The Attack on Pearl Harbor Was One of the Best Things That Could Have Happened

originally posted by: TheBoomersRBusted
Many of our early aircraft carriers had wood decks. Not sure why.

All United States carriers from the Lexington Class (the second and third carriers built) onwards had armored decks covered with teak and/or STS over the machinery spaces. Not sure where you're getting your information from.

Sounds like a plausible argument. However, it does not justify the act of a US President allowing it to happen when he knew of the impending attack.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: ClovenSky

From the Article ...

Now, though, according to Robert Stinnett, author of Simon & Schuster’s Day Of Deceit, we have the proof. Stinnett’s book is dedicated to Congressman John Moss, the author of America’s Freedom of Information Act. According to Stinnett, the answers to the mysteries of Pearl Harbor can be found in the extraordinary number of documents he was able to attain through Freedom of Information Act requests. Cable after cable of decryptions, scores of military messages that America was intercepting, clearly showed that Japanese ships were preparing for war and heading straight for Hawaii. Stinnett, an author, journalist, and World War II veteran, spent sixteen years delving into the National Archives. He poured over more than 200,000 documents, and conducted dozens of interviews. This meticulous research led Stinnet to a firmly held conclusion: FDR knew.



Sometimes a " Terrible Truth " is Better Off Unsaid ,,,,,,

Cheers for that mate, Hoover knew and by the same token never passed it on, you just can't get by that. Who else 'knew' then I'm not so sure of.

But let's also remember, WW2 was not ultimately a, 'conventional' war either, then or now...except for one thing, the people who paid the highest price played no part in it in a scale without fathom.

Citation please ... or is it just more Salon. Com propaganda

a reply to: carsforkids

Bit of a long url here for a bing video's archive video, this is a Russian program with some Russian military speaking what they know about it and also with English subtitles, to get the url if ATS does not display it properly then use the quote function to enable you to copy and past the url into the address bar of your browser.
www.bing.com...
A short snippet that includes a section of the above video mixed with another one from a Spanish channel - mercifully short but still interesting from youtube.


Here is official footage, they had to give something to the public after all but while entertaining in it's own right it is no were near as interesting as the Russian video above and does not mention any of the conspiracy stuff just scientific surveys, footage of snow and a few nice shot's.


So if there is a conspiracy but the official channels deny there is whom do we trust, is there more to see that we are not being shown?.

a reply to: smurfy



I am Assuming that is no Malarkey there Boyo ? Geopolitics has been Around for a VERY Long Time , even the Early 20Th Century was Not Immune frrom it . Geez , English History Literally Spells it Out to Anyone who Cares to Listen ....)

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
I don't think a sneak attack that killed thousands is ever a good thing.

It showed a serious lack of honor by the Japanese, which is just a little ironic.

Yes , Speaking of Honor , Tojo Never Had Any so History Records in STONE .......

This thread title is pure click bait. Calling Pearl Harbor a thing, a thing that happens, and it being the best, means you could say anything like ATS is one of the best things that could have happened. So comparing war to just any old thing, well I can't agree with that.

a reply to: xpert11



" the IJN's famed carrier raid on Pearl Harbor "

Excuse me Sir , but was that an Obvious " Typo " ? ( Imperial Japanese Navy ) >? You were Really Referring to the Radical Decisions made by the Japanese High Command during the Late 1930's in Reference to the Invasion of Manchu and Southern China itself Without Emperor Hirohito's (裕仁 Foreknowledge Prior to that and the Planned Attack on Pearl Harbor Hawaii ?

originally posted by: Astronomer62
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The First and Second World Wars were full of astrology belief and days were chosen to give a focus to events, Even religious days were used as on 6th August 1945 when the Atom Bomb was dropped.
The feast day of the Transfiguration of Christ is 6th August, in simplicity, Jesus climbs up Mount Tabor with a few disciples, when suddenly he was transformed into a blinding white light, so the disciples had to turn away.
Soon after a large cloud appeared, and from the cloud was heard a voice "This is my son, who i love, listen to him".
It probably is the experience that the Japanese had, a bright light, a huge cloud, before their negative photograph was imprinted into the pavement.
I wonder what 33 degree mason and president Harry Truman had in his mind as his "Little Boy" bomb dropped to Earth?
I'm not keen on this type of symbolism, or playing God.
www.allaboutjesuschrist.org...

That is All Well and Good , but it is Merely an Afterthought to the Beginning of the Conflict between the Japanese Empire and the United States Of America commenced After the Attack on Pearl Harbor which is the Subject of this Thread .

originally posted by: game over man
This thread title is pure click bait. Calling Pearl Harbor a thing, a thing that happens, and it being the best, means you could say anything like ATS is one of the best things that could have happened. So comparing war to just any old thing, well I can't agree with that.

Deny Ignorance is Not just a Snappy Catch Phrase , it is Wisdom Personified ...

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

With the Masonic symbolism in DC, it’s not really that surprising. FDR himself was said to
Be 33rd degree.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

With the Masonic symbolism in DC, it’s not really that surprising. FDR himself was said to
Be 33rd degree.

Regardless of that , FDR was not Only a Ruthless Politician , but Also a Agenda Driven Man . Was he a just Pawn Used for the Power of his Office , or a Concerned Sincere Man who just Wanted to Help his Native Country ? That's for Us All to Decide Personally IMO ....

We bombed them from the greatest Naval presence on Earth to the biggest producer of Hello Kitty lunch-boxes.
Prove me wrong.
I see it as best we all just get along.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

The IJN conducted the attack on Pearl Harbor. Of course, this aspect of the topic does not exclude the other decision makers who committed Japan to war against the U.S. , the British Empire, and Dutch colonial possessions. I would love to further discuss the background to Pearl Harbor, but do you have any specific points or questions relating to this matter? I would do my best to address the points or questions, you may raise.

a reply to: xpert11


What do you know about Prescott Bush ? He was a Member of ....................

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: xpert11


What do you know about Prescott Bush ? He was a Member of ....................

My knowledge of the Bush family is modest and doesn't extend to Prescott Bush. Nor I have come across any historical evidence tying the Bush family to Pearl Harbor or the key decision makers on the Japanese and American sides.

ok - for the proponents of operation " high jump " conspiracies .

you [ or at least some of you ] claim :

the task force was sent to " fight antarctic nazis "

one obvious question - why have none of you noticed what is missing ?

hint - read the " ORBAT " charts for the task force again - and see if you spot it

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Well, well, well, let's sea Order of Battle for those whom do not know.

Let's see, a task force is it a battle or an investigation as it was claimed to be, why would a scientific mission take an air craft carrier, destroyers, fighter planes as well as of course the far more reasonable for a scientific expedition sea plane's and helicopters to Antarctica and let's not forget a submarine - oh not a civilian vessel a military submarine and thousands of crew according to some including many soldiers and marines (this was not to test out arctic capability's they had Alaska for that and Greenland).

Now YOU may not like the fact that it is a bit odd to some of us or the fact the US then lost a destroyer there - which admittedly could have been sea ice and the conspiracy could just be to sell air time for broadcasters that treat the conspiracy as entertainment.

And maybe you are correct or maybe you are just blowing blue smoke.

So there is no Order of Battle as this was more like a precautionary mission that were probably not expecting to meet any let alone stiff resistance, they may have expected a few rogue scientists and maybe a hardliner SS fanatic unit or a hold out from the German post war Werewolf plan so did not expect a battle at all, BUT maybe - just maybe they were caught with there pant's down and faced a genuine military threat if not a full nation sized threat a strong enough force to send them into retreat.

I don't know if there were any UFO's involved as was the claim or if it was more likely about a hardliner Nazi remnant whom may have still been pursuing there own atomic bomb research.

What I do know is that the German's had lain a claim to a vast portion of Antarctica and planned to colonize it despite it's icy state, they even named it new Schwabenland and flew planes around it dropping swastika flagged pendant's forming a border line around what they had claimed, there first mission's there were in the 30's and they had grand plan's for the icy domain.

Given there use of slave labour working people to death, the millions they butchered like animals at an abattoir in concentration camp's and there many depravity's including there paranormal beliefs that they may have if they deemed it suitable to there crack pot view of reality had a base built there if necessary by using slave workers to do the work for them.

I also believe that they would have seen the potential of the location for submarine warfare.

According to the report's though how reliable I am not fully versed the Nazi's had taken the requisite equipment necessary to construct a base there as early as 1939, the whole emphasis of submarine naval strategy as you know is stealth, strike and retreat, a southerly submarine base would have enabled them to harass British shipping in the southern ocean's hampering supply's that may have tried to avoid the NAZI planned control of the Mediterranean which of course the Nazi's had at first thought they would obtain - BUT of course Franco would not let them pass through to attack and seize the rock of Gibralter from the British so putting a very large stick in the spoke of Hitlers bicycle wheel.

So you see it's makes perfectly sound military strategic planning for a state that was planning to go to war against Britain or thought that such a war may be inevitable (though Hitler really wanted Britain on his side believe it or not) to be able to prevent supplies from reaching the British shores by any mean's necessary, once control of the Mediterranean (if there plan's had worked out) was ceded to the German's and Italian's (and Spanish had Franco sided with Hitler) then the only remaining hindrance with the US at that time being neutral would have been both a mid Atlantic blockade to take out British shipping AND a southern ocean blockade operating at first from a hidden well equipped Antarctic submarine base which would of course have housed a considerable fleet of submarines for the job and later once they had control of a suitable region or had taken over south Africa then to have moved to the port's they would then have seized there to operate out of.

i.e. it was sound military planning if a bit insane due to the technical difficulty's they would have faced for the third Reich to have established an operational submarine base in Antarctica, one which as far as we know from known history was not surrendered to the allies or known about since as the NAZI's did not gain control of the med AND the US did not stay neutral they never had call to use it in such a pincer movement.

So do I believe they had a base there, Yes I most certainly do and so should you and I also whole heartedly believe Doenitz was not talking about the submarine pen's in France no matter how well constructed they were when he mentioned his impregnable fortress at the far end of the world.

a reply to: Bluntone22

apparently the whole nukes on japan was a big con on the american people according to this man

Daniel Ellsberg

Interview with legendary whistle blower Daniel Ellsberg

a reply to: LABTECH767

sigh

1 - name the alledged " lost destroyer " + hull number

2 - cite a primary source for the alledged doeinitz " quote "

3 - what " fighter planes " - do you realise that the entire taskforce had just 33 aircraft - and of those - a minimum of 9 and a max 14 were seaplanes , amphibians and helicopters - all unarmed

thats a max 22 " other aircraft " - on USS philipines sea . a vessel that COULD embark 90 warplains

further - the personel roster - 4700 personel - that SOUNDS a lot - but 166 of those were navel engineers [ to build // maintain // run the " LA IV " land base

now - guess that the combat crew of the entire task force - SHOULD have been - 8705

and we still have no infantry or marines

still think it was down there to fight " antarctic nazis " ???

the taskforce was simply not capable of a warfighting mission - even allowing for the reduced airwing of philipines sea the crew just does not exist to both run the ships and fight

thats where the crew of waships goes into bloated overdrive - fighting

the bigest current merchant vessels [ 100 000 t ] - vastly outsize any warship - but only need 30 ~ 40 crew . the largest - current US carriers - have crews > 4500 -

its simple - the TF was not there to fight