Hey, Climate Change Activists: MANY Australian Bush Fires Are Deliberately Set

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?

Australia see temps just like this every summer

Just like California

Both were the climate is similar they have the same bushfire problems, we are seeing an increase due to far left climate alarmists exacerbating bushfires, not climate

When you see a bush fires on this scale in parts of the world it isn’t the norm, you might have a point but everything looks pretty normal

Uhhhhh I live here buddy.

There's a fire front literally under 25km's from my house, my whole beloved region is ablaze. I can assure you this is not normal

Bush fires are not unusual ere at this time of the year at all however, they do tend to occur later in summer and behave within the parameters of existing bush fire modelling.These particular fires are behaving in ways no one has seen before from the scientists to the blokes on the ground fighting them with hose in hand.

It is not normal for the Army and Navy to be evacuating 1000's of people by air and sea. It is not normal for dozens of communities to be unheard from for nearly a week, cut off from power, water, food and effective communication methods. It is not normal for millions of hectares to be burnt.

I'm no fan of the far-left...or the far right or the far anything HELL, I think you people who endlessly bicker with your supposed foes on the otherside of an ideological line of demarcation are the problem itself! But I digress. Explain to me how far left climate alarmists have caused this?

Any of you blaming a person or group are seriously over estimating the power of these people to cause, prevent and extinguish fires!

I've lived in these region most my life, nearly three decades infact and have never seen anything like it. My Dad has fought fires in this region 20 years and he says this is not normal.

But please, continue with your ill informed commentary so the people who live next to the fire ground have the facts!

Double

originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: weirdguy
I have to ask, what is that first map supposed to represent?

The first pic is all the fires reported over a 3 day period from a few days ago. To see the current fires including the recent firestorms over the last couple of days, click the link.
myfirewatch.landgate.wa.gov.au...

look guys if we HAVE to get conspiratorial about all this, how about we talk of the way so much of the water in the major Victorian waterways was sold off to farm cotton in an area really not appropriate for selling cotton, and how it's been worsening the drought we've been experiencing for far too long.... but the government were making a pretty penny doing it so the drought-starved land was ignored, right up until it caught fire, and the fires were far worse than they might have been because everything is dry...

and then after that we got all these incoherent accusations about green arsonists muddying the waters

anyone else think it feels like someone trying to pass the buck?

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM

My old man has been fighting fires in this area for 20+ years- in a fire storm situation they do not even need fuel to move from one location to another and can spread up 1km+ purely burning through the oxygen which is terrifying!!

I also live in the country side, all vineyards down here glug glug.
It snowed ash from the Kangaroo Island fires 2 nights ago and I'm just south of Adelaide.
Hope you and your hubby stay safe in the coming days, months.

a reply to: weirdguy

Many thanks Weirdguy, by old man I meant my Dad however, my wife daughter, dog and I will certainly be staying safe.

When we received a warning for our town on Thursday that we could come under ember attack on the weekend we left calmly and safely to a friends house in the next town west for a few nights - thankfully it was all a massive anti-climax.

We should be OK here for the foreseeable future but there is another fire north of us in the high country that will cause us some significant concern should temperatures spike and we get a spate of wind from the north.

This isn't over by a long shot yet....

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?

Well it has but not in the way you think. Because green movement has been jumping up and down about climate change the authorities have made it increasingly difficult to do burn-offs so the fuel in national Forrest have been increasing to dangerous levels for a number of years.

This link from volunteerfirefighters.org.au explains the problem.

Here you are climate change deniers, read this report if you can

www.bom.gov.au...

These changes affect many Australians, particularly the changes associated with increases in the frequency or intensity of heat events, fire weather and drought. Australia will need to plan for and adapt to some level of climate change.

Australia's climate has warmed just over 1 °C since 1910 leading to an increase in the frequency of extreme heat events.

Oceans around Australia have warmed by around 1 °C since 1910, contributing to longer and more frequent marine heatwaves.

The oceans around Australia are acidifying (the pH is decreasing).

originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?

Well it has but not in the way you think. Because green movement has been jumping up and down about climate change the authorities have made it increasingly difficult to do burn-offs so the fuel in national Forrest have been increasing to dangerous levels for a number of years.

This link from volunteerfirefighters.org.au explains the problem.

Bull... I have posted already in another thread a fact checking article from the Guardian Australia that cites officials including NSW Fire authorities thoroughly debunking this claim as "conspiratorial". It is Bull%^&* pure and simple. People need to stop spouting this bull%^&* so that we can actually have a serious and planned response that takes into account the reality of AGW in a disaster like this.

a reply to: weirdguy

The only constant in climate is change so when you call people deniers it's actually the "global warmists" that deny climate change. But eh I understand why you don't want call yourself "global warmists" with the weather cooling and all.

The charts you show are tainted. When old F data was converted to Celcius they dropped the decimals.

originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?

Well it has but not in the way you think. Because green movement has been jumping up and down about climate change the authorities have made it increasingly difficult to do burn-offs so the fuel in national Forrest have been increasing to dangerous levels for a number of years.

This link from volunteerfirefighters.org.au explains the problem.

Bull... I have posted already in another thread a fact checking article from the Guardian Australia that cites officials including NSW Fire authorities thoroughly debunking this claim as "conspiratorial". It is Bull%^&* pure and simple. People need to stop spouting this bull%^&* so that we can actually have a serious and planned response that takes into account the reality of AGW in a disaster like this.

The article is from the australian volunteer firefighters website. I have no interest in reading the British owned guardian website.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: weirdguy

The only constant in climate is change so when you call people deniers it's actually the "global warmists" that deny climate change. But eh I understand why you don't want call yourself "global warmists" with the weather cooling and all.

The charts you show are tainted. When old F data was converted to Celcius they dropped the decimals.

Read the report

originally posted by: weirdguy

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: weirdguy

The only constant in climate is change so when you call people deniers it's actually the "global warmists" that deny climate change. But eh I understand why you don't want call yourself "global warmists" with the weather cooling and all.

The charts you show are tainted. When old F data was converted to Celcius they dropped the decimals.

Read the report

He won't believe anything that comes from a reputable scientific organisation such as the BOM. He doesn't want to believe it.

originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
Ok, I live in one of the regions of Australia that is currently on fire. Thankfully my town has been spared so far.

I can tell you that as the fires have approached, there are two cases of arson/attempted arson I am aware of. One was in a small town roughly 25km's away- a person of no fixed address was arrested and charged with arson along with drug related crimes.

Whilst we were staying at friends place in the next town west when it was starting to build to extreme conditions again somebody allegedly tried starting a fire just a few blocks south of me.

A majority of the current fires have been started by dry lightning as a result of the main fires. When bush fires here grow to a particular size and ferocity they begin to generate their own weather including thunder and electrical storms.

For the past 10 years here the bush land has been drying out at a rate no local has seen before. Many farmers, people who work and live in the bush have been saying it is the driest they have ever seen it and many have been warning of this 'perfect storm' condition for quite some time.

The severity of what is happening here can not be understated. There will be nearly nothing left of my region which encompasses a large majority of the eastern part of the state of Victoria.

This can't be fight! Trump said human climate change is not real! He is the messiah, so he cannot be wrong!

a reply to: glend

Well ABC fact check says much the same thing. But of course that's Australia's State Broadcaster so no doubt you will dismiss it. I am likely wasting my energy but here it is. I swear to god if I hear one person in real life around me spout this 'greenie' causing the bushfires nonsense things are going to get physical. These are emotional times for many of us in Australia.

According to the NSW Department of Environment, hazard reduction efforts in NSW have increased under the Enhanced Bushfire Management Program (EBMP), which came into effect in 2011.

The statewide program began with a five-year commitment to treat 135,000 hectares of bushland (on average) each year. In 2017, the NSW Government extended the program to 2022.

The NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service operates under the Rural Fires Act 1997 and under the National Parks and Wildlife Act 1974.

Over the last eight years, according to its website, the NPWS carried out hazard reduction burns in NSW parks and reserves covering more than 680,000 hectares — more than double that of the previous five-year period.

"NPWS has undertaken 80 per cent of the total hazard reduction burning effort recorded in NSW, despite managing less than 9 per cent of the state," its website states.

Their conclusion on the question of whether hazard reduction burns are effective at preventing bushfires concludes that... its complicated. They did find that they are of no use in extreme fire weather, such as we have been experiencing this season.

Fire behaviour under extreme and catastrophic conditions

Experts emphasised that in extreme and catastrophic fire conditions, the surface fuel available for burning makes next to no difference to the level of a fire's intensity.

University of Melbourne associate professor Trent Penman, who studies bushfire behaviour,told Fact Check: "Prescribed burning effectiveness decreases with [increasing] FFDI; when you exceed an FFDI of about 50, you switch from fuel-dominated to a weather-dominated fire.

"At this point, while fuel has a small effect, it is overwhelmed by the weather."

Professor Bradstock agreed, pointing to the example of Victoria's Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 that claimed the lives of 173 people.

His team studied the aftermath of the fires which were associated with an FFDI of well above 100.

They found that even in the areas where fuel had been treated with planned burns less than five years prior, there was no measurable effect on the intensity of the fires.

www.abc.net.au...

originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Does that mean climate change cannot exacerbate the problem?

Well it has but not in the way you think. Because green movement has been jumping up and down about climate change the authorities have made it increasingly difficult to do burn-offs so the fuel in national Forrest have been increasing to dangerous levels for a number of years.

This link from volunteerfirefighters.org.au explains the problem.

Hmmm... Interesting. The Volunteer Fire Fighters association is apparently, a little dubious according to the NSW Rural Fire Service.

Volunteer Fire Fighters Association is a 'politically charged' group with 'unclear motives': NSW RFS commissioner

Commissioner of the New South Wales Rural Fire Service Shane Fitzsimmons says he would put "very little store in anything the Volunteer Fire Fighters Association (VFFA) has to say," due to the lack of "access to information about who they claim to represent, how many they represent, and how they operate". Mr Fitzsimmons told Sky News the VFFA are "highly politically-charged, their leader is a failed political candidate" with unclear motivations.

www.skynews.com.au...

This is a bull#$%^ politically motivated organisation headed by a failed political candidate. Its a propaganda front you posted and totally devoid of credibility.

SERIOUSLY MAN!!!

a reply to: weirdguy

"Read the report"

Nope, already seen more crap from them than I care too. Raw data from many station show a cooling trend over last 100 years ....



But is remodelled by BOM to show a warming trend....

This remodelling – known as homogenisation – involves the detection of discontinuities and then adjustments which generally result in past temperatures being cooled relative to the present. By cooling the past, present temperatures appear hotter. For example, considering maximum temperatures at Rutherglen, the largest single drop-down (adjustment) to daily temperatures occurs from 1 January 1938 back in time. The Bureau classifies the hot summer of 1938/1939 as a ‘discontinuity’ that is ‘statistical’ in ‘cause’ and then cools all the days before 31 December 1938 by 0.6 degrees Celsius back to 1912 – the beginning of the record.

link

They have also been caught adding fake data so I am not interested pressing my point. If you care to find truth then you can research it yourself.

a reply to: glend

BULL^&$%

Here is a list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported: (There are of course many, many more)

NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)
National Academy of Sciences (NAS)
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC)
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
The Royal Society of the UK (RS) –
American Geophysical Union (AGU)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
American Institute of Physics (AIP)
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR)
American Meteorological Society (AMS)
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS)


And Here is what even some fossil fuel companies have conceded.

BP, the largest oil company in the UK and one of the largest in the world, has this opinion:

There is an increasing consensus that climate change is linked to the consumption of carbon based fuels and that action is required now to avoid further increases in carbon emissions as the global demand for energy increases.

Shell Oil says:

Shell shares the widespread concern that the emission of greenhouse gases from human activities is leading to changes in the global climate.

a reply to: harold223

Shane Fitzsimmons extradinary rise from motor mechanic to NSW RFS commissioner tells me he knows exactly how to represent the establishment. So I'd rather listen to unpaid fire fighters with nothing to loose than him.

But they are just opinions, so don't loose sleep about it.

btw did you know Methane has a global warming potential (GWP) some 104 times greater than CO2.

With fracking releasing greater levels of methane into the atmosphere (atmospheric levels of methane increased 5% in last 10 years!)



Now that is something to worry about!