Who is responsible for the Australian Bush fires - ITS NOT CLIMATE CHANGE...

wrong thread

Fact of the matter the fires are intentional. Wait till the US next summer the enemy is saying to burn, burn burn. Going to be a long year

a reply to: maddy21
PJW just released a good video on it, spot on as usual.

originally posted by: Skorpiogurl
Here's is what I can't understand about climate change. Why are people so against it? I mean even if everything about climate change is false, isn't it still a great idea to take care of our environment? And yes, the Earth will always take care of itself that's true, but don't we want to at least try to keep our home clean and uncluttered while we are here? If we had taken good care of the Earth can you imagine how beautiful it would be and how awesome our relationship with it would be?

Hardly anyone is against clean air/water/soil, and it should always be a goal to move towards keeping them as clean as possible.

Also, people who "deny" the AGW money grab scam are not denying that the climate changes. It has changed a lot on its own for billions of years.

What you are not understanding is that people pushing the fear out there that humans are destroying the world through CO2 are the same corrupt people that finds ways to make billions of dollars for themselves through international aid. It's depressing how much tax payers have lost to these scam artists. Money that could be used inventing cleaner tech.

The IPCC model used by the UN and AGW people to get folks to believe in fear is severely flawed. It's handling of solar energy outside of the visible spectrum is nearly non-existent, while new satellite data is confirming the the climate forcing from the sun is much much higher than the model (that everyone is using) predicts. When you severely underestimate the heating/cooling due to solar activity, you are left inventing another reason (AGW). And it's just WRONG.

The IPCC recently made a change to allow the new data to be integrated into the model by 2022. At that time, the scam will die and people who seem to believe whatever the MSM says without checking the data will once again be shocked to learn they have been lied to, as they were with the Russia hoax.

What I don't understand is how so many of us humans just believe things they are told on TV. Never questioning the source.

Now relative to this thread, I do believe climate change is playing some role in Australia. Just as I believe there are activists who would gladly start fires to try and force people to believe AGW. Climate change also played a BIG role in California fires. But it was the drought in CA a few years ago that killed millions of trees across the state. During droughts, beetles invade the dry trees and kill them. Then for many years after the drought is over, those dead trees cause fires to be much worse than before.

Please don't forget that ISIS called for muslims to start wildfires.

a reply to: maddy21

a reply to: maddy21

The Australian Aboriginal population survived there for at least 40,000 years. They used controlled burns to flush out small game (hunting) and also to regenerate bush.

Australian trees like eucalyptus are highly fire resistant and some even require extreme heat to crack their seed pods. They are fire adapted. Old dead trees and scrubby overgrowth burn most readily. Controlled burning clears brush removes dead trees and promotes higher canopy growth trees, which in turn creates a layered canopy, which reduces water loss to evaporation. This, of course, creates true forests instead of low scrub.

For over 200 years, the Aboriginal traditional controlled burns have not happened, causing canopy forest to gradually return to scrubland. There has also been significant land clearing for crops.

In Ooleroo National Park (around Ayers Rock) the Aboriginal traditional methods were re-implemented by conservationists due to the loss of plant life and desert encroachment. These traditional methods once established, caused a re-bloom of plant life and turned vary bare desert back into a desert area with a lot of native species.

Traditional Aboriginal burning - Western Australian Parks and Wildlife Service

Traditional Aboriginal burning in modern day land management - LandCare Australia

Fire-stick farming
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a reply to: rickymouse
I agree with what you say.
One only has to look at who benefits from these fires....climate & green activists have been raking in the donations and I've been told one particular group has raised £20m in just 2 days (trying to find a source) if your agenda is receiving the traction it should....help it along....where is this money going? What's it being spent on? As is so often said.....follow the money
Would be interesting if those 24 that have so far been charged had their backgrounds checked to see if they had any connections with Green Groups or Climate Activists and there are still another 100+ awaiting charges although most of those relate to stupidly dropping cigarette butts or having barbeque's of all things!!

a reply to: maddy21

In Penrith (a far Western suburb of Sydney) a few days ago, it got up to 48.9 degrees C (120 degrees Fahrenheit).

The climate is oscillating more wildly than in the past and the overall trend is hotter.

Interactive: 100 years of temperatures in Australia - ABC News

Climate of Sydney
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Climate change is indeed a major factor in the upsurge in fire weather. Climate change does not start fires, but it does provide hotter summers with longer and hotter heat waves, longer drought conditions etc. The evidence is irrefutable, unless your a nutjob denier on a conspiracy website lol

Here is the evidence, I suggest people educate themselves on the matter and stop being a retard about it all, but this is ATS and everyone is a climate expert lol
www.bom.gov.au...

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: maddy21
PJW just released a good video on it, spot on as usual.

No he's not spot on,he's got a couple of half truths and a whole lot of bull#, you want to be informed this guys vids are not the way to get there.

His stance is absurd.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: maddy21

We have to find alternatives to fossil fuel. All the carbon being put into the atmosphere is raising global temperatures making deserts and dry areas dryer. Now these areas are very susceptible to massive fires. California has had raging fires for years. It's almost biblical.

Burning gasoline causes pollution. Pollution is bad. Simple logic.

I agree that pollution is bad, but there is a huge difference between pollution, and your ridiculous and factually baseless claim that carbon from fossil fuels is 'raising global temperatures making deserts and dry areas dryer'.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: maddy21

We have to find alternatives to fossil fuel. All the carbon being put into the atmosphere is raising global temperatures making deserts and dry areas dryer. Now these areas are very susceptible to massive fires. California has had raging fires for years. It's almost biblical.

Burning gasoline causes pollution. Pollution is bad. Simple logic.

I agree that pollution is bad, but there is a huge difference between pollution, and your ridiculous and factually baseless claim that carbon from fossil fuels is 'raising global temperatures making deserts and dry areas dryer'.

You are wrong

Over the past 2000 years, concentrations were around 280 ppm with only small changes until the start of the industrial era, before rapidly increasing. Over the previous 800,000 years, CO2 concentrations varied between regular warm periods and colder glacial periods but were always lower than those of the past century.

www.bom.gov.au...

originally posted by: Skorpiogurl

Here's is what I can't understand about climate change. Why are people so against it?

Because every damn solution presented so far involves taxing us, or corporations that would simply pass their tax burden onto us.

And, given the track record of governments in other departments, do you trust the government to suddenly be 100% efficient and fiscally responsible with this?

originally posted by: bluesjr

originally posted by: Skorpiogurl
Here's is what I can't understand about climate change. Why are people so against it? I mean even if everything about climate change is false, isn't it still a great idea to take care of our environment? And yes, the Earth will always take care of itself that's true, but don't we want to at least try to keep our home clean and uncluttered while we are here? If we had taken good care of the Earth can you imagine how beautiful it would be and how awesome our relationship with it would be?

Hardly anyone is against clean air/water/soil, and it should always be a goal to move towards keeping them as clean as possible.

Also, people who "deny" the AGW money grab scam are not denying that the climate changes. It has changed a lot on its own for billions of years.

What you are not understanding is that people pushing the fear out there that humans are destroying the world through CO2 are the same corrupt people that finds ways to make billions of dollars for themselves through international aid. It's depressing how much tax payers have lost to these scam artists. Money that could be used inventing cleaner tech.

The IPCC model used by the UN and AGW people to get folks to believe in fear is severely flawed. It's handling of solar energy outside of the visible spectrum is nearly non-existent, while new satellite data is confirming the the climate forcing from the sun is much much higher than the model (that everyone is using) predicts. When you severely underestimate the heating/cooling due to solar activity, you are left inventing another reason (AGW). And it's just WRONG.

The IPCC recently made a change to allow the new data to be integrated into the model by 2022. At that time, the scam will die and people who seem to believe whatever the MSM says without checking the data will once again be shocked to learn they have been lied to, as they were with the Russia hoax.

What I don't understand is how so many of us humans just believe things they are told on TV. Never questioning the source.

Now relative to this thread, I do believe climate change is playing some role in Australia. Just as I believe there are activists who would gladly start fires to try and force people to believe AGW. Climate change also played a BIG role in California fires. But it was the drought in CA a few years ago that killed millions of trees across the state. During droughts, beetles invade the dry trees and kill them. Then for many years after the drought is over, those dead trees cause fires to be much worse than before.

Indeed. Some of the proponents of climate change have children or relatives working in the fossil fuel industry...Imagine that.

What's the difference between this stupid topic and this this stupid topic created two days ago?

The same trolling pattern. The OP, disinformation bot etc., opens with a nonsensical claim that some of the fires in Australia may have been deliberately started therefore man-made climate change cannot have anything to do with it. The OP/bot makes no further appearance but leaves it to others to parade their ignorance of climate science or try to bring some sense to the topic.

Clearly the aim is just to post topic titles in order to propagate disinformation memes. Difficult to deny ignorance when ATS becomes a hive of ignorant Spam.

Majority of fires causing havoc started by lightning in inaccessible areas. The east coast of Australia is going through an extended drought period. Towns are running out of water due to lack of rain. The northern monsoonal season is almost two months late for the second year running. Everything is dry, the place is a tinderbox. I’ve seen all this first hand. Lack of rain is the culprit, not saying it’s man made but it is what it is. Most fires started by humans either on purpose or accidentally are controlled fairly quickly as they are accessible and the fire department can fight them relatively easy. Saying that, even back burning operations can get out of hand from time to time. a reply to: maddy21

I would say that these threads are propagated by the coal industry which hangs over Australia’s political landscape but to what end? I could understand Facebook being targeted but why ATS. I wouldn’t of thought many people would come to ATS to have their thoughts changed on the subject of climate change, it’s more of an echo chamber than anything else when it comes to that particular subject. a reply to: EvilAxis

Here are some links and sources that I promised in my earlier post.
As you can see even the Police in conjunction with the Fire Service state that arson & lightening NOT climate change is responsible for these fires.
As a rather well known and very well respected climatologist & astrophysicist succinctly puts it
"The interference by humans on the earth's climate is so negligible its akin to a pigeon crapping on Nelson's Column" also he states “It's a massive ideological tool by the globalists who are under massive pressure right now to justify the de-industrialisation agenda making super profits for the biggest corporations and more and more money for the super rich.” - Piers Corbyn BSc MSc

www.zerohedge.com...
www.nbcnews.com...

It should always be remembered specifically in scientific circles, that scientists rarely agree unless they are all being funded by the same benefactor and that many scientists have a vested interest in alternative energy et al. This whole area of alleged "climate change" is a minefield of nepotism, capitalist greed & disinformation

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
Here are some links and sources that I promised in my earlier post.
As you can see even the Police in conjunction with the Fire Service state that arson & lightening NOT climate change is responsible for these fires.
As a rather well known and very well respected climatologist & astrophysicist succinctly puts it
"The interference by humans on the earth's climate is so negligible its akin to a pigeon crapping on Nelson's Column" also he states “It's a massive ideological tool by the globalists who are under massive pressure right now to justify the de-industrialisation agenda making super profits for the biggest corporations and more and more money for the super rich.” - Piers Corbyn BSc MSc

www.zerohedge.com...
www.nbcnews.com...

It should always be remembered specifically in scientific circles, that scientists rarely agree unless they are all being funded by the same benefactor and that many scientists have a vested interest in alternative energy et al. This whole area of alleged "climate change" is a minefield of nepotism, capitalist greed & disinformation

Piers Cornyn isn't a climatologist and, as does not have a PhD, it would be a fair stretch to define him as very well respected even as an astrophysicist.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: maddy21

The Australian Aboriginal population survived there for at least 40,000 years. They used controlled burns to flush out small game (hunting) and also to regenerate bush.

Australian trees like eucalyptus are highly fire resistant and some even require extreme heat to crack their seed pods. They are fire adapted. Old dead trees and scrubby overgrowth burn most readily. Controlled burning clears brush removes dead trees and promotes higher canopy growth trees, which in turn creates a layered canopy, which reduces water loss to evaporation. This, of course, creates true forests instead of low scrub.

For over 200 years, the Aboriginal traditional controlled burns have not happened, causing canopy forest to gradually return to scrubland. There has also been significant land clearing for crops.

In Ooleroo National Park (around Ayers Rock) the Aboriginal traditional methods were re-implemented by conservationists due to the loss of plant life and desert encroachment. These traditional methods once established, caused a re-bloom of plant life and turned vary bare desert back into a desert area with a lot of native species.

Traditional Aboriginal burning - Western Australian Parks and Wildlife Service

Traditional Aboriginal burning in modern day land management - LandCare Australia

Fire-stick farming
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Im astounded that this incredibly informative and interesting post didnt get more recognition!

Im personally deeply disturbed by the animal and plant life thats been destroyed.. some species eradicated. Extinct. The ones that live have had their native areas destroyed. We are supposed to be stewards of the land and of the animals.. yet we have lost that connection with the Earth and the things we share it with. This deeply offends me that humans did this with no care or sense of their responsibility. Im a hunter, eat meat, and stay connected as i can to the land and what lives on it. I say these idiots that did this should be sentenced to the rest of their lives to every second of every day healing the land and caring for the animals that are left. Let the aboriginals work with your governmental land management and these morons who thought fires would be cool. It can work and may even heal the evil in the ones who cared so little for the life they burnt up. Rehabilitate the evil in them along with the land.