Corona Virus Updates Part 3

BNO reporting 1st cases in both Switzerland and mainland Spain. Inching closer. I think both had links with Italy

originally posted by: NxNWest
On the Canadian front (forgive me if any of this has been posted already... I wake up to pages of updates):

The tone continues to become more serious.

Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada’s Chief Public Health Officer said yesterday:

“The window of opportunity for containment – for stopping the global spread of the virus – is closing," Dr. Tam warned. “It also tells countries like Canada, who have been able to detect and manage imported cases thus far, that we have to prepare across governments, across communities and as families and individuals, in the event of more widespread transmission in our community.”

www.theglobeandmail.com...

Canada developed a pandemic response plan in 2009, which would serve as the foundation for any shift in the official response to the current outbreak, she said.

Canada’s Pandemic Plan

I note the message about preparing as families and individuals.

This morning, the Ottawa Citizen has a headline of:

Canadians being told to prepare for a possible novel coronavirus pandemic

The message includes stocking up on medicine, supplies to get through a week of sickness, etc.

The busy downtown Toronto is business as usual. The odd mask being worn and pharmacies having alcohol, wipes and gloves front and centre in aisle displays but that’s about it.

We have 11 confirmed positive in Canada. 3 recovered. A number of folks quarantined in Trenton (grim the original flight home from China) are expected to be released today.

OMG this post can't receive enough stars... to reiterate a Senior Gov. Official is telling everyone its time to STOCK-UP on Supplies

A few US Senators reactions to briefing on coronavirus today:

GOP Sen. Bill Cassidy said that at the end of today's briefing, the officials present actually said “it didn’t need to be” classified. Sen. Roy Blunt, a Republican, echoed that and said the senators didn’t hear anything “top secret.”

A key question, Democrat Whip Durbin said, is “whether or not [countries] will be aggressive in quarantine in cases and reduce the spread beyond their borders. We still have to wait to see.”

GOP Sen. Mike Braun of Indiana said “panicking about this does not make sense”

Whelp...my daughter's 8th grade class returned from Washington DC last week.(we are in Michigan) My daughter didn't go but a lot of her friends and classmates did...she came home from school yesterday and fell asleep on her bedroom floor.
She hates sleeping with a passion.
Now she is running a fever out of nowhere.

Called school they have started asking what the symptoms are. Usually it's just "ok hope she feels better.'
I asked the school if anything was going around - she said they do have some students out with just a fever others are complaining of head/stomach issues.

Strep and the flu have already been through the area in November. I'm lucky in the fact we are the family that 'doesn't get' the flu but, strep is another matter. My kids always seem to get it. Right now she doesn't have a sore throat though.
Either way virus time in my house.

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
The man in the article thought he had flu, but with everything going on, thought he should get it confirmed as flu to be safe and responsible. Insurance has been billed $3,270. ONLY $1400 for him.

I'm not sure what to say to this...

We've had our kids tested for flu before, no insurance, for less than $200 for the visit and the test.

???

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Village Idiot

I think China and Iran hid it until they couldn't. By then, it had blown up all out of proportion.ø

If they did hide it than the virus would have already spread couple of times around the globe at this point.

I have been really thinking about this entire situation and a couple of things jump out at me.

Hotels placing guests in lockdown/quarantine while awaiting testing for coronavirus.
Where have we seen this before?
Diamond Princess. That did not turn out very well and actually increased the number of infected.

I am worried about this trend. Hotel staff are Not Trained, just like the crew on the Diamond Princess, and mistakes, big ones are going to be made.
There is no competent leadership at the hotels to deal with this type of crisis. How are they going to treat all of the bedsheets, blankets, towels, curtains, dishes, cutlery,trays,trash ect.

We have seen how in China they had deployed crews to disinfect the streets and even the trash.
I doubt these hotels will be doing the same level of containment.

What about the staff that work there? Are they being quarantined as well. It is probably too late since the housekeeping staff, chefs, wait staff, janitorial staff, gardeners, van drivers, ect all come from the surrounding community. They either will be infected directly or indirectly.

Containment...LOL.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: tanstaafl

CDC refuses to test patients unless they have traveled to China or were in contact with a confirmed case! Only 400-something individuals have been tested in the US.

Absolute insanity!

So they should test every nutcase that comes in with a sneeze? How costly and time consuming would that be?

a reply to: GlobalGold

Where is the link to your source?

originally posted by: ARM1968
Just can’t stop myself wondering why China has responded so vigorously to something less potent than flu, and why they’ve lied so thoroughly about the death toll. Weird.

Yeah, and the only explanation (that makes real sense) is, what is happening in China is not CV, it is something else entirely, and they are covering it up with the CV. That, or there really will be additional waves that are devastating (hopefully not).

originally posted by: Thoughtful1
I have been really thinking about this entire situation and a couple of things jump out at me.

Hotels placing guests in lockdown/quarantine while awaiting testing for coronavirus.
Where have we seen this before?
Diamond Princess. That did not turn out very well and actually increased the number of infected.

I am worried about this trend. Hotel staff are Not Trained, just like the crew on the Diamond Princess, and mistakes, big ones are going to be made.
There is no competent leadership at the hotels to deal with this type of crisis. How are they going to treat all of the bedsheets, blankets, towels, curtains, dishes, cutlery,trays,trash ect.

We have seen how in China they had deployed crews to disinfect the streets and even the trash.
I doubt these hotels will be doing the same level of containment.

What about the staff that work there? Are they being quarantined as well. It is probably too late since the housekeeping staff, chefs, wait staff, janitorial staff, gardeners, van drivers, ect all come from the surrounding community. They either will be infected directly or indirectly.

Containment...LOL.

Yes. I was wondering how they would ever adequately disinfect hotel rooms if someone tests positive. Not likely.

originally posted by: JSpader
a reply to: GlobalGold

Where is the link to your source?

It was on CNN's Live Updates, you'll need to scroll down a couple stories for info

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Is it coincidental that Trump is in India at a time American businesses are reconsidering their economic dependency on Chinese production?

What if there is no such thing as a C? What if the US Deep Gov / PTB deliberately dropped a strain in China and one in Iran and one in Italy. But they would never do that would they!!!

is that suggestive that the 'Tariff Wars' went extreme ? that China hoard of 'rare Earths' will be released ?
that the Summer work Visas for Indias' young people is getting Trippled instead of just Doubled ?
Does MAGA have a Dark Side ? the coronavirus19 is resetting the world-wide-Trade Paradigm, eh?

originally posted by: XCrycek

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: tanstaafl

CDC refuses to test patients unless they have traveled to China or were in contact with a confirmed case! Only 400-something individuals have been tested in the US.

Absolute insanity!

So they should test every nutcase that comes in with a sneeze? How costly and time consuming would that be?

How about even testing everyone that comes in with respiratory symptoms and a fever above 101F? I don't think even that is happening, is it?

originally posted by: TheIrvy2
"originally posted by: tanstaafl

But, again... you are looking at this backwards.

Our first and foremost goal should be to get real, actual, trustworthy numbers on the numbers of people who, having the virus, actually get symptoms, and of those, develop serious symptoms, and of those, develop serious enough symptoms to require hospitalization for treatment, and of those, how many die."

Great idea, you'd better get started. How many do you think you could get round in day, door to door around the world? You've got 7 billion people to test, but don't worry, that numbers going down every day.

Can you read? I said nothing about testing anyone, let alone the whole world en masse.

originally posted by: misfit312
Whelp...my daughter's 8th grade class returned from Washington DC last week.(we are in Michigan) My daughter didn't go but a lot of her friends and classmates did...she came home from school yesterday and fell asleep on her bedroom floor.
She hates sleeping with a passion.
Now she is running a fever out of nowhere.

Called school they have started asking what the symptoms are. Usually it's just "ok hope she feels better.'
I asked the school if anything was going around - she said they do have some students out with just a fever others are complaining of head/stomach issues.

Strep and the flu already been through the area in November. I'm lucky in the fact we are the family that 'doesn't get' the flu but, strep is another matter. My kids always seem to get it right now she doesn't have a sore throat though. Either way virus time in my house.

It's probably just stomach flu or strep. Good lord, did I just say "probably just..."? wow! I know here in IN and many other states there is a lot of schools having kids out sick this last few months. I will add your daughter to my prayer list that she will be well asap and you feel a peace about it. Hugs and take care

Btw, there is talk about corona virus in Barcelona. You know how many tourists visit Barcelona each and every day?
There's no stopping this.
They can't possibly find out who has been in contact with the carrier in freaking Barcelona. We will see hundred and hundreds infected in Spain very soon.
This is going to spread around the Europe very fast.

a reply to: tanstaafl

I 100% utterly agree with you. So worried for China..they're living in an apocalyptic nightmare movie!

Super Computers.
China leads the world with the most super computers. Then comes the U.S. and then Japan.
I don't know much about them but have heard numerous times how advanced they are and how quickly they can solve problems.
Of course this brings up the AI issue as well.
I would imagine that they would have been used but no solution to date?
Does that mean that there is something very odd about this virus that deviates significantly from the norm?

I am sure there are some ATS members who could shed some light on this. It is one area that has not come under any scrutiny.
Many thanks.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ARM1968
Just can’t stop myself wondering why China has responded so vigorously to something less potent than flu, and why they’ve lied so thoroughly about the death toll. Weird.

Yeah, and the only explanation (that makes real sense) is, what is happening in China is not CV, it is something else entirely, and they are covering it up with the CV. That, or there really will be additional waves that are devastating (hopefully not).

Because its more potent than flu!! The question is, what is it? If it is killing hundreds of thousands and continues to do so then its a bio-weapon. Where its come from or if its home engineered is another question. It got out either by accident from the Wufon lab or its been dropped nearby and also in Korea and Iran. The ConV could have been released to muddy the waters and to cover up whats really got out.

Reports of people just dropping dead in the street points to something more deadly than ConV or a Flu. And the killing of many children if that is the case. Incinerators, drastic measures? etc all point to something much worse than ConV.

Or could ConV have a undetectable chameleon component which re-infects in a more vicious and deadly way.