Vitamin D deficiency & Coronavirus

yes, sunshine or d3....and for sure with d3 goes Elderberry.....virus killers, yup. so through the winter maybe pilgrims pride C and Elderberry everyday specially since I'm not springy anymore stuff like that

oh weren't those the days...we lay in the haze, forget the present time
drunk all the time, feeling fine on Elderberry wine

a reply to: Kenzo
I have often wondered whether smoking can inhibit these virus's and hence the world wide push to stop smoking, here in Australia a packet of 25's are over 30$.

a reply to: YouSir

I take them every now and then , i should take them everyday though and add calcium tablets too since i have a dairy product allergy too.

Im not gonna lie though , i don't take that good of care of myself , wich will probably gonna bite me in the rear when im older.

a reply to: mazzroth


I would thought that there is more negative health effects than positive from smoking, smoking is harmfull to cilia cells in lungs..

Cilia and Respiratory Infections
Your airways are lined with tiny brush like hairs, called cilia. The cilia sweep out mucus and dirt so your lungs stay clear. Smoking temporarily paralyzes and even kills cilia. This makes you more at risk for infection. Smokers get more colds and respiratory infections than non-smokers.

Health effects of smoking


Besides....i would not voluntarily inhale Polonium-210 and Lead-210 in to lungs


Cigarette smoking and radiation



Alexander Litvinenko was killed with Polonium-210 by Russian GRU agent ....

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: tanstaafl
Oh no!!! [ [ shiver shiver myself just hearing that ] ] I'm so sorry! But thanks for the heads up -- and taking the hit for me. Much appreciated!

It's funny, because I am the kind of person that can gag down almost anything if I know it is good for me - but there was no way with that stuff...

"They'd save a lot of lives (maybe all of them) if they'd send IV vit C with instructions on the dosages required (must be very high, like 75G per session high)."

Yes, I've seen (if I remember correctly) 75,000 mg per day for three or five days. I believe Dr. Klenner (who first touted high-dose Vitamin C back in the '30s) used 5500 or 6000 g per day for three to five days for polio and measles.

Yes, there is a long history of the safe and effective use of high dose IV Vit C for all kinds of things, it is more effective than any of the drug cocktails they use, and far far cheaper.

"Oral C is great, but I wouldn't mess around if it was my parents (or kids, or myself if it got serious)."

I agree in principle and theory... but with hospitals being the hot mess they are, I'm not sure I can agree in practice!

You don't have to go to a hospital, there are lots of little practices here in Atlanta that provide lots of different IV services - Vit C, H202, Ozone Autohemotherapy (the safe form of IV ozone), Vitamins, etc...

Liposomal C would probably be a good compromise, if we could be sure of its quality.

Agreed! I was really excited when I first learned about it, bought an ultrasonic device to make my own, and even started playing around with making liposomal versions of other things (like MSM, an extremely powerful supplement you might want to look into), but never really had any satisfaction from it, and eventually dropped it.

Having said all that, I keep lots of Vitamin C on hand -- powder, tablets and liposomal gelcaps -- because all are better than none at all.

Agree as well... best way, especially when sick, especially in light of the CV, is to use the 'bowel tolerance' method (stay just below the amount that causes loose bowels) to slowly ramp up your dose until you can get to at least 10-15 grams per dose, 2 or 3 times per day.

Great conversation, thanks for participating!

originally posted by: rickymouse
Ever hear of hypercalcemia? www.health.harvard.edu...

Skip the point of toxicity, concentrate on overall health benefit before trying to push vitamin D. Yes, the RDA is a little low, but not all that much.

Yes I have, and yes, you are correct that no one should start any serious supplementation regimen without knowing what they are doing. That goes without saying when you take your own health into your own hands and stop blindly listening to the medical establishment that knows almost nothing about achieving and maintaining vital health, but instead all they know is how to define the bare minimums necessary to prevent certain diseases or symptoms.

Any Vit D study that doesn't mention the difference between synthetic D2 and D3 from natural sources isn't even worth reading, because the differences in how these substances work in the body are night and day.

Any time I start mega dosing on anything - after much research into potential benefits (I don't just do this for anything or any reason), the first thing I do is determine the risk, and familiarize myself with any/all of the signs of toxic overdosing, and watch carefully for those.

I don't take high doses of D3 all the time, only when I think I may need it, but I'll absolutely keep a lot of 10,000IU capsules on hand for the next couple of years until the CV thing works its way into our lives (as apparently it is going to do).

A little knowledge is dangerous, lots of knowledge makes it so you need to research more to gain more knowledge.

Agreed, and agreed...

originally posted by: CJCrawley
I'm currently D deficient and taking 40,000 units a week...that's 1gram in old money. Normally, recommended intake is counted in micrograms, so yeah, that's a lot.

Also folic acid deficient and I'm on 5mg a day. Which, again, is a humungous dose.

What gives, am I coming apart?

My doctor wont flat out admit it but it's only since I was taking an evil drug called atorvastatin.

Fancy having the fitness levels of an 85 year old asthmatic?

That's what it was like.

Ugh... yes this is a serious problem.

Anyone who wants to get healthy, the very first thing they need to do is write down all of the prescription medications they are taking, and figure out what they need to do to get off of them completely.

First on the list is any statins for cholesterol - just throw them in the trash, and forget about your cholesterol, since there is absolutely ZERO link between cholesterol and heart disease/risk of heart attack. The enemy is inflammation.

Then the rest. Use your head. Some meds can be dangerous to just stop, work with your doctor to get off of them, if they aren't in agreement with your goal, find another doctor.

originally posted by: Oleman
Keep in mind that D3 is also a popular very powerful rodenticide that has unfortunate side effects of killing cats and dogs.

If you are considering any high dose D3, please study why it is extremely important to take Vitamin K2-MK7 with it.

Thanks! I learn something new every day.

Had no idea that D3 was a rodenticide!

Also, I do remember seeing a reference to K2 and D3 together, but never pursued it, because I eat a lot of raw organic sauerkraut (my wife has a business making and selling raw organic fermented foods and drinks like sauerkraut, beet kvass, Jun, etc so its always around the house), which are supposed to be high in K2. That said, I will definitely amend my protocol to include that nugget whenever talking to people - and not everyone wants to eat raw organic sauerkraut every day.

originally posted by: drewlander
Ive been talkimg about d3 ridding me of asthma for a while now. Im not sure its a cure for coronavirus but it does help me quite a bit with my lung function and breathing. Just 5k iu /day, liposomal.

Never heard of Liposomal D3. I'm still not sure I'm sold on this tech, too many unknowns, and the cost for commercially prepared liposomal products are much higher.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: CJCrawley
I'm currently D deficient and taking 40,000 units a week...that's 1gram in old money. Normally, recommended intake is counted in micrograms, so yeah, that's a lot.

Also folic acid deficient and I'm on 5mg a day. Which, again, is a humungous dose.

What gives, am I coming apart?

My doctor wont flat out admit it but it's only since I was taking an evil drug called atorvastatin.

Fancy having the fitness levels of an 85 year old asthmatic?

That's what it was like.

Ugh... yes this is a serious problem.

Anyone who wants to get healthy, the very first thing they need to do is write down all of the prescription medications they are taking, and figure out what they need to do to get off of them completely.

First on the list is any statins for cholesterol - just throw them in the trash, and forget about your cholesterol, since there is absolutely ZERO link between cholesterol and heart disease/risk of heart attack. The enemy is inflammation.

Then the rest. Use your head. Some meds can be dangerous to just stop, work with your doctor to get off of them, if they aren't in agreement with your goal, find another doctor.

Statins are notorious for causing a D3 deficiency. There are doctors that specialize in evaluating excess medications, they usually take you off of half the meds when they see your side effects. The wife and I know a half a dozen people who have had that done and they wound up getting off most of their meds and feel great now, a big difference. The specialist just changed the class of a certain med to treat the initial diagnosis and that took away half the need for the other meds to treat symptoms of the initial med that caused the problem. It isn't cheap because there are copays on the tests they need to run, but it is worth it. The copay of the reduction of meds pays it back over a year and they all felt better.

The doctors often give a second and third med to cover up or try to neutralize the side effects, that leads to new side effects.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Statins are notorious for causing a D3 deficiency. There are doctors that specialize in evaluating excess medications, they usually take you off of half the meds when they see your side effects. The wife and I know a half a dozen people who have had that done and they wound up getting off most of their meds and feel great now, a big difference. The specialist just changed the class of a certain med to treat the initial diagnosis and that took away half the need for the other meds to treat symptoms of the initial med that caused the problem. It isn't cheap because there are copays on the tests they need to run, but it is worth it. The copay of the reduction of meds pays it back over a year and they all felt better.

The doctors often give a second and third med to cover up or try to neutralize the side effects, that leads to new side effects.

Great post. Yes, and again, the very best reason to do everything in your power to get off of all of them.

Prescription drugs should never be looked at as a permanent necessity... imo...

originally posted by: JourneyAbout

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Guess redheads will be immune


(Fistpump) - YES!

I know right!!!! FINALLY...a positive for me!!! I guess that makes up for the horse sized injections I have to get to get numb at the dentist.

Hahaha No doubt!

Something that doesn't actually go against us for once!

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
yes, sunshine or d3....and for sure with d3 goes Elderberry.....virus killers, yup. so through the winter maybe pilgrims pride C and Elderberry everyday specially since I'm not springy anymore stuff like that

oh weren't those the days...we lay in the haze, forget the present time
drunk all the time, feeling fine on Elderberry wine

Awesome... I just made 7 Gallons of Elderberry wine. I still have 4+ gallons of Black Currant I made some 8 months ago. Still sitting in the cask/charboi. Guess I got just too damn lazy to bottle it. Hell... Might not even need to now

Either gonna be a lot of well people in my building or a lot of partying drunk people. Either works for me.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
First on the list is any statins for cholesterol - just throw them in the trash, and forget about your cholesterol, since there is absolutely ZERO link between cholesterol and heart disease/risk of heart attack. The enemy is inflammation.

The doctor tried to put me on a statin and the side effects were awful. The joint pain was not something I needed as I have enough issues with that due to inflammation in my joints from arthritis. Every time I went back, he'd ask if I was still taking the statins and I'd tell him "NO. The side effects were too much." He'd promptly shake his head and move on. No note was put in my files and no attempt was made to find another alternative. Next visit: same freaking question. It was like talking to a wall. I stopped going to him.

Not only that, but statins are hellaciously expensive to boot. Not wasting money on something that makes me feel worse.

I'm Vitamin D and B12 deficient. Not to mention waiting on test results for Pernicious Anemia. I guess the good thing is I was started on B12 shots. Also given large dose Prescription Vitamen D a couple months ago.

a reply to: tanstaafl

there is absolutely ZERO link between cholesterol and heart disease/risk of heart attack. The enemy is inflammation.

I agree with you. The medical model that cholesterol is the bad guy must be off because, if it were correct, statins would benefit absolutely everybody at risk of heart disease. But they don't.

All statins are very efficient at lowering cholesterol but less than 1% of people who take them derive any benefit.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: tanstaafl
All statins are very efficient at lowering cholesterol but less than 1% of people who take them derive any benefit.

Correct, but I'd add, virtually 100% experience some level of negative side effects, and more than half experience very serious side effects, even death.

a reply to: Kenzo

While I don't think the US has the D3 deficiency China has, I think the RDA is not up to the task in the US.
And when one is ill, more D3 helps.
I cannot find the study now, but the prison doctor gave some prisoners extra D3, and they had far few incidences of illness....cannot remember if it was cold, flus or both. There was a marked difference between the group that got it the D3 and those who did not. Don't remember the dosage, but it was not huge.

More info
news.harvard.edu...

originally posted by: Oleman
If you are considering any high dose D3, please study why it is extremely important to take Vitamin K2-MK7 with it.

A high dose of Vitamin D without Vitamin K2 increases arterial calcification. Vitamin K2 activates vascular GMP, a protein that prevents the deposition of calcium in soft tissues. This leads to a 50+% reduction in heart disease in regular Vitamin K2 users. The calcium instead goes into bone where it belongs, because Vitamin K2 activates osteocalcin which unlocks bones for calcium entry.

An intake of 1,500 mcg/day of MK-4 (menaquinone-4, menatetrenone) is necessary to observably carboxylate osteocalcin, while only 45 to 90 (average of 67.5) mcg/day of MK-7 (menaquinone-7) is necessary, so MK-7 is about 1,500 / 67.5 = 22 ~ 20 times more powerful. Therefore if a supplement contains Vitamin K2, but does not say what amount is in the form of MK-7, there is no way to know if it has enough MK-7 to have a significant effect.

People should take 45 to 120 mcg of Vitamin K2 MK-7 per day, or 1,000 to 3,000 mcg (1 to 3 mg) of Vitamin K2 MK-4 per day.

Multivitamins which have 45 to 120 mcg of Vitamin K2 MK-7, and organic magnesium, are Controlled Labs - Orange Triad Multi, Douglas Laboratories - Ultra Preventive X, Legion - Triumph Multivitamin, Naturelo - One Daily, and Naturelo - Whole Food. The only one daily multivitamin which has a sufficient amount of Vitamin K2 is Naturelo - One Daily, all the others require multiple capsules/tabs.

Once you have your Vitamin K2, then you can safely take high doses of Vitamin D3 forever. Vitamin D3 is also available in liquid form, which is preferable because you can't choke on it like with capsules.

a reply to: RumannXylo

Can you define what is considered a high does of Vitamin D3?

Also, what if you take divided doses....we take 2000 IU 3 times a day in the winter.
More when we are sick, or trying to avoid illness---like now.
And 2000 IU once a day from March-October.