Did China's New Plague Really Start In An Illegal Animal Market?

So we have this officially blessed story floating around the past 2 days and, TBH it is plausible and likely where the safer money bets should go.
www.businessinsider.com...

On Wednesday, authorities in Wuhan, China — where the current outbreak started — banned the trade of live animals at wet markets. The specific market where the outbreak is believed to have begun, the Huanan Seafood Market, was shuttered on January 1. The coronavirus that emerged there has so far killed 17 people and infected nearly 640.

But this is ATS and safe bets aren't as much fun as letting it hang out there and taking a risk. So, lookie lookie at this news story from 3 years ago...
Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens

A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.

www.livescience.com...

As an escalating viral outbreak unfolds in China, only one lab in the country meets the required biosafety standards needed to study the new disease.

The lab happens to sit in the center of Wuhan, the city where the newly identified coronavirus first appeared, according to the Hindustan Times, an Indian news outlet. The facility, known as the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, is housed within the Chinese Academy of Sciences and was specifically designed to help Chinese scientists "prepare for and respond to future infectious disease outbreaks," according to a 2019 report published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Yeah, that's accurate... the Wuhan BSL-4 lab isn't just the only lab in that part of China... it's the only level 4 lab in all of mainland China. What an INCREDIBLE coincidence the virus emerges right in the shadow of the only facility qualified and able to study it and potentially stop it! Yeah, I don't believe in coincidences, either.

Other oddities in this... The first confirmed cases (not deaths, but actual cases) were December 31, 2019. The United States Center for Disease Control identified the market and the Chinese government closed it at the start of the day on January 1, 2020. www.channelnewsasia.com...
A sprawling city of 11 Million people, a foreign government's CDC, and they were able to pinpoint the exact source of a supposedly unique, not seen before virus in a handful of hours? I can't wrap my head around the logistics of that.

Then there is the historically "unChinese" Chinese government response

“Anyone who puts the face of politicians before the interests of the people will be the sinner of a millennium to the party and the people,” the commentary on its Chang An Jian account read.
“Anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity,” it added.
The commentary cited an instruction issued by President Xi Jinping on Monday that the virus must be “resolutely contained” and that all cadres must make “the safety of people’s lives and their physical health” the top priority.

This is either 100% bullsnip from Beijing or it reflects one of the largest policy shifts in modern history, as the always secretive Chinese government changed their spots almost overnight... or did they? Is it possible they've got something else in mind here? Perhaps release a virus upon the world which they already have the cure for, let it fester for a period, then swoop in, knock it out and whilst patting themselves on the back on the world stage take that moment to loudly proclaim "Yeah, about those tariffs and calls for sanctions over Hong Kong... ahem"

No matter how you view all of this, you at least have to admit there are some amazing "coincidences."
1. An outbreak of a new virus in the only city in China with the facilities needed to treat it.
2. An almost implausible turn around from initial identification of virus to accused "source"
3. A historically locked down Chinese government picking this moment to magically become an open book.

One of these coincidences would be enough to take pause, all of them together is enough to pull the brakes completely and try to figure out just WTF the game and, more importantly, the end game is here.

ive seen alot of CCP Commies claiming its a US Bioweapon attack

that probably explains why theyve allowed it to escape china and bring the world down with it

there are now videos online circulation of people collapsed on the streets in puddles of blood... time to panic

It is called the wu-flu

originally posted by: BillyJoeeOzark
It is called the wu-flu

As long as they don't start calling it Captain Trips...



And S&F for the OP... some thought-provoking "coincidences" there...

~pondering~

China is like the Africa of Asia when it comes to exotic meat and medicine.

I don't think you need to create a conspiracy theory to explain what too many people, too many animals, and lack of sanitation does all on its own.

I like what you did here...

Can I take it a step further?

Bio-Safety Level 4...includes something called an Arenavirus. What is an Arenavirus?

"An arenavirus is a negative-sense, single-stranded RNA virus that is a member of the family Arenaviridae. These viruses infect rodents and occasionally humans; arenaviruses have also been discovered which infect snakes. At least eight arenaviruses are known to cause human disease."

Rats? Snakes? Live animal market?
""Snakes Could Be The Source..."

This Arenavirus does not cause cold or flu like symptoms. It causes Hemorrhagic Fever.

Does a cold that progresses into pneumonia lay you out in the street, generally speaking? No. Hemorrhagic Fever does though...

Another poster claimed that they saw images of people face down in the street in a pool of blood.

Hemorrhagic fever.

China "locking down" 7 cities now...for a Coronavirus with a 2% death rate in a population with an average age of 73 years old?

-or-

China "locking down" 7 cities...for an uncontained hemorrhagic fever.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
So we have this officially blessed story floating around the past 2 days and, TBH it is plausible and likely where the safer money bets should go.
www.businessinsider.com...

On Wednesday, authorities in Wuhan, China — where the current outbreak started — banned the trade of live animals at wet markets. The specific market where the outbreak is believed to have begun, the Huanan Seafood Market, was shuttered on January 1. The coronavirus that emerged there has so far killed 17 people and infected nearly 640.

But this is ATS and safe bets aren't as much fun as letting it hang out there and taking a risk. So, lookie lookie at this news story from 3 years ago...
Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens

A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.

www.livescience.com...

As an escalating viral outbreak unfolds in China, only one lab in the country meets the required biosafety standards needed to study the new disease.

The lab happens to sit in the center of Wuhan, the city where the newly identified coronavirus first appeared, according to the Hindustan Times, an Indian news outlet. The facility, known as the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, is housed within the Chinese Academy of Sciences and was specifically designed to help Chinese scientists "prepare for and respond to future infectious disease outbreaks," according to a 2019 report published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Yeah, that's accurate... the Wuhan BSL-4 lab isn't just the only lab in that part of China... it's the only level 4 lab in all of mainland China. What an INCREDIBLE coincidence the virus emerges right in the shadow of the only facility qualified and able to study it and potentially stop it! Yeah, I don't believe in coincidences, either.

Other oddities in this... The first confirmed cases (not deaths, but actual cases) were December 31, 2019. The United States Center for Disease Control identified the market and the Chinese government closed it at the start of the day on January 1, 2020. www.channelnewsasia.com...
A sprawling city of 11 Million people, a foreign government's CDC, and they were able to pinpoint the exact source of a supposedly unique, not seen before virus in a handful of hours? I can't wrap my head around the logistics of that.

Then there is the historically "unChinese" Chinese government response

“Anyone who puts the face of politicians before the interests of the people will be the sinner of a millennium to the party and the people,” the commentary on its Chang An Jian account read.
“Anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity,” it added.
The commentary cited an instruction issued by President Xi Jinping on Monday that the virus must be “resolutely contained” and that all cadres must make “the safety of people’s lives and their physical health” the top priority.

This is either 100% bullsnip from Beijing or it reflects one of the largest policy shifts in modern history, as the always secretive Chinese government changed their spots almost overnight... or did they? Is it possible they've got something else in mind here? Perhaps release a virus upon the world which they already have the cure for, let it fester for a period, then swoop in, knock it out and whilst patting themselves on the back on the world stage take that moment to loudly proclaim "Yeah, about those tariffs and calls for sanctions over Hong Kong... ahem"

No matter how you view all of this, you at least have to admit there are some amazing "coincidences."
1. An outbreak of a new virus in the only city in China with the facilities needed to treat it.
2. An almost implausible turn around from initial identification of virus to accused "source"
3. A historically locked down Chinese government picking this moment to magically become an open book.

One of these coincidences would be enough to take pause, all of them together is enough to pull the brakes completely and try to figure out just WTF the game and, more importantly, the end game is here.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

On one hand, seeing China's open air markets in documentaries and such would make you wonder. Even worse some street vendors scoop floating oil from sewers to cook with. .... Not out of the realm of possibility that some viruses could surface in such conditions.

On the other we have grim reminders from our own government of bio warfare being tested on civilians. Maybe China is getting creative to deal with some of their unruly citizens and territories without global backlash.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: BillyJoeeOzark
It is called the wu-flu

As long as they don't start calling it Captain Trips...

And S&F for the OP... some thought-provoking "coincidences" there...

~pondering~

oh crap
not that
m-o-o-n
that spells tom cullen

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The Corona virus has a PATENT.

Wherever they say it started?

It 'started' in a lab.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

If you can scare enough people, when the time comes to introduce a "vaccine" to the population, it will be accepted.

originally posted by: TritonTaranis
ive seen alot of CCP Commies claiming its a US Bioweapon attack

that probably explains why theyve allowed it to escape china and bring the world down with it

there are now videos online circulation of people collapsed on the streets in puddles of blood... time to panic

Just saw that or a similar video and the guy is laying face down in a small pool of his own blood. Very suspicious, the whole damn thing....

a reply to: DOcean

Ah hell, you're sending me down a rabbit hole with that new to me information.

Did China's New Plague Really Start In An Illegal Animal Market?

No.

See communist regime.

There's not too much illegal going on.

originally posted by: ketsuko
China is like the Africa of Asia when it comes to exotic meat and medicine.

I don't think you need to create a conspiracy theory to explain what too many people, too many animals, and lack of sanitation does all on its own.

I completely agree with you.

But they're also a dictatorship who make the communist party seem godlike.

It's hard to put anything past them. They may be on the tipping point with the trifecta of Uyghers, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. While I don't see a home grown virus as probable.... It's worth humoring.

We also have scientists in Tibet(they call it china but I will always call it Tibet)ripping ancient viruses out of the glaciers.
So thats fun..

www.nbcnews.com...

Im sure the chinese government have absolutley nothing to do with that or any interest in sending these viruses to their biological weapons facilities,so no problems there.

a reply to: burdman30ott6



This is the first conspiracy theory in a while that gave me pause. Kudo's for that.

DOcean's addition makes it even more interesting. Makes me wonder if it's possible animals from the lab might end up in the market somehow. One to ponder.

Thanks for the thread, this is getting better by the day.

If a type of hemorrhagic fever has escaped and infecting people, then china should front any medical bill associated or risk new sanctions and or potential military blockade over such a ravenous virus, nip it at the bud.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Too many coincidences.... really.

Looking back at the sars timeline, CV is spreading faster.

But also I notice... they never found the origin of sars.
Yet this time, in the only city with a bsl4 lab, in 24 hours after notifying WHO, the cdc across the ocean, pin point the exact place of origin of CV....... come on....

There are accounts of Spanish Flu victims dying that way though. Just suddenly their noses would gush blood and they'd keel over. It could take them that fast.

But generally speaking, it was a side effect of the disease, the bleeding. Herye is an account ofh what it was like at Camp Devens, one of the first places to undergo serious outbreak of Spanish Flu:

Vaughan recorded this sight: 'hundreds of young stalwart men in the uniform of their country coming into the wards of the hospital in groups of 10 or more. They are placed on cots until every bed is full and yet others crowd in. The faces weary a bluish cast; a distressing cough brings up the blood-stained sputum.'

Care was almost nonexistent. The base hospital, designed for 1,200, could accommodate at most -- even with crowding 'beyond what is deemed permissible,' according to Welch -- 2,500. It now held in excess of 6,000. All beds had long since been filled. Every corridor, every spare room, every porch was filled, crammed with cots occupied by the sick or dying. There was nothing antiseptic about the sight. And there were no nurses. When Welch arrived, 70 out of 200 nurses were already sick in bed themselves, with more falling ill each hour. Many of them would not recover. A stench filled the hospital as well. Bed linen and clothing were rank with urine and feces from men incapable of rising or cleaning themselves.

Blood was everywhere, on linens, clothes, pouring out of some men's nostrils and even ears while others coughed it up. Many of the soldiers, boys in their teens, men in their 20s -- healthy, normally ruddy men -- were turning blue. Their color would prove a deadly indicator.

-- The Great Influenza, John Barry

So ... there you are. Plenty grim enough if you ask me, and you can bleed out of your orifices enough to make a small pool even if it is just a relatives of the common cold or flu.

I actually think that the Hn1 and the other stuff including the 'wu-flu'.

Is the state trying to get rid of 1 billion people.

After their one child policy I don't put anything past them.