Boris Johnson Apologises After Four-Year-Old Boy Had To Sleep On Hospital Floor

a reply to: eletheia

We all have an NHS, Scotland, England, Ireland, and Wales.

Westminster is the problem.

So is Nicola all the same, she needs to be in it to win it, and she's floundering, then again so is Government in general.

Where is the big picture 50 years down the line?

What is it we as the UK envisage as our future?

originally posted by: andy06shake

End of the day there has, and is, a stealth eugenics war being waged against our poor, sick, and mentally infirm.
Near enough 150,000 people now dead Freeborn, and gone, down to Tory austerity jizz.

Austerity is not a disease, it doesn't cause heart failure, cancer, liver/kidney

diseases's, accidents sepsis, or even 'old age' which are all killers...... and not every

one can be saved.........There is only one certainity in life, and that is death.

a reply to: andy06shake

Crisis actor to push someone's agenda?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Where is the big picture 50 years down the line?

What is it we as the UK envisage as our future?

You better ask Nicola what her plans are.......

She's the one demanding independence so that she can rejoin the EU

a reply to: andy06shake

You know as well as anyone that I am a fierce opponent of Austerity and believe it is a particularly vile and vindictive pursuit of a political ideology targeting the most vulnerable and needy in our society that was/is wrapped up, spun and sold incorrectly as an economic necessity.

And I am a passionate supporter of the NHS who believes it both could and should be even better than what it is.
Managed and funded correctly it should be the shining beacon of what a universal health care system can achieve.

But to lay all its failings on The Tories is inaccurate.

The NHS should be apolitical and we shouldn't allow any of our politicians anywhere near it.
Surely the last few years have shown us just how incompetent and self-aggrandising they are and they operate in a system where political party line will always take precedent over what is morally right or wrong.

We shouldn't let them anywhere near something so important and integral to society's functioning.

Personally I'd apply the same criteria to education as well.....its far too important, we shouldn't let politicians have any sort of say on it at all.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: FredT

Compassion is something most people who work in the UK do it for, money is not everything to some people.

Compassion only get so far and if you cannot support you family people leave. Unless you are a Nursing Nun you should and deserve compensation

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: alldaylong
31 October 1996 – First PFI hospital opens in Scotland Ferryfield House, a £32 million community hospital for the treatment of patients with dementia opens its doors in Edinburgh. It is the first of many NHS facilities to be provided through PFI

As far as I am aware and as Nicola Sturgeon keeps on telling us that the Scots

have their own NHS which is better than England's.

I was referring to the Westminster government and there are links for all my

quotes on my posts.

1996 was still very much Westminster.

a reply to: Freeborn

Fecking politicians.

Can't live with them, can't shoot them.

Its a predicament.

I agree on education, funnily enough politicians could be doing with a real one of those.

a reply to: eletheia

Your forgot taxes.

That's another certainty.

Austerity might not be a disease, but it can indeed create them through the neglect and mistreatment of our vulnerable people.

a reply to: eletheia

Think we would be happy with some Bucks Fizz right now. LoL

It's not like we are looking for a bottle of Vintage Dom Pérignon service, just proper funding and weans not on floors.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Think we would be happy with some Bucks Fizz right now. LoL
It's not like we are looking for a bottle of Vintage Dom Pérignon service, just proper funding and weans not on floors.

To be honest the floor or ground is where many many people receive the treatment

that saves their lives...... thats where first responder's treat them when its a

matter of life and death. I'm not too proud to be treated there to save my life!



To address your other point taxes are not a sure thing low earners do not pay tax

unless you are including indirect tax.

a reply to: eletheia

There are other kinds of tax bar monies eletheia.

And those low earners still pay national insurance.

Everybody pays, one way or the other, there is always a cost.

As to the floor, hospital floors are manky, and the wee fellow was not treated on the floor, but left to sleep there.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: alldaylong
31 October 1996 – First PFI hospital opens in Scotland Ferryfield House, a £32 million community hospital for the treatment of patients with dementia opens its doors in Edinburgh. It is the first of many NHS facilities to be provided through PFI

As far as I am aware and as Nicola Sturgeon keeps on telling us that the Scots

have their own NHS which is better than England's.

I was referring to the Westminster government and there are links for all my

quotes on my posts.

The Scottish Parliament was established under the Blair Government in 1999.

Therefore the 1996 PFI Hospital in Scotland was all down to Westminster decision making.

a reply to: carewemust

Or the poor little kid was left to sleep on the floor because there were no beds available!

If it was a staged event why do you imagine the NHS trust has already issued a statement and apology?

"Dr Yvette Oade, chief medical officer at Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, said the hospital was “extremely sorry” that no bed was available in the treatment room".

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

There are other kinds of tax bar monies eletheia.
And those low earners still pay national insurance.

It may only be me but I always equate the two seperately.........

Tax - Paying my way in life

N.I. - 'Insurance' paying for my health.

As to the floor, hospital floors are manky, and the wee fellow was not treated on the floor, but left to sleep there.

Personally I still can't get my head around that as a mother and grandmother and as

another member has said there is no way I would have put ANY child of mine on

the floor...... I would have held them, pushed two chairs together sent home for

two firm setee cushions, or inflatable lilos, camp chair, campbed, car in the

carpark (heat and comfort)....anything but the floor !!but then thats just me.


I would be more concerned with my childs welfare than selfies and social media fame.

a reply to: eletheia

I tend to agree with the parental floor situation.

I would have come up with something or fabricated it myself.

Thing is, the staff must have seen him there, you would think they may have informed the mother as to the floor being a hotbed of germs, especially with the little fellow having suspected Pneumonia.

That's what people do now when the fell outraged, they take pics, as crazy as that may be.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: eletheia

Thing is, the staff must have seen him there, you would think they may have informed the mother as to the floor being a hotbed of germs, especially with the little fellow having suspected Pneumonia.

And that is down to the stupid pc culture we are all in now!!

I am constantly amazed on what 'professionals' are allowed and not allowed

to do.

I go to a doctors and they explain in detail (time consuming of which they dont

have much) the ins and outs of the effected organs I neither understand nor

care I just want the medication or cure. eg. I say Its my leg I expect them

to touch it, but they have to *ask* if they can touch/look at it WHY

Why would I disagree...... They are the experts, the ones with the knowledge

and thats what I'm there for. /smh p.c. culture.

a reply to: eletheia

Sheer madness really. LoL

originally posted by: PaddyInf
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Low band 5 starting wage for a UK nurse is £24'214. Under the recently announced NHS pay increases they will be on £30'112 by year 4 post entry into the NHS. This is basic rate, not including overtime or unsocial hours additional pay which they get for nights/weekends/public holidays etc. (Time + 30% for Saturday or weekday night shift, time + 60% for holidays & Sundays).

Not brilliant, but not terrible.

Burger flippers make $28k pounds in California. EVERY target cashier currently makes $21k pounds, and will be making $24k pounds starting in 2020. So high school dropout cashiers make the same starting wage as an RN in the UK. You don't think that is terrible? My wife as an RN started at $34k pounds, and after just a few years is making $46k pounds. And we live in a very low cost of living state. If we lived where I grew up the wage is about $70k pounds for an RN with just a few years experience. Do nurses there get cost of living adjustments for living in places like London?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Can't argue with the logic there, after all, some of the poor souls have been known to have to resort to the use of foodbanks.

And that's skilled professionals that are employed.

Much needed people who care for others, as a calling more than a profession, for rather a few who follow the in the field of medical health care.

It's a big reason why I do not want national healthcare in America. The only way to keep costs low is to keep wages low. I actually am a proponent of single payer health insurance (with private healthcare), but only if it was done right which is not possible currently.