Vitamin D deficiency & Coronavirus

We have the major coronavirus epidemic/pandemic in China and few other places. I am not sure, but i suspect that vitamin D can have something to do how individuals can handle it, some have mild ,some have serious and critical, and some die to it.

I looked up what is known about the vitamin D status in Chinese population generally , and it seems like deficiency is common there and even severe deficiency in some part of people. We could maybe connect the dots here and hypothesize that with low vitamin D status comes lower immunity ?

I just add the links here for reading...i wanted to emphasize this now, as we have a new coronavirus traveling now about everywhere i guess, and so the importance of adequate vitamin D is , i suppose quite important for managing it.


Google search


Targeted prevention needed to battle severe vitamin D deficiencies in Chinese urban populations


A Comparison Study of Vitamin D Deficiency among Older Adults in China and the United States


Vitamin D status among the elderly Chinese population: a cross-sectional analysis of the 2010–2013 China national nutrition and health survey (CNNHS)


Prevalence of Vitamin D Inadequacy Among Chinese Postmenopausal Women: A Nationwide, Multicenter, Cross-Sectional Study


A glimpse of vitamin D status in Mainland China


Chinese have very low vitamin D - July 2013


China's Coronavirus can most likely be fought by Vitamin D


Vitamin D deficiency warning: Lack of the vitamin could increase risk of deadly condition



So now with this corona time, might be good idea to make sure you get " enough" vitamin D

So now with this corona time, might be good idea to make sure you get " enough" vitamin D

I probably got a huge deficiency , worrking in 3 shifts , in a Windowless Warehouse.

And when im off the job i mostly spend my time hanging in the house behind my computer.

Especially now i got nightshift , i go to bed when its dark and wake up when it starts to get dark.

The work though is pretty heavy and in a minus 25 degrees enviroment , and i been doing it all my adult life.

I hope my Immune system is developed enough to battle that illness.

a reply to: TheGreazel

Sounds bad, even the 3 shifts are a kill ...for me it would be.


You still have time to prepare, most likely.

I swithed to Lichen-based vegan vitamin D3 supplement recently, i dont know is it better but i like that it comes from vegetable and not that lanolin stuff yikes..

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: TheGreazel
I swithed to Lichen-based vegan vitamin D3 supplement recently, i dont know is it better but i like that it comes from vegetable and not that lanolin stuff yikes..

Interesting, didn't know there was another natural source, checking it out now, but...

What is wrong with lanolin sourced D3?

originally posted by: TheGreazel

So now with this corona time, might be good idea to make sure you get " enough" vitamin D

I probably got a huge deficiency , worrking in 3 shifts , in a Windowless Warehouse.

And when im off the job i mostly spend my time hanging in the house behind my computer.

Especially now i got nightshift , i go to bed when its dark and wake up when it starts to get dark.

The work though is pretty heavy and in a minus 25 degrees enviroment , and i been doing it all my adult life.

I hope my Immune system is developed enough to battle that illness.

Ummm...just take some vitamin D3 supplements...you'll be fine...

Also...Vitamin D3 helps to regulate emotions and combat the winter depression blues...





YouSir

a reply to: tanstaafl

Maybe lanolin based is perfectly okey, at least i dont know is there any studys that say it`s worse than veggie based, but
the few times i have buyed and taked just vegetable D3 i kinda feel it is better , but it may be just my own imagination too.

The chemical process they use , to get D3 from lanolin has make me concerned thought. I dont know exactly how they take it from Lichen...

The jury is out, anyone can use the D3 that feels ok. It would be interesting to hear what other people feel about vegetable D3 after taked it some time.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: tanstaafl
Maybe lanolin based is perfectly okey, at least i dont know is there any studys that say it`s worse than veggie based,

All other plant based D supplements are of the D2 variety, which is the bad kind.

Lichen based is the only plant based that is D3 (as I just recently learned thanks to you).

the few times i have buyed and taked just vegetable D3 i kinda feel it is better

, but it may be just my own imagination too.

The chemical process they use , to get D3 from lanolin has make me concerned thought. I dont know exactly how they take it from Lichen.

Also some kind of chemical process. Not sure if one or the other is better though.

The jury is out, anyone can use the D3 that feels ok.

Most are deficient, many extremely deficient, and supplementing D3 will help dramatically with almost any/all illnesses like flu, etc, and I would think it would help with CV too. It certainly can't hurt...

Cant go wrong with D3... but it must be D3 and in oil for absorption (Vitamin D is fat soluble, so must have some kind of fat with it).

I've read that the best sources for all fat soluble vitamins -- A, D, E -- are fermented cod and shark liver oils. Haven't really checked it out though.

We can also add Vitamin C to the list of helpful supplements:

Dr. Gifford-Jones: Why don’t we send a planeload of Medi-C Plus to China?

And at least one type of probiotic seems to be helpful as well:

Antiviral effects of a probiotic Enterococcus faecium strain against transmissible gastroenteritis coronavirus.

a reply to: Boadicea


Oh i forget to mention that indeed vitamin D need fat same time for absorption, thanks for remind...i will add a note about it

Yeeh Vitamin D3 , vitamin C , NAC , etc for prevent serious corona condition .


Edit: it`s over 4 hours so cant edit , but im sure people notice the fat thing.

Guess redheads will be immune


(Fistpump) - YES!

Vitamin D needs the sun to be converted correctly from the plant form of the vitamin. A deficiency can lower your immunity, but excess is not going to protect you any more, so having adequate amounts is necessary.

I do not take a vitamin D supplement, I tend to eat foods that contain it, always have. Calcium is necessary to help fight the virus, and adequate calcium is very important in our bodies. So a small vitamin D supplement combined with a small calcium supplement will work fine. You do not need mega doses. If you have a deficiency you may need a mega dose to jump start the body, doctors will prescribe a big supplement for a month. Then just a small supplement or foods higher in it are needed.

Too much Vitamin D can be harmful, it can cause calcification crystals to form in lots of places, not actually in places whee it should be going. If the vitamin D is low but Calcium is in the middle or higher range on a blood test, then most likely the person might have a good working system, whatever vitamin D is being created is being used by the body. There are some specialists that know how to interpret this properly, but many GPs did not spend the time being taught specifics of this. I know a woman that had major side effects from Vitamin D supplements from the doctor and her case is an example of what I mentioned, A low vitamin D score does not always mean the person is actually deficient..

originally posted by: Boadicea
Cant go wrong with D3... but it must be D3 and in oil for absorption (Vitamin D is fat soluble, so must have some kind of fat with it).

I've read that the best sources for all fat soluble vitamins -- A, D, E -- are fermented cod and shark liver oils. Haven't really checked it out though.

Correct, and yeah, I read that too a few years ago and got all excited and ordered some fermented cod liver oil - and it was the most disgusting, god-awful thing I've ever put in my mouth, almost threw up, but spit it out in time, and just tossed it.

-shiver- no thanks

Also, just fyi, the D3 doesn't have to be taken in oil, it just needs to be taken with fats, so with a goor ribeye is fine too.

We can also add Vitamin C to the list of helpful supplements:

Dr. Gifford-Jones: Why don’t we send a planeload of Medi-C Plus to China?

They'd save a lot of lives (maybe all of them) if they'd send IV vit C with instructions on the dosages required (must be very high, like 75G per session high).

Oral C is great, but I wouldn't mess around if it was my parents (or kids, or myself if it got serious).

originally posted by: rickymouse
Vitamin D needs the sun to be converted correctly from the plant form of the vitamin. A deficiency can lower your immunity, but excess is not going to protect you any more, so having adequate amounts is necessary.

Define excess. Hint: the RDA or whatever is woefully inadequate for what you need for health.

I do not take a vitamin D supplement, I tend to eat foods that contain it, always have.

Most people will never get enough D from plain food sources, or even the sun these days. Supplementation is extremely important for the vast majority, but anyone who is unsure should get their blood levels checked.

Too much Vitamin D can be harmful,

Define 'too much'. Define 'harmful'.

The one study everyone points to to claim that Vitamin D is toxic was done with synthetic D2. D3 does not have the same concerns that D2 has, especially the synthetic version (I've never heard of a comparison between synthetic and natural D2).

As proof that the concerns for natural D3 are - well... slightly overblown - you only need look at a real world case of super extreme D3 overdosing that happened, by accident (it was a manufacturing/formulation mistake) to Gary Null, who took, he figures, about 2,000,000 (thats 2 million) IU per day for about a month. He ended up extremely sick, and says he almost died, but ultimately was able to detox and fully recover after about 3 months.

So, yes, as always, you have to use your head.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Correct, and yeah, I read that too a few years ago and got all excited and ordered some fermented cod liver oil - and it was the most disgusting, god-awful thing I've ever put in my mouth, almost threw up, but spit it out in time, and just tossed it.

-shiver- no thanks

Oh no!!! [ [ shiver shiver myself just hearing that ] ] I'm so sorry! But thanks for the heads up -- and taking the hit for me. Much appreciated!

Also, just fyi, the D3 doesn't have to be taken in oil, it just needs to be taken with fats, so with a good ribeye is fine too.

Good distinction -- thank you. And I love how you think!

They'd save a lot of lives (maybe all of them) if they'd send IV vit C with instructions on the dosages required (must be very high, like 75G per session high).

Yes, I've seen (if I remember correctly) 75,000 mg per day for three or five days. I believe Dr. Klenner (who first touted high-dose Vitamin C back in the '30s) used 5500 or 6000 g per day for three to five days for polio and measles.

Oral C is great, but I wouldn't mess around if it was my parents (or kids, or myself if it got serious).

I agree in principle and theory... but with hospitals being the hot mess they are, I'm not sure I can agree in practice!

Liposomal C would probably be a good compromise, if we could be sure of its quality. I know there are several on the market now, but how does one judge their efficacy? Rhetorical question of course... we can't.

Having said all that, I keep lots of Vitamin C on hand -- powder, tablets and liposomal gelcaps -- because all are better than none at all.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: rickymouse
Vitamin D needs the sun to be converted correctly from the plant form of the vitamin. A deficiency can lower your immunity, but excess is not going to protect you any more, so having adequate amounts is necessary.

Define excess. Hint: the RDA or whatever is woefully inadequate for what you need for health.

I do not take a vitamin D supplement, I tend to eat foods that contain it, always have.

Most people will never get enough D from plain food sources, or even the sun these days. Supplementation is extremely important for the vast majority, but anyone who is unsure should get their blood levels checked.

Too much Vitamin D can be harmful,

Define 'too much'. Define 'harmful'.

The one study everyone points to to claim that Vitamin D is toxic was done with synthetic D2. D3 does not have the same concerns that D2 has, especially the synthetic version (I've never heard of a comparison between synthetic and natural D2).

As proof that the concerns for natural D3 are - well... slightly overblown - you only need look at a real world case of super extreme D3 overdosing that happened, by accident (it was a manufacturing/formulation mistake) to Gary Null, who took, he figures, about 2,000,000 (thats 2 million) IU per day for about a month. He ended up extremely sick, and says he almost died, but ultimately was able to detox and fully recover after about 3 months.

So, yes, as always, you have to use your head.

Ever hear of hypercalcemia? www.health.harvard.edu...

Skip the point of toxicity, concentrate on overall health benefit before trying to push vitamin D. Yes, the RDA is a little low, but not all that much. If you eat all processed foods, you can become deficient, but if you eat foods containing decent amounts, you will rarely become deficient unless you have some of the Genetic snps that warrant needing supplementation. I do not have any of those snps, I actually have snps that will show low levels because I process vitamin D really well. The majority of people do not have snps that will cause a deficiency.

My wife on the other hand did have some problems with lower than medium normal calcium levels in the blood but she shows no signs of osteoporosis from her bone scans. Even before she was taking vitamin D supplements. When she went into the doctors a few years ago they told her her vitamin D levels were low, she was told to take a supplement for a month, then levels were fine. She now takes a smaller vitamin D supplement about three times a week and she just had her bloodwork level done and she is above the middle in her blood. That is all you need.

They give people calcium channel blockers as medicine....think about why that may be that people need their calcium channels blocked. I, and most doctors, would not recomment high doses of Vitamin D unless blood tests showed a deficiency or calcium levels were low or there was signs the body was taking calcium out of the bone reserves. Even then doctors prescribe a type of pyrophosphate to restore the calcium in the bones, phosphorous is needed to chelate the reaction. Calcium and phosphorous need to be in proper proportions in our bodies, same with magnesium. Elevated calcium without adequate Magnesium can lead to leg cramps. Mustard has isothiocyanates in it which attaches to the calcium receptors and blocks them from having the muscles stuck on. I can go on for many paragraphs of what too high vitamin D could lead to in the body, too much is not good.

You are looking at the wrong research, look at research on both sides, do not take improper interpretations from people, some professional, on the net, that is their opinion of the research. Know the symptoms of what too much calcium can do to the body. I cannot tell you whether you should take extra because of genetics, I can only tell you to beware.

Even constant higher than normal B complex vitamins can cause heart problems....something that they are supposed to help.

If you want the whole story, research what I am talking about, look at NIH, Medcell, NHS, Medscape, and journal research articles. Look at how to apply the information in the summery or discussion areas. Lots of people get problems from too much Vitamin D, it is not just a few people. Who wants things starting to fuse or cartilage lumps on the joints, I took vitamin D supplements years ago, along with Calcium, felt great, then went to the doctors because I had lumps forming on my joints. My brother did not listen to me, it triggered his spondolytis, autoimmune diseases love extra calcium to power their fight. The doctor told me to stop taking the supplements, he said my body was storing it like a chipmunk, he was right, two years later the lumps were gone, two years with no supplements and restricting calcium from my diet, feeling tired till I could start eating higher calcium stuff again.

A little knowledge is dangerous, lots of knowledge makes it so you need to research more to gain more knowledge.

I'm currently D deficient and taking 40,000 units a week...that's 1gram in old money. Normally, recommended intake is counted in micrograms, so yeah, that's a lot.

Also folic acid deficient and I'm on 5mg a day. Which, again, is a humungous dose.

What gives, am I coming apart?

My doctor wont flat out admit it but it's only since I was taking an evil drug called atorvastatin.

Fancy having the fitness levels of an 85 year old asthmatic?

That's what it was like.

Well thats good im fully stocked

I do tend to suffer with seasonal depression from lack of vit d, i believe the technical term is SAD, never realized what was going on for many years, just used to become low and feeling depressed around early Jan to late Feb or march, a gradual thing...come march i just felt like i was suffocating and needed to escape for some winter sun, as soon as the summer was here id feel a million bucks again so to speak

Weird, as i never used to get like that as a kid or late teens, i generally loved winter months

Seasonal affective disorder (SAD)

The symptoms of seasonal affective disorder (SAD) are similar to those of normal depression, but they occur repetitively at a particular time of year.

They usually start in the autumn or winter and improve in the spring.

The nature and severity of SAD varies from person to person. Some people just find the condition a bit irritating, while for others it can be severe and have a significant impact on their day-to-day life.

I wouldn't ever consider anti depressants for something that's only just started to occur for a couple of months a year so, so just stocking up on d vit has kept me above water

A 2014 study published in the journal Medical Hypotheses suggested that low vitamin D could contribute to the development of SAD. The study authors said vitamin D can play a role in the production of serotonin and dopamine, the “happy chemicals” in the brain that are often low when someone has depression. However, another study published in 2014 by Danish researchers found that vitamin D supplementation didn’t directly improve SAD symptoms.

Did for me *shrugs*

I am a big believer in 100,000 iu D3 once/week for both the immune system stimulation effects, and the cancer killing effects.

BUT, I do it under supervision of my General Practice Doctor! Keep in mind that D3 is also a popular very powerful rodenticide that has unfortunate side effects of killing cats and dogs.

If you are considering any high dose D3, please study why it is extremely important to take Vitamin K2-MK7 with it.

originally posted by: StallionDuck
Guess redheads will be immune


(Fistpump) - YES!

I know right!!!! FINALLY...a positive for me!!! I guess that makes up for the horse sized injections I have to get to get numb at the dentist.

Ive been talkimg about d3 ridding me of asthma for a while now. Im not sure its a cure for coronavirus but it does help me quite a bit with my lung function and breathing. Just 5k iu /day, liposomal.