How Can a Senator Vote to Remove President Trump After Learning How He Makes Our Lives Better?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I agree federal socialism policies will not be efficient in America. Too much diversity across this nation, state vs state, even county vs county and city vs city.

I think such policies regarding healthcare and education should be done incriminately. Cities, counties, states, all have their own tax systems already. It will allow the actual residents an ability to test and improve it on a smaller scale regionally in applicable ways.

Re: OP thread: Trump making our lives better should have no bearing on their decisions in voting on Impeachment. Same as if one thought or believes their life has worsened because of Trump.

They should simply vote based on the actual facts provided in the trial by both sides.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Agreed and agreed.

Per first point... Federal government is out of control and hemorrhaging money. Let localities and states do initiatives, this gives us the option to opt out and move. Federal gives us no choice. The federal government needs to be dialed back to bare bones.

Second point was spot on too. The left should prove he did something heinous to justify removal.... Inversely, had he done something like that (I don't think he has), him "making life better" wouldn't make it OK.

People have forgotten what a trial is. You either get proven without a reasonable doubt of crime, and get punishment that fits the crime... Or you don't. That's that. And just because you work for a charity and do good things doesn't scrub something you did wrong. Same system for every (in an ideal world).

Trump is a brilliant strategist. Each time something comes up that Trump supporters and non-supporters believe would be detrimental to his position and legacy, he comes up with a way to spin it in his favor. I'm starting to think the negative press and negative statements are created by his own team as part of the overall scheme! Whatever it is, I hope he continues well into 2020 and I hope his son and eventually his daughter get to have great success in a Trump legacy.

The poster that said they would rather see the country destroyed than see Trump win was spot on. Every day I find myself just shaking my head at the never-Trumpers. Even when presented with the black and white numbers they still don't seem to get it. Maybe they're afraid they might actually have to work and pay their taxes and bills, or pay back their student loans? I dunno.

Our government is the new Hollywood.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: carewemust
My life is vastly similar to before his election, and I'd venture to guess that's the case for many Americans.

And many are better. We have 3 kids, so the doubling of the standard exemption and child tax credits helped us a lot - and I mean a lot.

Federal spending is still going up (congress, but he's signed off on some of it), debt is still increasing.

This is one are where I agree, but... there simply is not much he can do right now. He (as every President has been) is between a rock and a hard place.

So to me, he's similar to his predecessors.

But only with respect to the budget/spending/national debt - but again, what exactly do you expect him to do about it?

That said, I don't think he should be removed.

Gee - thats nice of you, considering he has not only done nothing wrong, he is and has been doing countless things right.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: CynConcepts
Federal government is out of control and hemorrhaging money. Let localities and states do initiatives, this gives us the option to opt out and move. Federal gives us no choice. The federal government needs to be dialed back to bare bones.

But this is nothing specifically to do with Trump, it has been this way for the last 75 years.

Second point was spot on too. The left should prove he did something heinous to justify removal.... Inversely, had he done something like that (I don't think he has),

What do you mean by 'that'? As has been pointed out, even if he had done what the Demwits are accusing him of, it would not be an impeachable offense.

More than 50% of Americans have less than $500 for an emergency,.

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

And whose fault is that?

a reply to: carewemust

Why is Bernie Sanders giving the response? Isn't that a conflict of interest since he is running for President?

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
More than 50% of Americans have less than $500 for an emergency,.

Many of those Americans do not have savings because they are buying beyond their means and not putting any thought into savings. If you increase their salary $100,000 a year, they still will not have $500 in savings.

That is a deficiency in our public education system.

a reply to: CynConcepts

Yeah this!
Hate it when people blame government for the fact that they can't or won't save money!

originally posted by: BoxerBrawler
a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

And whose fault is that?

The fault of low wages and monopolistic services.

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

I don't think so.

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Everytime they do these rebuttals it backfires. Bobby Jindal, the drooling red headed Kennedy and then the obese black woman who is still claiming she won a race she definitively lost.

Pretty much a political death sentence and probably why they want Bernie doing it. He'll get up there and complain how horrible things are despite a booming economy and record low unemployment. Not going to bring in moderates doing that stuff.

But you have to admit, there's no better platform for contrasting Republicans vs Democrats, than the State-of-the-Union event.

originally posted by: Chance321
a reply to: carewemust

Why is Bernie Sanders giving the response? Isn't that a conflict of interest since he is running for President?

That is OK.

What is not OK is the Chief Justice allowing Democrat Senators running for President, to have a vote in the Trump Impeachment trial.

a reply to: tanstaafl

He campaigned on reducing debt and called Obama out on it during his admin. While I know that it more of congresses job, he had a republican congress for two years and didn't get it done. His promises, not mine.

While I'm happy to hear many people feel helped.... I'm 30, and tax breaks for other people while we slide into debt just means my future will be screwed. I'm all for cutting taxes, in tandem with budget cuts though.

I wouldn't say he did nothing wrong... But I don't think it's impeachable. I don't agree with how he went about things, but I don't agree with how the dems are handling it either. They should try and win against him (I wouldn't vote for them, but they should try and do it the right way).

As far as him doing a lot right... I disagree. He's better than than the alternative, but he's kept the status quo for the most part. Are wheels are spinning, which is better than going in the wrong direction even faster.

How can a Senator "running for President" be allowed to vote on removing the person they are running against. They should recuse themselves and stop trying to interfere with the election.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
How can a Senator "running for President" be allowed to vote on removing the person they are running against. They should recuse themselves and stop trying to interfere with the election.

Two out of 100 votes. I don't think it's a game changer.

The flip side is they can't campaign during the trial (to the full extent)... They're required to be present.

Personally I think it kind of equals out.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: carewemust

what the hell ???????????????

if any president has broken the law , violated thier oath of office - and committed impeachable offences - then any sane sanator should vote impeach - if the evidence is compelling

is this a trick question ???

any " good things " - they have done - are irrelevant

having said that this impeachement is a farce - that even eclipses the brexit fiasco my nation has to endure - and trump should not be imbeached for the crap presented by the democrat idiots

It is pretty evident that Trump has not broken any laws, but some people who are deluded in their beliefs cannot comprehend that. Look at this from a legal standpoint. Even Biden with his corruptive policy in the Ukraine to make his son prosper did not break any laws on our books, but he may have broken international laws and for sure, Biden has had many relatives and friends benefit from his position...which also does not break laws, but we should pass some laws governing this practice. Maybe if we did pass some laws governing things like this we would get less corrupt people in congress.

What Biden did was far worse than anything Trump did. Biden did not even have his hat into the wringer for president when Trump started talking about investigating the Burisma issue, in fact, he said he was not going to run. So this is not a campaign against another presidential candidate, just an investigation into wrongdoings by a past Democratic VP and current Senator.

Now I never was concerned when Obama did an investigation into Trump and I am not concerned in Trump investigating the Democratic candidates to see if they are implants from another country or another countries citizen. But How the investigation into trump went crazy I do have a problem with and the fact that that fake dossier was used to smear a presidential candidate and president of a different party was way out of line. The Dems fabricating lies against their political rivalry is worse than anything Trump ever did. The Senators who participated in that should be removed from office. Even Obama stated that the progressive faction of the Democratic party must be refrained.

originally posted by: Chance321
a reply to: carewemust

Why is Bernie Sanders giving the response? Isn't that a conflict of interest since he is running for President?

The Hill says Bernie is delivering the Dem's SOTU Response: thehill.com...

CNN says Michigan's Governor, Gretchen Whitmer, is delivering it: www.cnn.com...

Maybe whoever gets to the microphone first?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: YouSir

While this whole thing is a sham, waste of resources, waste of elected officials time.... At least it's funny.

So far my favorite is Harry Potter got quoted and used. Also the Alaska might go to Russia under Trump is super hilarious. I probably should be sad that hyperbolic speculation is being used in a very rare legal proceeding at the highest levels... But all of this is a long time coming, so I'm going to at least laugh.

On the bright side, I'll celebrate any circus and clown show at this point. At least politicians aren't hiding anything anymore. There is no ruse of decorum or professionalism. It's clown world... And if the people don't wake up to it with it being this glaring, anything that happens to our government at this point is on us, the people.

We could all blame politicians, as easy of a cop out that is. But truth be told, it's still a Democratic republic. If less than half participate, and lesser than that actually actively involve themselves in keeping up with what's going on... Society is our problem, not the government.

Ummm...I could not disagree more...

Well...

I could...but that would render your point moot...and I'd get to laugh...


Society...and the populations it incorporates...are designed...

Incremental baby steps in a certain direction over years and decades...molds...shapes...and installs behavioral traits...

Education is the key...education and propaganda...


You are right in that...few actually pay attention and can see beyond all the hyperbole...
But in the herds defense...there is a reason media is called...programming...

Which would make free thinkers...the exception to the rule...not the norm...





YouSir