I Am An American

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Jay-morris

No you are the one who doesn’t understand. I am
A Patriot because I love my country, not because I love the leaders. You said that we should care more about other countries. I eschew that because we do care about other countries and do more than pretty much everyone and the world took advantage. I explained about the Intl Bankers and money changers. They have no loyalty and this will do terrible things. I agreed with you that our leaders do terrible things in our name but I don’t have to engage in anti Americanism just because a bunch of socialists think we need to do more.

No, you still do mot get it! Tribal love always turns to tribal war. How doing governments get away with what they do? Because they say they are doing it for the live of the country, to keep them safe. Why do we see little uproar when governments do terrible things? Because we have been conditioned and brainwashed not too!

The only reason you love your country, is Because you were brought up to love and die for your country. Be it from your parents or from school.

You
Have NO IDEA about me or my motivations except what I’ve told you. I said nothing about howwas brought up, but my father was in the 82nd aireborne and jumped out of an airplane to save people in the concentration camps in Germany so I’ll thank you not to judge my upbringing. I also have a Revolutionary Patriot in my ancestry so I’ll thank you to shut up about my tribe. Furthermore, I have no sympathy for those who are traitors to my country or to any other sovereign nation. It is the communists and the Globalists and followers of George Soros and the Open Borders crowd who have sold you the bill of goods of Internationalism and collectivist ideology. And I’m here to tell you without a doubt that it is a completely destructive ideology. It is these people who have pushed forward with invading other countries because they see the others as NOT Sovereign.

Oh dear! You still do not understand what I am saying. Soldiers who die in war, be it your country or another. Do you think the people who sends them to war give a sh$t about them? Do you think they give a sh#t about their family? Do you think they give a sh#t if they die? No they do not! All they care about is control and power. People will blindly go into to war for their country, justified or not! Why? Because they are told to. They are told they are doing it for the people of their country, to keep their country safe! It's all BS!

Yes you can say wars like ww1 and ww2 were justified, but how many pointless wars and invasions happen because it benafits the powers that control this world.

How do they get away with it? Like I said, they condition and brainwash people from a young age to die for their country. That their country is all thst matters. Hence the reason we see horrors, and people do nothing about it. They say jump, we say how high!

Do you think these sociopaths would get away with it if they did not condition people from birth with blind patrioism? Of course not!

Oh dear... the New World Order operates out of every country now so please stop
Lecturing me on America. Governments all around the world are complicit in this. Have you ever seen a list of Bilderberg attendees who control the world from their secret hiding places and behind closed doors where even a complicit media doesn’t get to go ? Or perhaps you don’t care. They are Royals, bankers, industrialists, tech giants, and so on.
So please drop the America is evil cr$&. Participants in the 2019 meeting are from
Turkey, France, Denmark, Italy, Bulgaria, Sweden ( who would have seen that coming) and other places.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
It went right over your head. The New World Order is the American Order.

A kinder gentler tyrant who even has its servants defending it on the webs because they believe the "holy tales" they were told about their founding fathers.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Oh dear... the New World Order operates out of every country now so please stop
Lecturing me on America

Perfect example of brainwashing! Even though I have said many time that this is not an attack on America but also governments worldwide, you think I am attacking the America only! Sadly most of the world population is brainwashed into blind patrioism, not just American people.

Governments all around the world are complicit

Again! Read my posts!

The rest of your post is you rambling, without taking in anything I have said!

a reply to: JayMorris
Ok Jay, to be fair, yes these wars are created by the power elite. Eisenhower warmed us of the military/industrial complex.
There has been a campaign of anti-Americanism for a number of years. It intensified under the Obama admin. Many people know, even if they do not want to admit that Obama fully intended to take America down a notch. Dinesh D’Souza talked about that in this documentary film. This is what’s wrong with Internationalism. It is meant to destroy national sovereignty. There is NOTHING wrong with national sovereignty. The power elite is trying to convince people that it’s bad. That is the Open Borders crowd.
You picked on my upbringing do I just let you have it! I won’t apologize. All that €£#] about tribes is more Open Borders nonsense. We all live in tribes since the beginning of man.
If you really want to get spiritual about it, Theosophy teaches about the “root races”, which span millennia. We are taking Atlantis, Lemuria and so on.
Then there’s the twelve tribes of Israel, numbering a total of 144,000. In the book of Enoch it is explained that the angels who fell from Heaven saw the daughters of men and wanted them. They taught men the art of war and of adorning the body with jewelry.

Then along came communism. Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto. He thought to do away with the nuclear family and private property. This has had devastating consequences. Yet the very people pushing this on us have plenty of their own property that they would deny us through excessive taxation, part of the Marxist plot.
So go ahead and gripe at me, but I assure you I know what I am talking about.
I’m actually surprised that someone with your caliber of understanding has fallen for the collectivism of the One World Government

a reply to: Jay-morris

You’re accusing me of being brainwashed, and yet you are the one who has fallen for the collectivist agenda of the New World Order. Are you sure you don’t work for George Soros? Because he hates America and doesn’t want America to be powerful and sovereign.

where's the vomit emoji

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: SonOfTheLawOfOne

Do Americans have some sort of insecurity issue?

They keep going on about their foundation. You don't here that from any ATS members from other countries and how their country began.

Weird.

Only to those ignorant of the nature of the origins and meaning of founding of the USA.

This country is unique. Using any competent web search engine will help you answer the question as to why.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
This country is unique.

Only to those ignorant of the nature of the origins and meaning of founding of other countries.

Fantastic post. Reading McCullough's book on Adams woke me up to a giant of a man, truly an unsung hero that help found and preserve the early Republic. History hangs on a hair and men like Adams have been the ones to make the difference.

originally posted by: daskakik
"This country is unique."

Only to those ignorant of the nature of the origins and meaning of founding of other countries.

Ok, maybe I'm wrong. What other Nations were founded on Liberty and Justice, where the Citizen is the Sovereign, as opposed to the State.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Ok, maybe I'm wrong. What other Nations were founded on Liberty and Justice, where the Citizen is the Sovereign, as opposed to the State.

Most of the countries in the Americas fought against European monarchs for their freedom.

Also, many, not just in the Americas but worldwide, have adopted the US type of Constitutional Republic. They might have problems with corruption and keeping politicians from chipping away at their constitutions but that would make them more like the US than different.

This list has 142 republics in it. Some no longer exist or are no longer republics and I guess someone could check each one and compile a shorter list of true constitutional republics.
List of countries by date of transition to republican system of government

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Jay-morris

You’re accusing me of being brainwashed, and yet you are the one who has fallen for the collectivist agenda of the New World Order. Are you sure you don’t work for George Soros? Because he hates America and doesn’t want America to be powerful and sovereign.

Do people normally turn around and say they are conditioned or brainwashed? No, they do not, so of course you are not going to agree with me, or see the bigger picture. You can go on about the new world order as much as you like, but the fact of the matter is, you and most people have been Brainwashed from a young age!

originally posted by: daskakik
"Ok, maybe I'm wrong. What other Nations were founded on Liberty and Justice, where the Citizen is the Sovereign, as opposed to the State."

Most of the countries in the Americas fought against European monarchs for their freedom.

I know that - and how many of them set up Constitutional Republics where the Citizen is the Sovereign?

Also, many, not just in the Americas but worldwide, have adopted the US type of Constitutional Republic.

Really? They recognize unalienable Rights granted by God, and secured by said Constitutions? Which ones?

a reply to: tanstaafl
I don't think many use the phrase "granted by god", if any, but constitutions do recognize unalienable rights. Maybe you can research some of the ones on the list I linked.

I know Mexico, and probably all of Central and South American countries are Constitutional Republics.

Even China, Venezuela and Cuba make that list. Which is why I said someone might be interested in trimming that list if they have a higher standard than the people who put together that particular list.

In the end, the fact is that the US isn't the only country that is a constitutional republic.

Even Crowned republics fit the requirement of "where the Citizen is the Sovereign, as opposed to the State" and the monarch is purely symbolic.

originally posted by: daskakik
I don't think many use the phrase "granted by god", if any, but constitutions do recognize unalienable rights. Maybe you can research some of the ones on the list I linked

No thanks, you're making the claim, either provide evidence, or you don't have any.

I know Mexico, and probably all of Central and South American countries are Constitutional Republics.

The devil is in the details. What is in said Constitutions?

Again - show me just one that recognizes pre-existing, unalienable Rights - meaning, they are not 'granted' by the government, they pre-exist and are superior to the government - or you're just yammering.

Even China, Venezuela and Cuba make that list.

Ok, you're not serious, just yammering... carry on (without me)...

a reply to: tanstaafl
Rich coming from someone who posted:

This country is unique. Using any competent web search engine will help you answer the question as to why.

You are not serious in backing up your claim and want people to do their own research.

Pot meet kettle.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: tanstaafl
Rich coming from someone who posted:

This country is unique. Using any competent web search engine will help you answer the question as to why.

You are not serious in backing up your claim and want people to do their own research.

Pot meet kettle.

Rotflmao.

I've already backed up my claim.

It is unique because our Constitution recognizes unalienable Rights that are not granted by Government, but pre-date and supercede any government entity, and are not subject to alienation by said government, and the Citizen is Sovereign, not the government.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Rotflmao.

I've already backed up my claim.

It is unique because our Constitution recognizes unalienable Rights that are not granted by Government, but pre-date and supercede any government entity, and are not subject to alienation by said government, and the Citizen is Sovereign, not the government.

But you have not proven that it is the only one, you know "unique" in that sense.

To be honest I think the whole "God given rights" thing is just feel good rhetoric. In reality all constitutional republics that function as such are pretty much the same regardless of the wording of the founding document. As the mexican constitution reads:

In the United Mexican States, all individuals shall be entitled to the human rights granted by this Constitution and the international treaties signed by the Mexican State, as well as to the guarantees for the protection of these rights. Such human rights shall not be restricted or suspended, except for the cases and under the conditions established by this Constitution itself.

Pretty much the same, in practice, as the US where your life and liberty can be taken from you by the state, as long as it is done constitutionally.

ETA: This one is good. Article 5 of the Constitution of Venezuela:

Article 5
Sovereignty resides untransferable in the people, who exercise it directly in the manner provided for in this Constitution and in the law, and indirectly, by suffrage, through the organs exercising Public Power.
The organs of the State emanate from and are subject to the sovereignty of the people.

Doesn't that just sound great? Good thing that was included. Now the government of Venezuela can't abuse its power. /s

originally posted by: daskakik
But you have not proven that it is the only one, you know "unique" in that sense.

How, exactly, would you propose I do that?

Post the Constitution for every nation on earth, then point out how not a single one of them are even remotely similar to ours?

No thanks. All you have to do is pots one. Just one. You can't, so you deflect and obfuscate.

To be honest I think the whole "God given rights" thing is just feel good rhetoric.

Spoken from a standpoint of pure ignorance.

It very simply means that our Rights are not 'granted' to us by government, and not subject to be taken away. We are born with them.

In reality all constitutional republics that function as such are pretty much the same regardless of the wording of the founding document.

In reality, this is spoken from a standpoint of pure ignorance.

All of the ones you posted so far have all kinds of disclaimners and exceptions with regard to the 'rights' that are 'granted' by the Constitution, as they are all subject to expediencey of the state.

Try again.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: daskakik
But you have not proven that it is the only one, you know "unique" in that sense.

How, exactly, would you propose I do that?

Post the Constitution for every nation on earth, then point out how not a single one of them are even remotely similar to ours?

No thanks. All you have to do is pots one. Just one. You can't, so you deflect and obfuscate.

I linked a list of republics and 2 constitutions. You could at least find out for yourself, like you told a previous poster.

Spoken from a standpoint of pure ignorance.

It very simply means that our Rights are not 'granted' to us by government, and not subject to be taken away. We are born with them.

But they can be taken away as long as due process is followed.

Don't know why you can't see that. It pretty much proves that particular part of the preamble of the Constitution of the US isn't really binding, but it sure does sound pretty.

In reality, this is spoken from a standpoint of pure ignorance.

All of the ones you posted so far have all kinds of disclaimners and exceptions with regard to the 'rights' that are 'granted' by the Constitution, as they are all subject to expediencey of the state.

I only really posted one and pointed out how, in practice, it is no different than in the US, so what is it that makes the US so special?

The other shows an example of "the Citizen is Sovereign, not the government". They all say that because that is the definition of republic.

One more from Colombia:

The people of Colombia,
In the exercise of their sovereign power, represented by their delegates to the National Constituent Assembly, invoking the protection of God, and in order to strengthen the unity of the nation and ensure to its members life, peaceful
coexistence, work, justice, equality, understanding, freedom, and peace within a legal, democratic, and participatory framework that may guarantee a just political, economic, and social order and committed to promote the integration of the Latin American community, decree, authorize, and promulgate the following: