Where do I go when I die?

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Come on now, were are all going to die at some time, and we have no clue as to what that really means spiritually...another clingy word in itself, and purely and simple a product of projection out...aka, a theory.
I take it you do know of those religious scientists in conflict who's regime is to talk, argue about, "Intelligent design" simply because it seems that way...aka another theory?
We have no clue at our present state, nor do we know, how far we can go as to defining the end of everything, which is pretty much what science says is the ultimate event..which in itself, is a theory.

I've no objection to people looking for death comfort zones, or discomfort zones for that matter, but as of now, there is nobody on this Earth is going to tell about what is after death categories.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Earth is paradise, its just that American corporate dictatorship is fking it up for everyone.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: DeathSlayerYou talk about Jesus and paradise demons and such, if that's not biblical I
don't know what you would call it then.

The concepts of demons, angels, paradise, the underworld(Hell) and saviors pre-date the bible by millennia, so he doesn't have to be referring to the bible to talk about them. Jesus yes, but the rest no.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

When you die will you go to heaven? The short answer is no.

When I die I've been assured by Christ I will go to heaven and not you or anyone else can tell me 'no'.

That's the 'short' answer.

For anyone who chooses to believe.

That's the simple answer.

And they're both the truth.

That's the last answer.

a reply to: silo13

When I die I've been assured by Christ I will go to heaven and not you or anyone else can tell me 'no'.

Just curious. When you say "assured by christ", do you mean you believe he made that assurance in the bible, or do you mean he assured you personally?

As I said, just curious, I have no intention of arguing the point either way.

originally posted by: Floridadreamin
Does a belief of God or Jesus have an impact on your afterlife?

So, you must be an Israelite to enter heaven?

Could you be haunted by an angry ex or family member who has passed?

Asking for a friend.

Also, what about pets and animals? Do they have souls?
How do we know?

Answers according to Vedic scripture (which provides much more insight into the nature of the soul and afterlife).

1st question: yes
2nd: no
3rd: don't know
5th: yes

originally posted by: Floridadreamin
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Also, what about pets and animals? Do they have souls?
How do we know?

Yes, animals are souls like us, they're closer to humans than most people think. Once they were humans.

You started to loose me right here.

I cannot recall anyone in the paranormal business

But when you got to here, you lost me completely. That's where I stopped.

They have however made contact with people who are in paradise.

You are trying to tie Christianity to sorcery.
It don't work that way bud. You're really mixed up.

a reply to: silo13

When I die I've been assured by Christ I will go to heaven and not you or anyone else can tell me 'no'.

[...]

And they're both the truth.

I'd be very cautious when I have my mind already set about an opinion. Strong opinions need strong proofs.

If people *say* that one thing is true, that doesn't make it necessarily so, even if there are too many people saying that. If people say that "one will be saved just by believing in the Son", that doesn't make it a truism. My motto in judging the reality is "it doesn't matter what I *think*, it matters what the reality is".

The road to heaven is a journey, it's gradual, that will take as much time as how much evolved the individual is on the scale of the morality, spirituality and personal connection with God. So as long as you're assured only by God Himself that you'll be saved, if/when He communicates personally to you (like talking to you), then you can be fully sure about it. Just lead a moral life and follow and trust God only, and you'll be golden, the door of salvation will open for you.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Just quite possibly all souls on earth are already dead.

This deception of life/freedom/choice that we endure on earth could very well be the paradise you discuss above where we live here on earth to try to right past discretions and therefore if righted we pass to heaven - otherwise it's back you go to Paradise for another round/try.

Nothing on this fragile unpredictable planet earth in reality really makes any sense other than love.
"Hell on earth" - correct this is why we share this realm with all manner of spirits, all vying to find the key to the narrow gate - few do, 144000 if scripture and your story telling is believed (unlikely) the 144000 is the number of souls called upon to serve in the battle of Armageddon not the number that will actually find themselves worthy of a place in heaven.


The only place "made to punish humans" is this planet, its deprivation, isolation, misfortune and vulnerability.


Humanity deserves to be abandoned and judging by recorded historical behaviour and an open outlook at the state of humanity still - most, vast majority will continue to be reincarnated back to hell to try to learn.

Doesn't matter what you think you've studied - as all you studied is those demons/ghosts ramblings from other souls they managed to overtake and force a particular set of beliefs to be the deceivably driving force for new souls.

Anyone who wants to leave this rock permanently on the path to heaven must reject all of this planets so called necessities, find inner peace in totality whilst giving the same consideration to all.

So this hell is paradise to the ignorant and hell to the less ignorant. A precursor if you like.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Four Theories On What Happens After Death

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Well, your ability to travel is significantly curtailed.



I'd actually say that your substance and existence are etched permanently upon the structure of the universe, just coded into a different stretch of time.

That's enough for a loving God to work with.

"Behold, I have inscribed you on the palms of my hands". - God, in Isaiah 49:16

a reply to: Nickn3

An NDE is when you are aware that you are dead and no longer reside inside your body. Your spirit leaves the body and then returns later. Most NDE's last from 1-30 minutes. 30 mins being the extreme.

a reply to: Lazarus Short

Hello

You are aware that we all have a body, mind and spirit, Yes?

If you do not believe this then you will remain stuck in a false direction of life after death. One reason from many why the dead are stuck on this planet and have not moved on.

Resurrection and paradise are two seperate issues.

For you - I know you have studied God's word but think about this for a second.... God said in Genesis, lets make man in our image. What does this mean? God is a spirit. He is not human though he looks human. Each and everyone of you have a living spirit inside you. So you think when you die the spirit also goes to the grave? It does not, only the body and yet your spirit lives on.

The body sleeps at death and that is 100% correct but again we are more than a body. This can be easily tested if you seek truth and knowledge with an open mind. FIRST hand knowledge is always best BUT fear stops most people for doing correct research in the paranormal worlds....

So you think when the body dies and goes to the grave so does your spirit? What does the spirit do in the grave. Lay there awake waiting for the "body" resurrection? NO, the dead body waits for a resurrection not your spirit. It is crucial at this point to understand the basics in the spiritual worlds.... because if you don't you will be surprised and overwhelmed at time of death.

Everyone has a sixth sense. Ever feel like someone is watching you but you see nothing? Our spirit has this sixth sense. It recognizes both dark and light entities and once our mind comprehends this sixth sense our body responds in a negative or positive way. A sixth sense is not sorcery. Researching death is not sorcery and exorcism is not sorcery.

Do you understand this secret...."Walking in the spirit"?

About 20 years ago at an exorcism the priest asked the possessed lady how do know the difference between God's children and those that have walked away and rejected God? The answer was simple...she said it was the LIGHT. They can see the light. This light either grows and gets brighter or gets dimmer all based on your beliefs !! The brighter the light the closer you are to God.

For those who reject the idea of man having a spirit inside of them will always be confused from the many false teachings in religion. The dark side shows itself

I know I should have written much more in OP but I am lazy. White paper threads is too much for me and BORING for many reasons. So throughout this thread I will try to answer some questions...

DS

originally posted by: Veryolduser
I have had a few different occurrences with shadow people

3 figures near my bed one night almost like they had been taking notes.

One extremely disturbing experience with sleep paralysis like something was in the room with me it crept up beside me I tried to get a look at it “it was impossible” couldn’t move something told me I wouldn’t be able to comprehend the terror that this thing truely was “it was like being in an HP love craft novel” you got no details just extreme dread and a feeling this thing was beyond evil- frozen in place like your mind was trying to protect you from something that would make you go insane. This thing moved on the bed you could sense the weight I was lying on my side and somehow it moved it’s hands over my mouth in a slow motion to draw out the fear “ I screamed internally” all I could do was look and try to open the door/ get on the floor/ everyone walk the dinosaur.

Not uncommon. This is what is called a "feeding". This happens to many people worldwide. When people are scared as hell, they give off a hormone into the air that spirits feed on. Children can produce more of this hormone than adults, the reason why children are often targetedand not adults. The more powerful ones feed on your body and spirit which will make you always tired, sick, constant headaches and short tempered. Next time this happens try to remain calm and if you are a praying man...then say prayers to yourself and this will speed up the visit and it will leave. If you do nothing about this it will return throughout your life.

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Originally posted by DeathSlayer
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Actually the information I am about to release you might not find complete on ATS or any other website (I think) because this information comes from the dead and not the living.
…

How can you trust your sources…?

How do you know they aren’t all Demons…feeding you false information…?

- JC

You have asked a question that is a BIG secret within the walls of the Vatican and other religions- you asked how do you know they aren't all demons feeding false information... I would like to answer this but it is best left alone. Both sides (dark and light) have effective battle plans. The best way I can explain this is.....these battle plans change like on a real battle field and each side tortures the other side for information. There are ways to torture spirits and not hurt the human body. Most will "Cut a Deal" but it can take time; days, weeks even months.

I apologize for being vague in this question but I will not disclose this secret to anyone on ATS including in PM because I do not know you. I hope you understand.

Both the dark and the light are everywhere including here at ATS.... and I have been SPIRITUALLY attacked by two ATS members with powerful OBE connections to the dark side. They failed miserably and I no longer see them on ATS and I will leave it at that.

Like I stated in the OP ghost can become demonic similar/equal to a poltergeist which did not come from hell. They are filled with hate and jealousy which can occur to the best of us if stranded on earth at time of death. It happens with time and this is the danger by being "left behind on earth as a living spirit" - walking to and fro.... you change over time.

Often demons supply false information with truth and they love to communicate. Communication builds a bridge between the living and the dead. Why? To be connected to flesh and its temptations which leads to possession and/or to kill you through all types of illnesses and accidents. Most have that capability.

Ghost can be as deadly as dealing with a demon. Small amounts of compassion for most ghost, no mercy for demons.... even those who cry and beg (which are many).

DS

Does a belief of God or Jesus have an impact on your afterlife?

So, you must be an Israelite to enter heaven?

Could you be haunted by an angry ex or family member who has passed?

Asking for a friend.

Also, what about pets and animals? Do they have souls?


WOW great questions and I see you are sincere. I immediately felt a sense of urgency in your message.

So here we go:

Does a belief of God or Jesus have an impact on your afterlife?YES in more ways then you could imagine.

So, you must be an Israelite to enter heaven?No one can answer this question with 100% accuracy. I simply repeated what the apostle John stated in the book of Revelation. I have not done much research in this area BUT those 144,000 will be Israelites who will assist God's kingdom. They will NOT see a resurrection.

Could you be haunted by an angry ex or family member who has passed? YES!!!! This happens all the time. I bet your friend lives in a home where a relative died. Am I correct? Two options either bring in a medium or move. The dead that are grounded to earth can not move but are binded to a specific place/area. Hauntings always leads to illness everytime and if you don't address this issue it can lead to death. Often relationships are destroyed due to hauntings.

Also, what about pets and animals? Do they have souls? I have done very little investigations into pets and animals who have passed on. If I had to guess I would say YES based upon seeing animals, insects, and creatures that live in the demonic world.

Hope this helps,

DS

originally posted by: smurfy
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Come on now, were are all going to die at some time, and we have no clue as to what that really means spiritually...another clingy word in itself, and purely and simple a product of projection out...aka, a theory.
I take it you do know of those religious scientists in conflict who's regime is to talk, argue about, "Intelligent design" simply because it seems that way...aka another theory?
We have no clue at our present state, nor do we know, how far we can go as to defining the end of everything, which is pretty much what science says is the ultimate event..which in itself, is a theory.

I've no objection to people looking for death comfort zones, or discomfort zones for that matter, but as of now, there is nobody on this Earth is going to tell about what is after death categories.

I disagree with your logic.

Sounds like fear to me.

DS

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: DeathSlayerYou talk about Jesus and paradise demons and such, if that's not biblical I
don't know what you would call it then.

The concepts of demons, angels, paradise, the underworld(Hell) and saviors pre-date the bible by millennia, so he doesn't have to be referring to the bible to talk about them. Jesus yes, but the rest no.

I agree


Many are scared of the truth and do NOT want to know. They live inside a bubble convincing themselves of what their reality is true until something steps out of the dark or light.

Most people who first see something paranormal immediately disregard it with either I had a moment of insanity or my eyesight etc.... whatever to convince themselves what they saw was not real because most people cannot cope with angels, demons, ghosts, God, Satan, etc.....way to scary for many.....

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: DeathSlayer

When you die will you go to heaven? The short answer is no.

When I die I've been assured by Christ I will go to heaven and not you or anyone else can tell me 'no'.

That's the 'short' answer.

For anyone who chooses to believe.

That's the simple answer.

And they're both the truth.

That's the last answer.

I am happy you communicate with Christ so describe him to me.

I too know Christ as many do.

OK, tell you what.... just tell me what color is his hair and eyes are? Can you do this for me?

peace

DS