Vegetarians and Vegans and others. What do you do with the animals?

a reply to: ketsuko

"No, son, they used to exist, but we decided it was cruel to own animals, so we slaughtered their whole species. It was kinder that way."

Cats, dogs, hamsters, birds, etc. Kill em all.

Nice hyperbole. But not surprising, coming from you.

a reply to: Liquesence

PETA kills more in their animal shelters than pretty much any other shelter service out there. They're the form of radical I alluding to. But what do we do with all the animals who now serve no purpose? Extinctions are extinctions even in extreme slow motion.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: pheonix358

Nature would balance itself.
It always does.

Humans alter the ecosystem unfortunately but nature will adjust.
Pigs and honeybees don't belong in the usa.

Wise response!

I went vegan for 6 months.
Im trained as a chef, so My vegan food tasted great.
You can eat 5 times a day, as much as you want,m and relieve yourself 5 times as well,

I was cut. I had energy all day.
But I missed meat. I love meat. I am a prepper and have almost every kind of meat in my multiple freezers. Crab, lobsters,Multiple types of fish, Lamb, pork, chicken and lots of Angus beef cuts. I have 4 freezers.

I will likely go vegan in the next couple months for a 3 month duration. You all should try it.

Knock if you like. I never will. You will lose 25 lbs in 3 months and be cut as hell. You can always go back to meat and dairy later.

originally posted by: pheonix358
Let us just pretend that you all get your way and the rest of us stop eating animals.

What happens after the next animal birthing season?

In as little as two years, you would run out of room for the animals.

Additionally, these animals, in numbers not seen since the Bison herds were wiped out are eating all of the food you want to eat.

What will you do, cull the animals?

How far into the future can a vegan see?

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Well I'm guessing in that world, we stop farming them? So Naturally the numbers will drop, you do understand that without being fed and cared for by farmers or even (in the dairy industry) forcefully impregnated these numbers of animals wouldn't exist? Do you honestly think if we stop eating animals they're going to start farming themselves? Lol come on mate I'm not vegan but "How far into the future can a vegan see" Apparently further than you.

a reply to: LocalGenius

Lol.

You have never lived on a farm.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Humans are not in control of how many animals are bred on a farm?

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: pheonix358

Humans are not in control of how many animals are bred on a farm?

So let me get this straight mate.

After we all stop eating meat, the farmers on your world will still look after them. Why?

We will need all of that grazing land to grow crops on.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Is that all you've got? What would me having never lived on a farm have any relevance to anything? Have I said something that isn't true? Do you genuinely believe all these farm animals would be able to keep their numbers without any help from farmers? Then what is the point in farmers in the first place? we should just scrap farmers and start employing people to simply hunt them instead? The answer is they are FARMED because without the input of FARMERS the numbers would dramatically decline and there wouldn't be enough meat to meet the demand. So, taking out the key piece, (the farmer) the numbers take care of themselves naturally, no need for a culling. FYI I actually live in the sticks I'm surrounded by farms.

a reply to: pheonix358

If you want to be realistic about it. The switch wouldn't be instantaneous.

As the demand for meat dropped so would the number of animals being bred. At some point the farmers would just stop breeding them and switch to the exploitation of the land used for grazing for growing crops, where they could.

ETA: It wouldn't be all the farmers at once either. Those who could no longer justify their economic activity would close shop, one by one, in a sense.

originally posted by: pheonix358

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: pheonix358

Humans are not in control of how many animals are bred on a farm?

So let me get this straight mate.

After we all stop eating meat, the farmers on your world will still look after them. Why?

We will need all of that grazing land to grow crops on.

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No, come on bud, it really isn't that difficult. We stop eating meat, Farmers stop producing the meat. Your having great difficulty understand that these animals cannot take care of themselves without the input from the farmer. left to survive naturally without any human help these FARM animals would decline naturally. Please spare yourself a bit of time and do some research

a reply to: LocalGenius

these animals cannot take care of themselves without the input from the farmer

Another lol.

Once they break the fence, they will not be on the farm.

Where do you get these ideas from.

The herds of Bison were not on a farm. They looked after themselves very well for thousands of years before farmers came along.

The modern age for you to see. The education system has failed us.

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a reply to: pheonix358

Why would they break their fence? Why have they not done it now?

Let's get back to reality. Any farmer going down will sell their animals off and not be breeding any more. Things would go on like this until the demand for meat is nil.

Your assumption that there would, at any point, be a gazzillion animals with no market is a non sequitur fallacy.

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: LocalGenius

these animals cannot take care of themselves without the input from the farmer

Another lol.

Once they break the fence, they will not be on the farm.

Where do you get these ideas from.

The herds of Bison were not on a farm. They looked after themselves very well for thousands of years before farmers came along.

The modern age for you to see. The education system has failed us.

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Bison are natural born WILD animals. FARM animals have been specifically bred into existence via the touch of the human hand. Look it's as simple as this WE (Humans) CONTROL FARM ANIMAL NUMBERS. that is the reason why there are so many of them, because we eat them, literally no other reason. So if we take the reason for their numbers away (humans eating them) then there is no reason for the farmers to FARM more into existence. no farming = no farm animals. Whos going to impregnate the dairy cows when we stop using milk? You do realize the farmers do that themselves? Do you mock everyone who doesn't agree with you?

a reply to: LocalGenius
You would think that anyone calling others out for never having lived on a farm would know that breeding is under the control of the farmer. Sometimes they even pay to have a stud brought in to mate with their heifers.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LocalGenius
You would think that anyone calling others out for never having lived on a farm would know that breeding is under the control of the farmer. Sometimes they even pay to have a stud brought in to mate with their heifers.

You would think a modern functioning adult would also understand the concept of doing a bit of research, or failing that in this case you pretty much only have to understand the concept of supply and demand.
Unfortunately you can't convince the ignorant of their ignorance.

a reply to: pheonix358

As I get much older, I have been trying to eat less Cow. I eat more salads and veggies, gotta have cannellini beans and peas with my salad. Heinz malt vinegar dressing works good on it. I love rice and sea weed. I do eat more fish, but the point of this thread is to not eat animals.

Now, yes animals will thrive. However nature does have a way with symbiotic relationships with animal species. Homeostasis will continue to work. Humans will need to find a way to not be part of the food chain and carry on in life.

Having said what I have, I desire a steak once a month now. And I do eat my broccoli.

a reply to: LocalGenius

you pretty much only have to understand the concept of supply and demand.

Demand for meat = 0

Supply of meat = 1000 animals.

What does the farmer do with his over supply problem.

Talk about educating kindergarten.

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Humans are meant to eat meat

We are a scavenging animal like carrion, we can detect rotting meat as good as any mammal

Also our bodies don’t produce B12 with which you will die without

The only way to get B12 is from ruminants which are animals with specially designed stomachs for processing grass for us

So if we don’t get b12 from animals below in the food chain where do we get it?

Research indicates only 2 organisms on the planet make B12 and I bet a lot of B12 supplements and thinks “fortified” with B12 are actually animal based

originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: LocalGenius

you pretty much only have to understand the concept of supply and demand.

Demand for meat = 0

Supply of meat = 1000 animals.

What does the farmer do with his over supply problem.

Talk about educating kindergarten.

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Man the amount of manure the farmer would get in return is priceless, think of all that green grass and fertilized crops!

originally posted by: pheonix358
Let us just pretend that you all get your way and the rest of us stop eating animals.

What happens after the next animal birthing season?

In as little as two years, you would run out of room for the animals.

Additionally, these animals, in numbers not seen since the Bison herds were wiped out are eating all of the food you want to eat.

What will you do, cull the animals?

How far into the future can a vegan see?

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Life did fine for 4 billions of years before humans came along.. I think they will do just fine without us

Ohh.. and all the current living lifeforms on farms will be made into food or just allowed to live out their life.