Corona Virus Updates Part 2

originally posted by: toysforadults
this is still complete horse# until proven otherwise

DOW up almost 500 today

I am almost at a loss for words with how many times you associate the stock market with a virus. The only thing they have in common at this point is that they are BOTH being propped up on artificial numbers.

Feb 5th CDC teleconference summary/notes:

No new confirmed cases. Remains at 11.

206 persons have tested negative.
76 pending.
Test kits will start shipping today to 100 US labs,

700-800 patient samples per kit. 100 kits to domestic US. 100 to international countries.

Individual state case counts will be more accurate than CDC.

4 more planes coming from Wuhan, China. All arriving at military bases: Travis in California, Marine in California, Lackland in Texas, Eppley in Nebraska.

"Now is the time to act."

Aggressively intervening to slow entry into the U.S.

Pandemic planning has been going on for years based on an influenza pandemic. Interpretation: everyone needs to implement their pandemic plans.

We (CDC) may not have planned for everything.

We (CDC) expect more travelers and their contacts to be diagnosed with 2019nCov.

National stockpile? How much equipment is available for hospitals, i.e. PPE? Stockpile is not under CDC domain. Actively working on projections for longer term. Health care workers have priority. Not advising regular US citizens to buy masks. Need to be sure health workers at risk have PPE. Evaluating period of time for expansion of this disease to determine quantity/inventories needed for PPE.

We (CDC) know that China initial case definitions focused on more severe cases. Do not yet know if case fatality rate of 2% is real or not.

Why quarantine now and not during H1N1? H1N1 was already at US border. Now have a chance to slow down entry of disease.

Vertical transmission from mother to unborn baby? It seems unusual. Don't know. Actively looking for this confirmation.

Confidence about this situation? Reached a peak? Efforts are successful? Need to be humble. No sign this has stopped. Premature to say it has slowed down. Preparing as if this is a pandemic.

a reply to: EndtheMadnessNow

No new confirmed cases. Remains at 11.

Just putting it on record (was discussed in earlier pages) 1st confirmed case in Wisconsin, so it's 12 confirmed cases in US

a reply to: FamCore

Just read your earlier reply to my post about the virus results coming back so quick. I don't have the answer, only posting updates as I find em but it does seem a little strange the US aren't giving virus updates as quick.

ncov.mohw.go.kr...

19th confirmed case in south korea

originally posted by: KindraLaBelle
a reply to: muzzleflash

I advise you and others to learn the basics of ATS and debate.

If you want to debate something specific, then why don't you open a new topic and have the time of your life proving ppl wrong over there?

This one is called "corona virus updates"

Some of us come here just for that: UPDATES!
not to hear you debating and saying the same thing over and over again.
while the actual new info and updates are buried

You guys are hardcore pro-censorship these days. Like how over 100 ppl wanted some guy censored and banned for life from ATS for questioning Trump the other week. Now yall want me censored too for questioning your beliefs.

ATS has a rule that prohibits "counter threads" if I remember correctly, and so I can't just go post a thread countering this one. So therefore you want me censored completely because then there'll be no "on topic" place to challenge the information presented in the OP and by followup contributors.

The reason the mods didn't request I stop posting in this thread is because I was on topic and within my space to post comments in here, which were all on topic because I'm just disagreeing and questioning yalls evidence which I consider to be the least credible of all (pure rumor and speculation).

I find it very interesting that yall support and desire censorship of opposing views. Things have changed a lot and it's worrying to know that one day soon censorship will be govt enforced because such a vast majority of you demand it.

So in my view, this virus update thread was a great learning experience for me. I found out that MANY ATS members refuse to listen to opposing views, will attack the messenger, and then demand censorship. They will tout rumor and skewed graphs to support their fantasy while denying any actual certified documentation from the most well reputed of all sources WITHOUT supplying any legitimate scientific reasoning to justify that rejection.

You know what this really does to me? It puts me back in that "feeling" where I get so upset with how unfair all of you are about information/sources and how ready yall are to make personal attacks to either derail into personal battles over ego or to bait into a ban - that I want to post in every single thread here and disagree with everyone just to vex your spirits as punishment for oppressing mine. It's like I'm the Devil's Advocate for real and I feel strongly compelled to defend him at every turn.

Anyways, I have every right as a poster to post in HERE and challenge the veracity of your updates. That IS an update itself too!

"Update: your updates are unsubstantiated rumors and hearsay!"

About the W.H.O., I don't just blindly support them. They just happen to reiterate my independent research. It's mere coincidence that when needing a source to back my claim I found they were there. In terms of their policies I generally disagree with almost everything they do, I'm against their cozy relationship with the pharma corps, I'm against various campaigns and projects they undertake, I disagree with their bureaucracy, etc etc.... So no I'm not a WHO supporter or anything like that. I'm against 90%+ of anything they do in general.

a reply to: Agit8dChop

www.bbc.com...

There are currently 24,615 confirmed cases worldwide, including 494 fatalities.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: FamCore

Just read your earlier reply to my post about the virus results coming back so quick. I don't have the answer, only posting updates as I find em but it does seem a little strange the US aren't giving virus updates as quick.

Especially considering we are in the West with modern, state of the art medicine and are a huge economic hub for the rest of global trade and finance. It doesn't make sense that we are going on Day # 10 with no updates on a lot of those pending cases.

Smells fishy to me

A second cruise ship this time docked in Hong Kong " The World Dream" with 1800 passengers is the latest ship to be quarantined. (The new story is further down the linked daily mail page)
mol.im...
And here www.cnn.com...

Updated figures from WuFlu.Live

Confirmed Cases: 24703
Deaths: 495
Recovered: 1039

Rev

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: toysforadults
this is still complete horse# until proven otherwise

DOW up almost 500 today

I am almost at a loss for words with how many times you associate the stock market with a virus. The only thing they have in common at this point is that they are BOTH being propped up on artificial numbers.

Wait, are you saying that the virus is being propped up with "artificial numbers" ?
Hmmmm, agreed.

The markets do react to info like this though, people will abandon their investments and pull out if they feel the market might drop over all this news (so therefore creating the initial phase of the crash, and then snowballing down from there).

I do expect that if the MSM continues the fear campaign that the markets here will begin to take some major hits.

However, if the news coming out over the next 30 days reveals my/the WHO's assessment of this virus as mild (based on prior CoV studies) than I believe the markets will not be affected too drastically because the fear and panic will subside and people will look for something new to talk about all day.

I think it's much more likely that we will avoid a market crash due to the fact the govts are pouring $$$ into the system to maintain liquidity, and because this viral outbreak will be seen as dodging the bullet as it becomes normalized that this is just another one of those 300 cold viruses we will all eventually get used to being a normal seasonal illness.

Now if this were like a Nipah+Pox hybrid or something I'd be with you guys on the whole freak out because that one's got over a 50% fatality rate which is incredible. If anything like that appeared we'd know for sure it was engineered just because it was such a unnatural hybridization. I think Ebola is like 90% mortality within just days if left untreated, and we do have evidence that they did in fact create an Ebola Pox hybrid in Russian labs (based on testimony from a defector).

a reply to: AndreSpecker
These are the videos that concern me most. How bad is it—really—if you've devolved into fogging your streets with chemicals?

originally posted by: revmoofoo
Updated figures from WuFlu.Live

Confirmed Cases: 24703
Deaths: 495
Recovered: 1039

Rev

Leaked, but unconfirmed:

150.000 cases
70.000 suspected
269 recovered
24.500 dead

As per Tencent leak febuary 2nd. They manage to flash the real numbers but was change back to the “official” number.

Confirmed:
- armed personel in hazmat “helping people”
- people being barred inside their own apartments
- clips from crematorium and hospital shows rows of dead in yellow bags waiting to be burned
- clip showing 10 garbage bins outside crema full of now empty bags...
- people getting off planes litterally being spray with disinfectant on the spot

originally posted by: revmoofoo
Updated figures from WuFlu.Live

Confirmed Cases: 24703
Deaths: 495
Recovered: 1039

Rev

Leaked, but unconfirmed:

150.000 cases
70.000 suspected
269 recovered
24.500 dead

As per Tencent leak febuary 2nd. They manage to flash the real numbers but was change back to the “official” number.

Confirmed:
- armed personel in hazmat “helping people”
- people being barred inside their own apartments
- clips from crematorium and hospital shows rows of dead in yellow bags waiting to be burned
- clip showing 10 garbage bins outside crema full of now empty bags...
- people getting off planes litterally being spray with disinfectant on the spot

Hmmm the report from Hubei is late tonight.

Duble post

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Necrose

originally posted by: ARM1968
Err, no it isn’t. Even the skewed official figures show its going up. a reply to: Necrose

I don't know man, I feel stupid explaining elementary school maths, simply put : a daily increase in % is declining, hence it's slowing down.

You’re an idiot. Sorry to break it to you, as you’re clearly unaware. Enjoy.

Ok let's say hypothetically...
Today's increase is going to be 18% and the rate by which the number of confirmed cases increases is declining 1% per day.
Tomorrow 17%, then 16, 15, 14 and in 2 weeks it hits 0%, so 18 days from now the daily increase is going to be 0% = 0 new cases. What then? It has to top out at some point if it's not speeding up, but slowing down.

Instead of saying I'm an idiot, show me what's wrong with my calculations so both of us can be "aware".

EDIT: again, we're using China's officially reported numbers

Which pretty much everyone knows are wrong, so your argument is what exactly? If you want to construct a platform on the quicksand of the official figures go right ahead, it just proves what I said. It’s not about scoring points, downplaying or oneupmanship, it’s about something catastrophic happening in China right now to real people and the likelihood that it could impact us globally just as severely. It is inexplicable to me that anyone can see how China is reacting to this and clearly not understand its magnitude. If you really are a pharmacist then you should know better.

I understand your point, however, I like to look at the bigger picture. The markets today performed really well... NASDAQ is at the new all time high for instance.. that's all tech companies that manufacture the vast majority of their components or rely upon their services in China. What's that telling you? Could be an exit scam ofc, but in instances like this, panic would probably prevail. Tesla up 20% today striking a deal with China on batteries.

The number of cases OUTSIDE China is barely growing. We'll see about the ship in Japan, but so far very few cases..there are no "clusters" in major global cities so far. Heathrow, the busiest airport in Europe (by far), yet NOBODY infected in London and just 2 random cases in the UK. It really isn't that bad. The mortality rate is below 2%, that's about the rate of a seasonal flu. The ones that are dying are elderly and/or ill already.

What the F*** does the NASDAQ have to do with how many people are dying in China right NOW?

You are a first class idiot, so do us all a favour and put a big sock in your big gob.

"The numbers outside China are hardly growing" just shows you have NO CLUE what you are talking about you utter fool.

Go look at the actual numbers per province on the 24th - the ones with hundreds now had "hardly any" and showed "hardly any increase" in the early days, then it exploded.

You are no more a pharmacist than I am Donald Trump, you don't even have a basic grasp of infant level maths, never mind the maths behind epidemiology.

Your inane and imbecelic ramblings would, should anyone be silly enough to listen to you, end up getting people killed.

Yes, it's THAT serious.

So instead of flapping your tongue and trying to fool people into thinking you're an expert, acknowledge you know nothing and just shut up.

Whoa tiger. You'd be a perfect candidate for the CCP Censorship team! THough I more/less agree with you...it's this kind of attitude that leads to censorship. just my thoughts...

originally posted by: SouthernGift
“I still can't help but think there is an important piece of the puzzle we're not seeing that is why China is having this much trouble and the rest of the world is still primarily scared and dealing with mostly Chinese cases out of China. Japan is majorly spooked, but most of their cases are still in native Chinese aside from two workers who had close contact with infected Chinese AFAIK.”

a reply to: ketsuko

Does anybody have any inclination to think that perhaps the new 5G/smart city grid stuff could have had any ill effects on the immune systems of the people from ground zero, and if not, why?

Admittedly, I’m biased in thinking about such because I have been hesitant to trust the 5G infrastructure rolling out here, on a personal level, but since we are discussing relevant issues to health such as:

unsanitary/differing eating habits,
overcrowded areas,
outdated sanitation practices, and
even bioweapons as causal factors, (due to the arrests/bio lab location)

I’m unclear on why nobody will touch the idea that there may be something funky going on with the interaction between humans and the smart system as a whole?

I see it as the “what stands out to me” in the equation, more so than eating bats at this point. If this is nothing new, (eating habits) and we’ve had other mutations fizzle out before reaching this level
Of concern in the past, then what is the new factor? In my eyes it’s the tech.

Forgive me if I’m overstepping. I mention this often and rarely have any response, which leads me to believe that it’s somehow an idea that lies so far fringe, even CTs won’t entertain it.

If that’s the case, then I’m missing a very important detail, one I can’t seem to find on my own. Lol. As far as I can tell, there’s just not enough research and data to make a definitive conclusion on whether this smart grid has ill effects on the health of a population as a whole.

Thanks to anybody who might have some more insight to offer. and I don’t necessarily mean scary YouTube videos or the “mind control” stuff associated with it, either. Strictly the effects to health. I think that this particular incidence, however, should be taken into consideration for any future studies on the effects, for obvious reasons.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner!

originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: tennisdawg

originally posted by: toysforadults
this is still complete horse# until proven otherwise

DOW up almost 500 today

I am almost at a loss for words with how many times you associate the stock market with a virus. The only thing they have in common at this point is that they are BOTH being propped up on artificial numbers.

Now if this were like a Nipah+Pox hybrid or something I'd be with you guys on the whole freak out because that one's got over a 50% fatality rate which is incredible. If anything like that appeared we'd know for sure it was engineered just because it was such a unnatural hybridization. I think Ebola is like 90% mortality within just days if left untreated, and we do have evidence that they did in fact create an Ebola Pox hybrid in Russian labs (based on testimony from a defector).

Okay, the hell with the consequences, I was shown documents that put this strain of the coronavirus at 15% fatality rate. This was my entire basis for the design and layout for a 5,000 bed facility. The 2% rate being floated around is a complete phucking lie. Wait until the real numbers start popping out from the communist curtain.

originally posted by: revmoofoo
Updated figures from WuFlu.Live

Confirmed Cases: 24703
Deaths: 495
Recovered: 1039

Rev

From those numbers, which obviously are just a guide post not an actual total analysis, and by using my calculator, that appears to be a 2.0038% chance for fatality.

Considering their urban squalor, weaker medical system, etc, that's actually pretty mild. SARS mortality rate was over 9% iirc. MERS is much higher than that.

This is why I continued attempting to remind people that this is no where near as bad as those other coronaviruses.

To put this in context for comparison to other pandemics, SmallPox (variola major) had a 30% death rate and more than half of the survivors were covered in scars and marks all over their bodies including the face.

This is why I had to challenge all of the nCoV information because I feel it's being treated like it's this major deadly frightening thing when in reality we are extremely lucky that we didn't get anything worse - and there are plenty of options to choose from when picking a worse and more deadly virus.

I project that the fatality rates will be lowered to under 1% by the time all the data finally comes in for this specific virus, nCoV19/20