understanding.(well along those lines) only then to call those women closest to him his office, that I read earlier today,somewhere

Edit to add
Though as you said to spread it,maybe they didn`t have to understand it?

[edit on 25-3-2007 by gps777]

Originally posted by gps777

Understood now,though confusing having read that Crowley thought that women were incapable of understanding.(well along those lines) only then to call those women closest to him his office, that I read earlier today,somewhere

I don't blame you for being confused, Crowley was a very complex person. Yes he did say some nasty stuff about women.. but he said nasty stuff about every sex, class, race, whatever. However for his time such talk was pretty common. That does not make it right however.

I don't think I have ever come across a Thelemite who thought Crowley was someone to model your personal life upon, his magical life yes, but not his personal life. I think that's the reason why many Christians have a problem with him, they are used to Christ as a role model for their life, so when they think of Crowley they believe we Thelemites think of him as a Christ like figure as well.

What we look at for guidance are the works that are called Class A (our "holy books") Where you can find things like.

The Book of the Law
I,3 Every man and every woman is a star.

If Men are stars and Women are stars then they are equal, there is no difference between them.

I,4 Every number is infinite; there is no difference.

Again restates the same thing using a different metaphor.

Yep, it was basically a mish-mash of atheism and occultism, rolled into one. Satanists of the official variety, would very much agree with its tenants - do what thou will, shall be the whole of the law. My personal theory on it at this time is, that it was a Masonic and later Nazi (white supremacist) based cult that grew to prominence because of its absolute disrespect for human life if it wasn't white, european and paganistic. It seems to tie in quite well to several of the cults swirling around Hitler and Nazi Germany, including Theosophy and the whole aryan race mumbo jumbo.

On a slightly different note, I've done alot of biblical prophecy study over the years. I've read prophecy interpretations of the early church fathers, all the way up to modern interpretations. I've read opposing viewpoints, and people like Crowley and Parsons who just use bits and pieces of it to make themselves look as evil as possible to christians, practicing jews, buddhists, hindus and muslims, as a sign of disrespect for any notion that there might be some force in the universe larger than their egos.

My current belief is that the wounded head of the antichrist is the same beast that Nazism represented, which was itself based on prior leaders of empires of world domination. The premise that man is the ultimate power in his universe, white man specifically. Women are a sort of convenience and when they become a hindrance, they are tossed out like yesterday's garbage, as Crowley mentions in his texts. Sex with wild abandon is a nice perk to the whole man-woman thing but if the woman actually has some respect for her body, she's tossed out like the rest of "whores." The man was insane. On one hand his women had to be whores, and on the other hand,if they were an inconvenience to him, they were whores. He didn't know if a whore was a good thing or a bad thing, and it appears to have been all jumbled up in his head. All he knew was, they were to be used like paper cups and kept only as long as they didn't lose their shape and spring a leak somewhere.



So the analogy of the orange that The Hooded Man provided was pretty much what I expected regarding "doing your will shall be the whole of the law." Notice, they say this kinda crap and then turn around and exact their own laws and "religous" precepts, and the people who get involved, ignore that irony because free sex and secret brotherhoods sounds like a pretty good deal. It surprises me to hear there are any women even remotely interested in that stuff.

Evolutionary theory, based on the prejudice babblings of Darwin, is nothing but science and nazism/white supremacy in a neat little package, presented to the consumer as fact. The premise is that white man is the most highy evolved form of life on the planet, that caucasian males, above all other life forms, are the most visited by the "gods" of evolution (there are branches of thought off of this such as the idea that whites are the offspring of extra-terrestrials who modified and upgraded the black man, who was himself an offspring of an extra-terrestrial modification of apes, cro-magnon or neandethrals).

And the next evolutionary leap was supposed to have weeded out all inferior life forms, such as black people or people who actually believe in a supernatural force other than white man, himself. Hitler attempted to accelerate that process, believing himself to be the hand of the "gods" of evolution. Not that he actually believed in gods, per sey, but evolution to such a level of authority over the elements, required the resources of the planet be efficiently used by those most deserving of it and most capable of rising to the occassion, which of course, he deemed to be the white european male.

All this nonsense and death over the belief that white men are the pinnacle of intelligent life on the planet, lead to huge schools of thought regarding atheism and science. And unbeknownst to most of us, our learning institutions are teaching this very thing in our schools in the guise of science. We are drinking at the trough of the nazis and actually thinking its tasty.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the scientific world, the former nazi scientists of Hitler's regime were smuggled out of Germany and brought here to run our rocket and space program. Just takes a couple more dots to connect this event to Parsons, JPL and NASA. Is it any wonder they are hiding information regarding the level of technology at their disposal ? They plan on using the resources of the moon, insitu (had they admitted this a generation or two ago, this woulda hit the fan like a load of cow manure). our children will never realize the benefits of space exploration because the best of everything is being hoarded by the evolved white atheist male, and even then, only the elite evolved white atheist male. What you don't know, will keep you enslaved.



[edit on 25-3-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
Yep, it was basically a mish-mash of atheism and occultism, rolled into one. Satanists of the official variety, would very much agree with its tenants - do what thou will, shall be the whole of the law.

Actuality Satanists would/do hate it. Like your guest said it does not mean do what you like. it means find your will and follow it, and only it. Really if you think about it it's quite harsh. if it's your will to be a street sweeper, that's all you can do. If you try to become a doctor, a stock broker, a baker you will find it very hard with obstacles thrown in the way at every turn.

You often hear stories about how a person who is in what many would consider a great job, say a supermodel, doctor, whatever quits their "good" job to become a baker, or a goat farmer and are much happer with their life.. that is the result of Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

So the analogy of the orange that The Hooded Man provided was pretty much what I expected regarding "doing your will shall be the whole of the law."

He was not able to finish that analogy. If two people believe it's their will to eat that particular orange.. they fight for it! but fight as brothers not as foes. (AL III,59. As brothers fight ye!) To expand a bit, say two people feel that their will is to fill the same job opening at a company the also fight for it. In this case the fight manifests at the job interview when each does their best to present themselves as the best person for the job.

Women are a sort of convenience and when they become a hindrance, they are tossed out like yesterday's garbage, as Crowley mentions in his texts.

Again another character flaw in Crowley. But it did not just apply to women.. Anyone who Crowley thought was a hindrance was tossed. male or female. I can not speak for female Thelemites, so perhaps you should seek some out and see how they really feel.

Originally posted by undo
Evolutionary theory, based on the prejudice babblings of Darwin, is nothing but science and nazism/white supremacy in a neat little package, presented to the consumer as fact.

The Bible is the prejudice babblings of God, is nothing but blind faith and Christian supremacy in a neat little package, presented to the consumer as fact.

christian supremacy? that's an oxymoron.
just in case you missed it, the old testament was a hebrew book for thousands of years before christians saw it/read it. so if you're condemning God as prejudice, you're condemning the God of at least 2 large groups of people. i don't think it was a case of prejudice. i think they had a problem with alien hybrids. but for that to make sense, you've have to go back through the scriptures and ancient texts of other cultures.

it was a satirical commentary on your personal opinion of evolution theory and darwin.

[edit on 26-3-2007 by shaunybaby]

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undo, your obviously misinformed and prejudicial rant on darwinism has actually led you to be the very first person i've ever put on my ignore list.

how can a theoy be racially supremacist if it's something that applies to species?

how can it be occultist, satanist, etc if it's a purely secular scientific theory?

um, both of those are rhetorical

wow, never been on anyone's ignore list before.

am I really on your ignore list, Madness? is that like
censoring over a difference in belief, kinda like book
burning only in this case, post burning? interesting.

darwin was admittedly a racist. he thought black men were evolved from apes, and white people were just more evolved than black people. evolutionary theory=racism with university level approval.

the facts is just the facts.



[edit on 26-3-2007 by undo]

The Fathers of Evolutionary Theory

Darwin:

At some future period not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes...will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest Allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as the baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla (1874, p. 178).

Huxley (“Darwin’s Bulldog”):

No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man. And if this be true, it is simply incredible that, when all his disabilities are removed, and our prognathus relative has a fair field and no favour, as well as no oppressor, he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried out on by thoughts and not by bites (1871, p. 20).

Osborn:

The Negroid stock is even more ancient than the Caucasian and Mongolian, as may be proved by an examination not only of the brain, of the hair, of the bodily characters such as teeth, the genitalia, the sense organs, but of the instincts, the intelligence. The standard of intelligence of the average Negro is similar to that of the eleven-year-old youth of the species Homo sapiens (1980, 89:129).

REFERENCES

Darwin, Charles (1874), The Descent of Man (New York: A.L. Burt Co.), second edition.

Huxley, Thomas H. (1871), Lay Sermons, Addresses and Reviews (New York: Appleton).

Osborn, Henry Fairfield (1980), “The Evolution of the Human Races,” Natural History, 89:129, April; reprinted from Natural History, 1926.

www.apologeticspress.org...

[edit on 26-3-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
darwin was admittedly a racist. he thought black men were evolved from apes, and white people were just more evolved than black people. evolutionary theory=racism with university level approval.

the facts is just the facts.
[edit on 26-3-2007 by undo]

Many people have proposed that.. there are 3 different sub species of human, they separate by asian, black and white..

The hypothesis of how we evolved is not "racist" nor is it backwards in any way.. just a hypothesis.. if someones feelings are hurt in the process thats really to bad..

Religion has only covered up science.. I there for trust Science over Religion.. Unless you can prove religion right?

Rockpuck,

Interesting comments.

Question to a Mason: So what exactly is the criteria to become a mason?
Answer from Mason: You must believe in a god, a supernatural being, is the first requirement.

The real test of this particular damage control statement is in the way its employed. How does one believe and not believe at the same time? I think I know the answer to this but want to hear you say it.

I direct you to re-read your comment. "Religion" is the problem. Of course, "Religion" is the definition of believing in a god or supernatural being, the first rule of Apophis (sorry, wrong TV show).. I mean, the first rule of masonry.

Your comment regarding "feelings hurt" was really eye-opening. Thank you for the confirmation of my theory. What-a-pal.

to keep in with the topic.. 'undo' are you saying evolutionists such as darwin and anyone that pushes the evolution arguement are part of the anti-christian conspiracy.. and that they're also slightly racist?

Originally posted by shaunybaby
to keep in with the topic.. 'undo' are you saying evolutionists such as darwin and anyone that pushes the evolution arguement are part of the anti-christian conspiracy.. and that they're also slightly racist?

No because it has been so engrained into the educational institutions that almost everyone accepts it as gospel. So many who dont have a single prejudice bone in their bodies, still are believing what appears to be racist science theories. The theories uphold the caucasian (male) as the pentultimate species on the planet, who simply needs to be relieved of his belief in supernatural powers to make the final evolutionary step.