Vegetarians and Vegans and others. What do you do with the animals?

a reply to: tetra50

I see you don't understand the underground.

a reply to: daskakik

The female cow doesn't even have to give birth to produce milk. That's the whole point. There just has to be a male cow around to bring her into oestrus, and the possibility of fertilization.

Oh, and I quite understand the underground. I just don't consider "underground" as "free range." Hiding and free are not synonymous.

a reply to: pheonix358Perhaps after all this time the animals notice the vegans weak and gaunt look and eat them wouldn't that be a case of irony

a reply to: tetra50

Your doing my head in ......A cow is just that a cow you dont need to add female.
And there is no such thing as a male cow....there are bulls.

a reply to: fluff007

most deforestation in Australia is for crops. To feed vegans.

originally posted by: xXSvenXx
a reply to: tetra50

Your doing my head in ......A cow is just that a cow you dont need to add female.
And there is no such thing as a male cow....there are bulls.

Hey there:
bull cows don't produce milk.
They have balls, and no mamary glands....LOL
Whatever.
tet

a reply to: ketsuko

So silly they dont like the idea of Dogs being domesticated ,thats just ridiculous

if it werent for dogs , we'd likley not be having this conversation

originally posted by: Finspiracy
"originally posted by: pheonix358
Let us just pretend that you all get your way and the rest of us stop eating animals."

"your way" so as a vegetarian, my way? i have a way now? an agenda? simply due to dropping all meat out of the menu?

Food does not have to be tied into an ideology. I eat what i eat, others eat what they eat. Big deal. That is "my way"

Your comment appears to pretend that there is no massive rabid radical vegan/vegetarian agenda being pushed down our throats by a vocal minority of people advocating 'your way'.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Who said anything about GMO's?

Virtually all soy is GMO, and all GMO soy is extremely bad for you.

But even non-GMO soy is bad for you, with one exception being if it fermented, as in high quality soy sauce.

Organic beans have a lot of protein even if not as much as soy. Nutritional yeast is just regular yeast that has been heated to kill it.

It is difficult - but not impossible, with the right combinations - to get adequate proteins from beans/veggie sources. But even if you do, the quality is nowhere near what you get from animal sources, and with those, you just want to make sure it is truefree-range/pastured/grass fed/finished etc).

Eggs and dairy can be organic as well.

Commercial 'organic' eggs/dairy are not much better than non-organic, due to the watering down of the label 'organic' by the industry. The only real guarantee - if they aren't lying about it being 'organic' is it is non-GMO.

Buy local, ask questions about their farming practices, as for tours, see what they feed their animals and how they slaughter them.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ketsuko

So silly they dont like the idea of Dogs being domesticated ,thats just ridiculous

if it werent for dogs , we'd likley not be having this conversation

That pretends there is no movement to make dogs go vegetarian/vegan too if you own them. But there are a small subset of radicals that do not want people to have any pets at all, including dogs.

I agree it's silly, but I am not them. Of course, I also think it's silly to judge history through modern mores, but we're doing that nowadays too.

Remember, modern man is "evolved" now.

a reply to: TheSkunk

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: LocalGenius

Erm? I think it's the unnecessary killing of the animal that the vegans are against.... Not what the animals eat mate?
I'm not vegan I eat meat but I can totally level with a vegan, we humans can survive perfectly fine and live a very healthy life without meat. maybe 1000's of years ago we needed meat when we wasn't farming but in todays age, killing animals for food is an unnecessary evil especially when we have isles full of alternatives in the shop. "Yeah but the cow had a good life it was free range" yeah it WAS free range... till ya killed it.

It is not what they eat it is how they live while alive... Mate..

Oh right, well I must have been living in a cave because I've never met a vegan who will eat any living animal "free range" or not...

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: daskakik

The female cow doesn't even have to give birth to produce milk. That's the whole point. There just has to be a male cow around to bring her into oestrus, and the possibility of fertilization.

Oh, and I quite understand the underground. I just don't consider "underground" as "free range." Hiding and free are not synonymous.

Sorry mate but you're wrong, dairy cows are kept pregnant pretty much year round to make sure they're producing milk, no baby no milk, and once the cow has given birth the calf is taken away within a day or 2, if its male it's killed straight away 9 times out of 10.

a reply to: tanstaafl
Since the poster had said they had a soy allergy, it makes no difference if all soy is GMO. Nobody was talking about GMOs.

Pretty hard to buy local and see farming practices if you live in a city.

I was responding to someone who sounded like they wanted to try being vegetarian.

The protein quality thing seems to have come under question. It kinda makes sense if you stop and realize that your steak comes from an animal that only eats plants.

Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
Since the poster had said they had a soy allergy, it makes no difference if all soy is GMO.

Maybe... maybe not.... often, soy (or other) allergies are to the GMO version.

Nobody was talking about GMOs.

According to my quoted text, one of you was talking about GMOs, so it was part of the conversation. Get over yourself.

Pretty hard to buy local and see farming practices if you live in a city.

So... move? Seriously though, this is why cities have Co-ops, others will have vetted the farmers for you. Hopefully.

I was responding to someone who sounded like they wanted to try being vegetarian.

Excellent. I love Keto ice cream.

The protein quality thing seems to have come under question.

By some, including radical vegan/vegetarian activists, yes...

It kinda makes sense if you stop and think that your steak comes from an animal that only eats plants.

It only makes sense superficially - like most other things to do with the radical agendas.

Plant Foods Have a Complete Amino Acid Composition

Fyi, they may superficially appear to have 'a complete amino acid profile', that doesn't equate to having the same health benefits, although much of that may be due to the fact that animal proteins are loaded with the healthy saturated fats, and plants are not, so you have to look elsewhere for those (avacoado is a great source for some).

So, it isn't just about amino acids...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl

So, it isn't just about amino acids...

Nah lets not kid ourselves, it's all about the taste because at the end of the day we as humans can live a healthy life meat and dairy free, we CHOOSE not to.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Maybe... maybe not.... often, soy (or other) allergies are to the GMO version.

That has no bearing on the point being made.

According to my quoted text, one of you was talking about GMOs, so it was part of the conversation. Get over yourself.

But at that point soy was off the table.

So... move? Seriously though, this is why cities have Co-ops, others will have vetted the farmers for you. Hopefully.

Not for me, because I don't care.

It only makes sense superficially - like most other things to do with the radical agendas.

Like the meat producing industry doesn't have its own agenda.

Fyi, they may superficially appear to have 'a complete amino acid profile', that doesn't equate to having the same health benefits, although much of that may be due to the fact that animal proteins are loaded with the healthy saturated fats, and plants are not, so you have to look elsewhere for those (avacoado is a great source for some).

So, it isn't just about amino acids...

Cows also make those healthy saturated fats from a vegetarian source.

So, since the amino acid thing, which was the reason usually used for meat in a diet, wasn't on the up and up. I'm going to take the healthy saturated fats thing with a grain of salt and some carne asada.

a reply to: pheonix358



Animal agriculture is the single biggest cause of mass extinction on the planet. Reduce this and you have more room for biodiverisy to return and ecosystems to recover.

a reply to: tetra50

So, what was your point?

Mine was that dairy cows and hens are not killed in the production of milk and eggs and "free range" is used when they are not kept in cages.

Underground, as in black market, doesn't necessarily mean hiding.

Also, having the illusion of freedom, free to roam around but not able to leave the farm, is what we get as well.

originally posted by: daskakik

I know what free range means but if you kill the animal to eat it then it still means it met a violent death. There is a reason why "they" say meat is murder.

The animal meets death period, would you consider painless death inhumane? Compare that to starving to death, or death by wolf pack...


Waiting for the animal to die from age may also be somewhat inhumane. Have you ever had a family pet put down? I just think you are stretching it some though I agree with a humane life and a humane death.