How have you missed it?

My personal theory, and I do not provide evidence for it - let's call it a hunch from years of observations, and the study of History and Sociology.

The deep state is not the institutions. The deep state is global, and largely anglo/jewish. The deep state are the families and corporations holding most of the worlds capital; the Rothschilds et al - the old money if you will. To them, the institutions of liberal democracy are an annoyance. These institutions attempt to level the playing field a little - to give a little back to the people. To the global moneyed powers, these institutions mess with their need for a global underclass of toilers. For years they have pushed what has been coined 'neo-liberalism' (really just unbridled capitalism) in an attempt to take the power of institutions out of the economy, so that they can have free reign at exploiting the labourers of the globe. Today, 2019, neo-liberalism is being questioned; in many cases by the institutions of democratic state, and this threatens the hegemony of the moneyed powers. These institutions attempt to bring democracy into the economy you see and you can't have democracy getting in the way of the flow of capital now can we - well... not according to the old moneyed powers anyhow.

So where does Russia and Trump fit into all of this? I don't know for sure, I have no real evidence as I said, but this is how my gut see's it. In the case of Russia, they are governed... no wait... RULED by Vladimir Putin. Putin is an autocrat who is in effect a dictator as it stands. I would be very surprised if he ever leaves office in anything other than a wooden box. Putin is really only trying to carve out his place in history as one of Russia's great leaders. He is only in it for power and glory. To do this, he wants to solidify Russia's authority in its region by weakening the power of NATO in Europe. This also means weakening the power of the US globally. He can't do this directly because he is not stupid, he knows he would lose a direct military conflict against NATO so he uses the old tactics from the 'Art of War'... When your enemy is stronger, try and outsmart them in other words - Asymmetric war. At the moment, this means psychological war by sowing discontent and division within the enemies peoples. He is also attempting to discredit the institutions of liberal democracy so as to weaken the power and influence of the enemies societies, as well as to make sure that such ideas don't take hold in his own land. This would be a direct threat to his power you see.

Where do the globalist link into this. Well, Putin and the globalists are not of the same ilk but they share a similar disdain for the institutions of liberal democracy, thus, they both are attempting to usurp them. It is my gut feeling that Trump is a pawn of both Putin AND the globalist moneyed powers for the purpose of creating discontent, and discrediting the institutions of liberal democracy. I highly doubt Trump himself is aware of this, he is just being Trump. To conclude, there are multiple factors at play here, and Russia is one of them, but only a minor one, and only because they share certain common interests. The moneyed powers, the owners of big capital, are the real deep state, and they are fed up with the institutions of liberal democracy - bad for business you see. They would like to see open dictatorship of capital or what one might call 'Corporatocracy', with democracy completely removed from the flow of capital.

a reply to: harold223

Very good. A few little things but looks like you have a well rounded view. The main point at this time is I do see both Trump and Putin are both fighting for their nations against the globalists. Trump came out at the UN a few months ago and said the days of the globalists are over. Hillary would not of done that if she got it.

These globalist have massive resources and no real allegiance to any one nation, just their budget. George Soros is one of the big ones, the ways he has manipulated markets and promoted dissent around the globe is a truly shocking record. His influence along with others of similar minds and budgets is still quite strong in things like America media and community focus groups around the world.

CIA & Task Force on Countering Disinformation?

This 1 hour interview by Steel Truth looks at another Soros backed campaign to try and manage the information around the Arizona courts with the upcoming 2020 national election. A place with corruption and voter fraud issues.

a reply to: kwakakev

I agree in part regarding the globalists; they do not have allegiance to any one state. I disagree somewhat with Putin and Trump. Putin is, in my opinion, only fighting against the globalists by extension of fighting against NATO as NATO is to an extent the armed wing of the Global Moneyed Powers. He only has beef with them because they are in the way of his own expansionist interests. I believe Putin is primarily motivated by ego.

The same goes for Trump. I think that Trump is motivated primarily by his own ego, not any particular love for the American people like many believe, and himself has great disdain for the institutions of western democracy. Trump would love to get those pesky institutions out of the way so he can be leader for life, which, whatever he may say about the 'globalists', would play straight into their hands in the long run. In my opinion, strong institutions of governance are what is needed to offset the power of big capital, and to keep democracy in play in the process. I think the whole 'left-right' polarisation that we see in the US is exactly what the moneyed powers and Putin want for a multitude of strategic reasons. It's ludicrous really, even Bernie Sanders is only moderately left wing if you look at it in comparison to the politics of continental Europe for instance. The US is an inherently right wing land politically. It's all about polarisation and the weakening of America - united we stand, divided we fall...

a reply to: harold223

The last I have seen with a Russian invasive policy was back in the 1980's with its Afghanistan war. Was a thing on their border with Georgia after that. Since then it has been more defense in policy, managed to hold their ground in Syria and keep Assad alive. Lost some ground in Ukraine, held onto Crimea.

It is not just NATO Russia has issues with, expect they have a part to play in getting Russia kicked out of the Olympics as well. China, Middle East, Balkan States are all in its foreign policy considerations as national boarders are a fluid thing. Energy policy does have a close relationship with military agendas, so Russia feeding gas to Europe will have tensions applied to it.

Trump is a business man, he likes building things and is focused on making America great as the globalists did gut a lot of jobs of shore to cheep labor. He is trying to improve America's institutions from what I can see. He is getting a tough job with it as big tech has tweaking algorithms, shadow banning, censoring and using other tricks to favor more liberal politics. This had much more of an effect at the last election than what Russia could muster.

The fake news campaign has been insane and is helping divide the nation. Adam Shiff and his reading of a fake Trump phone call is just one clear recent example of this. The media ran with this fake version despite Trump already releasing a real transcript of the call. Trump calling out corrupt institutions is a great thing and what need to be done to make America stronger, expect more of it coming up.

originally posted by: MayRenee
Your post is saturated with inacuracy. There absolutely WAS russian interference. There absolutely were targeted audiences in the USA , phsycological warfare not only took place, but continues to this day. And it works. It works so well that thousands of members on one of the greatest debunking sites, are victims.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
This is my second time around on ats, I lost all my login info, Changed job's, could not be on as much as when I worked 3rd shift. I loved it, I loved that so many members followed the motto to "deny ignorance" and research the he'll out of every topic, debunking with facts, credible information, knowledge. [...]

Deny Ignorance does not means deny reality ...or being delusional.

FACT: The "Russia" excuse is Hillary's way of explaining away her arrogance and incompetence at LOSING the election. Only a lunatic would think that >60 million American were Russian bots

FACT: The Dossier was also paid for by Hillary. Intel agencies contradicted its false claims and the IG report condemned the FBI for changing a contradicting e-mail from the Intel agencies which they then used to illegally get a FISA warrant on Trump.

Get your facts straight
Accept the results of a democratic election
Hillary was and remains a drunk, arrogant, incompetent, corrupt and overall sh**ty candidate
Trump will be re-elected in 2020

edit on Thu Dec 19 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed quote Trim Those Quotes

Keep projecting.
It is YOUR posts that are saturated with inaccuracies.

Sure, foreign powers like China and Russia have been interfering in America for decades, BUT TO NO EFFECT.

Use basic common sense.
Facebook has at best a 0.9% conversion rate.
A few hundred thousand dollars spent by ANYONE, Russia or otherwise, will not change ANYTHING.

Again - ONE WEEK before the election, the FBI reopened the investigation into Hillary's e-mail scandal.
And you want to ignore this as having a major impact on voters.

There are not 60 million "racists" in America - again, more bunk.
Your attack on Christians is uncalled-for - they are far more moral than you will EVER be.

You are the one who is being gullible in swallowing Hillary's dingbat propaganda.

You are also GROSSLY misinformed.
Hillary was known by the electorate to have:
- Very poor record as Secretary of State
- Scandal in misspending/appropriating the Haiti Earthquake relief money
- Scandal in receiving MILLIONS fro RUSSIA for Approving the sale of Uranium1
- Scandal in Benghazi
- Scandal in PROVIDING WEAPONS TO ISIS
- Scandal in ILLEGALLY keeping classified emails AT HOME
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Weiner, the husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary's main aide
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Bill Clinton traveling 26 times to Epstein's PEDO island
You want the electorate to ignore ALL of the above and vote for Hillary anyway because..."it was her turn"
Not gonna happen.

You may be able to close your eyes to Hillary's corruption
Most people won't stand Hillary's defense of /association with both corruption and PEDOPHILIA.
FACTS are above.
Nothing to do with Russia, China, Conspiracies or whatever.
VOTERS rejected her for the ABOVE FACTS.

Next time, don't choose your candidate based on not having a penis, Hillary's ONLY attribute.

Yes, Hillary had ANOTHER (hohum) email investigation just before the vote. She still won by millions of votes. But instead we got a d list, raping, cheating, lying, stealing, foul mouthed, ignorant, uneducated failed "businessnessman" as potus. You have all the Russian talking points without the FACTS. Where are your Trump/Russia
Connection talking points? Denial is not discussion
[Vquote]originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
Your post is saturated with inacuracy. There absolutely WAS russian interference. There absolutely were targeted audiences in the USA , phsycological warfare not only took place, but continues to this day. And it works. It works so well that thousands of members on one of the greatest debunking sites, are victims.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
This is my second time around on ats, I lost all my login info, Changed job's, could not be on as much as when I worked 3rd shift. I loved it, I loved that so many members followed the motto to "deny ignorance" and research the he'll out of every topic, debunking with facts, credible information, knowledge. [...]

Deny Ignorance does not means deny reality ...or being delusional.

FACT: The "Russia" excuse is Hillary's way of explaining away her arrogance and incompetence at LOSING the election. Only a lunatic would think that >60 million American were Russian bots

FACT: The Dossier was also paid for by Hillary. Intel agencies contradicted its false claims and the IG report condemned the FBI for changing a contradicting e-mail from the Intel agencies which they then used to illegally get a FISA warrant on Trump.

Get your facts straight
Accept the results of a democratic election
Hillary was and remains a drunk, arrogant, incompetent, corrupt and overall sh**ty candidate
Trump will be re-elected in 2020

edit on Thu Dec 19 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed quote Trim Those Quotes

Keep projecting.
It is YOUR posts that are saturated with inaccuracies.

Sure, foreign powers like China and Russia have been interfering in America for decades, BUT TO NO EFFECT.

Use basic common sense.
Facebook has at best a 0.9% conversion rate.
A few hundred thousand dollars spent by ANYONE, Russia or otherwise, will not change ANYTHING.

Again - ONE WEEK before the election, the FBI reopened the investigation into Hillary's e-mail scandal.
And you want to ignore this as having a major impact on voters.

There are not 60 million "racists" in America - again, more bunk.
Your attack on Christians is uncalled-for - they are far more moral than you will EVER be.

You are the one who is being gullible in swallowing Hillary's dingbat propaganda.

You are also GROSSLY misinformed.
Hillary was known by the electorate to have:
- Very poor record as Secretary of State
- Scandal in misspending/appropriating the Haiti Earthquake relief money
- Scandal in receiving MILLIONS fro RUSSIA for Approving the sale of Uranium1
- Scandal in Benghazi
- Scandal in PROVIDING WEAPONS TO ISIS
- Scandal in ILLEGALLY keeping classified emails AT HOME
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Weiner, the husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary's main aide
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Bill Clinton traveling 26 times to Epstein's PEDO island
You want the electorate to ignore ALL of the above and vote for Hillary anyway because..."it was her turn"
Not gonna happen.

You may be able to close your eyes to Hillary's corruption
Most people won't stand Hillary's defense of /association with both corruption and PEDOPHILIA.
FACTS are above.
Nothing to do with Russia, China, Conspiracies or whatever.
VOTERS rejected her for the ABOVE FACTS.

Next time, don't choose your candidate based on not having a penis, Hillary's ONLY attribute.

Yes, Hillary had ANOTHER (hohum) email investigation just before the vote. She still won by millions of votes. But instead we got a d list, raping, cheating, lying, stealing, foul mouthed, ignorant, uneducated failed "businessman" as potus. One that Putin campaigned for.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
Your post is saturated with inacuracy. There absolutely WAS russian interference. There absolutely were targeted audiences in the USA , phsycological warfare not only took place, but continues to this day. And it works. It works so well that thousands of members on one of the greatest debunking sites, are victims.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
This is my second time around on ats, I lost all my login info, Changed job's, could not be on as much as when I worked 3rd shift. I loved it, I loved that so many members followed the motto to "deny ignorance" and research the he'll out of every topic, debunking with facts, credible information, knowledge. [...]

Deny Ignorance does not means deny reality ...or being delusional.

FACT: The "Russia" excuse is Hillary's way of explaining away her arrogance and incompetence at LOSING the election. Only a lunatic would think that >60 million American were Russian bots

FACT: The Dossier was also paid for by Hillary. Intel agencies contradicted its false claims and the IG report condemned the FBI for changing a contradicting e-mail from the Intel agencies which they then used to illegally get a FISA warrant on Trump.

Get your facts straight
Accept the results of a democratic election
Hillary was and remains a drunk, arrogant, incompetent, corrupt and overall sh**ty candidate
Trump will be re-elected in 2020

edit on Thu Dec 19 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed quote Trim Those Quotes

Keep projecting.
It is YOUR posts that are saturated with inaccuracies.

Sure, foreign powers like China and Russia have been interfering in America for decades, BUT TO NO EFFECT.

Use basic common sense.
Facebook has at best a 0.9% conversion rate.
A few hundred thousand dollars spent by ANYONE, Russia or otherwise, will not change ANYTHING.

Again - ONE WEEK before the election, the FBI reopened the investigation into Hillary's e-mail scandal.
And you want to ignore this as having a major impact on voters.

There are not 60 million "racists" in America - again, more bunk.
Your attack on Christians is uncalled-for - they are far more moral than you will EVER be.

You are the one who is being gullible in swallowing Hillary's dingbat propaganda.

You are also GROSSLY misinformed.
Hillary was known by the electorate to have:
- Very poor record as Secretary of State
- Scandal in misspending/appropriating the Haiti Earthquake relief money
- Scandal in receiving MILLIONS fro RUSSIA for Approving the sale of Uranium1
- Scandal in Benghazi
- Scandal in PROVIDING WEAPONS TO ISIS
- Scandal in ILLEGALLY keeping classified emails AT HOME
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Weiner, the husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary's main aide
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Bill Clinton traveling 26 times to Epstein's PEDO island
You want the electorate to ignore ALL of the above and vote for Hillary anyway because..."it was her turn"
Not gonna happen.

You may be able to close your eyes to Hillary's corruption
Most people won't stand Hillary's defense of /association with both corruption and PEDOPHILIA.
FACTS are above.
Nothing to do with Russia, China, Conspiracies or whatever.
VOTERS rejected her for the ABOVE FACTS.

Next time, don't choose your candidate based on not having a penis, Hillary's ONLY attribute.

The potus is an underhanded asset of Putin. Let's talk about how that happened, and what effect it has had on America. Try doing so without deflecting to Hillary or Obama. It is it's own issue. a reply to: MayRenee

I see things working better for America when the President can pick up the phone and talk to who ever he wants without the media having some cold war hissy fit that I fail to understand. Is world peace really a problem for America?

I guess this will be a problem for the cold hearted psychopaths that make a living on the misery of others while fleecing a nation.

While it has been a while, you have been on this site before. You should know by now that WTC7 did not kill its self on 9/11.

Trump saw on 9/11/2001: bombs were used in WTC


Trump knows just how dirty and rotten the swamp is. All I see in this Russia racism is the swamp monsters struggling to survive the only way they know how, through fear, intimidation and lies.

I do respect a lot the military has done and does offer. But to go to war based on lies is a level of treason I will fight till my grave.

originally posted by: MayRenee
Yes, Hillary had ANOTHER (hohum) email investigation just before the vote. She still won by millions of votes. But instead we got a d list, raping, cheating, lying, stealing, foul mouthed, ignorant, uneducated failed "businessman" as potus. One that Putin campaigned for.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
Your post is saturated with inacuracy. There absolutely WAS russian interference. There absolutely were targeted audiences in the USA , phsycological warfare not only took place, but continues to this day. And it works. It works so well that thousands of members on one of the greatest debunking sites, are victims.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
This is my second time around on ats, I lost all my login info, Changed job's, could not be on as much as when I worked 3rd shift. I loved it, I loved that so many members followed the motto to "deny ignorance" and research the he'll out of every topic, debunking with facts, credible information, knowledge. [...]

Deny Ignorance does not means deny reality ...or being delusional.

FACT: The "Russia" excuse is Hillary's way of explaining away her arrogance and incompetence at LOSING the election. Only a lunatic would think that >60 million American were Russian bots

FACT: The Dossier was also paid for by Hillary. Intel agencies contradicted its false claims and the IG report condemned the FBI for changing a contradicting e-mail from the Intel agencies which they then used to illegally get a FISA warrant on Trump.

Get your facts straight
Accept the results of a democratic election
Hillary was and remains a drunk, arrogant, incompetent, corrupt and overall sh**ty candidate
Trump will be re-elected in 2020

edit on Thu Dec 19 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed quote Trim Those Quotes

Keep projecting.
It is YOUR posts that are saturated with inaccuracies.

Sure, foreign powers like China and Russia have been interfering in America for decades, BUT TO NO EFFECT.

Use basic common sense.
Facebook has at best a 0.9% conversion rate.
A few hundred thousand dollars spent by ANYONE, Russia or otherwise, will not change ANYTHING.

Again - ONE WEEK before the election, the FBI reopened the investigation into Hillary's e-mail scandal.
And you want to ignore this as having a major impact on voters.

There are not 60 million "racists" in America - again, more bunk.
Your attack on Christians is uncalled-for - they are far more moral than you will EVER be.

You are the one who is being gullible in swallowing Hillary's dingbat propaganda.

You are also GROSSLY misinformed.
Hillary was known by the electorate to have:
- Very poor record as Secretary of State
- Scandal in misspending/appropriating the Haiti Earthquake relief money
- Scandal in receiving MILLIONS fro RUSSIA for Approving the sale of Uranium1
- Scandal in Benghazi
- Scandal in PROVIDING WEAPONS TO ISIS
- Scandal in ILLEGALLY keeping classified emails AT HOME
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Weiner, the husband of Huma Abedin, Hillary's main aide
- Scandal with PEDOPHILIA with Bill Clinton traveling 26 times to Epstein's PEDO island
You want the electorate to ignore ALL of the above and vote for Hillary anyway because..."it was her turn"
Not gonna happen.

You may be able to close your eyes to Hillary's corruption
Most people won't stand Hillary's defense of /association with both corruption and PEDOPHILIA.
FACTS are above.
Nothing to do with Russia, China, Conspiracies or whatever.
VOTERS rejected her for the ABOVE FACTS.

Next time, don't choose your candidate based on not having a penis, Hillary's ONLY attribute.

Still not registering I see.
Impervious to facts- 100% emotional

Clearly, you care about only one thing, "woman president", no matter if the reality is that Hillary is the one defending rapist and PEDOPHILE Bill Clinton, quite aside from Hillary being grossly corrupt and incompetent.
You don't care.
"woman president" or bust

TRUMP WAS AND IS THE BETTER CHOICE BASED ON FACTS.
TRUMP is also the better choice based on results ( that Hillary would NOT have achieved):
- end of US involvement in war in Syria
- end of US supply of weapons to ISIS
- record high stock market
- 50 year low unemployment
- booming economy
Trump will be re-elected.
Learn to accept results of democratic elections.

originally posted by: MayRenee
The potus is an underhanded asset of Putin. . a reply to: MayRenee

Nope.
False assertion - Mueller found none
Just robot-like repeating Hillary talking points

It is absolutely useless. You guys are completely lost. The biggest conspiracy here, is yourselves. You are victims and don't even know you are. Wow. a reply to: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
It is absolutely useless. You guys are completely lost. The biggest conspiracy here, is yourselves. You are victims and don't even know you are. Wow. a reply to: M5xaz

Projecting again.
You are the one who's a victim of HILLARY'S propaganda for the gullible.

I have tried facts, but you are clearly only emotional.
Let's try this instead.
The following will probably register more with your education and information level.
Pretend you are watching TV and I'm CNN and showing you how Hillary really is:






And quite aside from the fact she had to rig the Democratic primary in order to win the DNC nomination, caused this to happen:


and then THIS:


So, aside from high population centers on the East and West coasts, Hillary was REJECTED by most of America!
(That's the parts colored in red in the picture above).

Understand better now ?

On the day of the election Hillary was so angry and drunk, she REFUSED to even meet with her supporters at her election HQ after the vote was finalized, a disgrace unprecedented in US Presidential election history.

Because this made her look bad, Hillary chose to do this instead:


and this:


Which is why, water always finding its own level, we today now have this, people finding their proper places:


Clear now ?
Glad to help !

Cheers!

a reply to: MayRenee

It is absolutely useless. You guys are completely lost. The biggest conspiracy here, is yourselves. You are victims and don't even know you are. Wow.

Can you please help me? Why is Russia bad?

I see that you were/are an easy mark. You have all the most plants around Russian propaganda. And you still don't understand that you were studied targeted and marked.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: MayRenee
It is absolutely useless. You guys are completely lost. The biggest conspiracy here, is yourselves. You are victims and don't even know you are. Wow. a reply to: M5xaz

Projecting again.
You are the one who's a victim of HILLARY'S propaganda for the gullible.

I have tried facts, but you are clearly only emotional.
Let's try this instead.
The following will probably register more with your education and information level.
Pretend you are watching TV and I'm CNN and showing you how Hillary really is:

And quite aside from the fact she had to rig the Democratic primary in order to win the DNC nomination, caused this to happen:

and then THIS:

So, aside from high population centers on the East and West coasts, Hillary was REJECTED by most of America!
(That's the parts colored in red in the picture above).

Understand better now ?

On the day of the election Hillary was so angry and drunk, she REFUSED to even meet with her supporters at her election HQ after the vote was finalized, a disgrace unprecedented in US Presidential election history.

Because this made her look bad, Hillary chose to do this instead:

and this:

Which is why, water always finding its own level, we today now have this, people finding their proper places:

Clear now ?
Glad to help !

Cheers!

a reply to: MayRenee

Projecting again .
I gave you FACTS
You gave me NOTHING

a reply to: MayRenee

Thanks for posting that again I nearly missed it.
I hope those Clinton's are found out and put to death.

There is nothing I could give you . I can hand you the video of trump screwing Katie at Epstein's house and you wouldn't believe it . Are you would have some excuse for it or you would blame the 14 year old girl . That's how Lost You Are . Sad. a reply to: M5xaz

a reply to: MayRenee

There is nothing I could give you

All I am asking for is a case for why Russia is bad and why I should hate them. Do you think it is a problem when there is nothing you can give me?

I am just trying to deny ignorance here.