Ban "Assault rifles!" Liberal Politicians Fear Violent Uprising by Americans.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: ScepticScot

You know this how?

The vast majority of defensive uses of firearms never require a shot to be fired. The prospective bad guy sees the gun, and decides to, wisely, test other pastures. Most are, probably, not even reported as nothing happened.

I've drawn a weapon twice in preparation to defend myself, thankfully, in neither instance did I have to shoot. I didn't report either one of 'em. What's to report? Nothing happened. I went about my day to day affairs.

There is no way of knowing a statistic that doesn't even exist. 300,000 does sound high, but there's really no way of knowing.

Because the current number of homicides in the is about 20k a year. If the 300k figure was true then it mean that, in absence of firearm, the US homicide rate would 15x higher than it all ready is.

The US already has the highest homicide rates per capita of comparably developed countries. About 3 times that of the UK for example.

The figure just isn't plausible.

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: ScepticScot



No there are not 300,000 lives saved by defensive gun usage a year. That figure is obviously absurd.

I've never bought that claim. I think they really mean there are 300,000 incidents diffused, but no way to claim whether a life was saved or not.

Exactly. In many of the cases it's also impossible to determine to what extent the presence of a gun was the relevant factor.

That's not to say there aren't situations where presence of a gun doesn't defuse a violent situation or save lives, but the 300k figure is wildly implausible.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: Edumakated


Vast majority of gun deaths in the US (excluding suicides) are gang / street thugs. Almost entirely concentrated in poor, urban black community (and lesser degree hispanic).

Thanks man, so its poor black people and some hispanics that are responsible for almost all the murder, i never was good with statistics, but they are still Americans arent they? or does colour of skin make them a different nationality?

They are Americans. However, the point is that it is a small subset of our population that most other countries don't have that are responsible for most of the gun violence.

As I pointed out, many of these populations live in urban areas with very strict gun laws yet there is still a lot of gun violence. On the other hand, we have many areas in the US with very liberal gun laws and plenty of gun owners, yet there is little to no gun violence. The difference is the demographics of the populations.

You cannot logically and truthfully discuss gun crime in the US without discussing demographics. Doing so is disingenuous.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: chr0naut

The people in the US killed by guns needed to be killed in many or even most cases, or decided to die via a gun as their chosen form of euthanasia by suicide.

I am not shamed by the number of US gun deaths, as a result, unless you take out police shootings, suicides, and self defense, which added up are the majority of US gun deaths anyway.

The rest of the world needs to free themselves, and catch up to US statistics, IMHO. If they had something like our 2nd amendment, they might even have a fair 'shooting' chance hah ....

OK, you lead the way. You do what you say is necessary and enact your 'right' to die 'free'?

(Not really, yours is a very unreasonable argument. Don't shoot yourself, or others, for any reason.)

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ChefFox

A quick look at the statistics of deaths by firearm can pretty much debunk everything you wrote.

America is the gun death capital of the world.

By no measure is that an accurate statement. Virtually every South American nation has higher per capita firearm death rates as the USA and if you remove suicides from the equation the USA drops even further down the list. We are 4-times the next closest nation in terms of gun ownership per capita... so if you were to take our numbers in terms death versus firearms owned, then the USA actually drops precipitously further down the list.

Finland, for example, has a death by firearm rate of 3.25 per 100,000 and a firearm ownership rate of 27.5 per 100,000 Fins. The US has a death rate of 12.21 per 100,000 and an ownership rate of 120.5 per 100,000. In other words, a firearm in Finland is 10% more likely to be used to kill a human being as a firearm in the USA is. Statistically speaking, firearms in the USA are among the least likely in the world to be used to kill a human being.
en.wikipedia.org...

You're spreading emotionally driven propaganda devoid of facts and not backed up by even the simplest of statistical math.

More Americans per year die by the gun than do so in Finland every year.

Perhaps each individual Finnish owned gun is, on average, more dangerous, but they have so much fewer guns per capita and that shows up in the gun death total numbers. In statistics, with a small sample size, it doesn't take many rogue elements to skew the figures but total numbers are absolute.

a reply to: chr0naut

China is the socialist murder capitol of the world 50 million plus unarmed Chinese slaughtered like sheep to rewrite there own history and now it's on the edge of destruction, just like the EU.

There are capitol cities in other countries where canabalism is practiced - if you don't like America, leave - that will open up 1 more spot for people that live in all of those better places to come here instead, where it's actually better.

originally posted by: circuitsports
a reply to: chr0naut

China is the socialist murder capitol of the world 50 million plus unarmed Chinese slaughtered like sheep to rewrite there own history and now it's on the edge of destruction, just like the EU.

Well that right there is about as accurate as Hillary is getting locked up and trumps being impeached any day now, oh and my personal favorite nibiru will show up any day now.

IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

Crime is down the more we become armed. Statistics show this beyond a doubt.

FEAR - Totalitarianism is what the goal is, history repeats itself if we let it.

They can not control what THEY fear....

originally posted by: circuitsports
a reply to: chr0naut

China is the socialist murder capitol of the world 50 million plus unarmed Chinese slaughtered like sheep to rewrite there own history and now it's on the edge of destruction, just like the EU.

There are capitol cities in other countries where canabalism is practiced - if you don't like America, leave - that will open up 1 more spot for people that live in all of those better places to come here instead, where it's actually better.

I can't lave the US. I'm not there in the first place.

originally posted by: edsinger
IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN!

Crime is down the more we become armed. Statistics show this beyond a doubt.

FEAR - Totalitarianism is what the goal is, history repeats itself if we let it.

They can not control what THEY fear....

Fear yeah right, people are so comfortable, drugged up and entertained the ruling class have little to fear, more like they are laughing themselves silly about just how stupid and apathetic the majority of people are.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Nah, you can see the FEAR. It is real.


She was not supposed to lose you know.

a reply to: edsinger

Care to show examples of this fear you see everywhere ?

If you're going to use talking heads in media as an example let me preemptively counter that with it's a business who's bottom line steers the ship.

I just have to reply to the title of the thread: "Ban "Assault rifles!" Liberal Politicians Fear Violent Uprising by Americans."

Americans already have more guns than any populace in the world and they complain about government overreach a whole lot. What's the hold up?

If this millionth thread about "they are coming for our guns" doesn't get people moving then what do politicians, on any part of the political spectrum, have to fear?

It makes for good gun sales, ask Obama best salesman ever.

I have noticed states are getting better gun laws for the populace...

Signs of the fear you ask?

What did Bloomclump just say? What did O'Rourke say?

Its in my daily conversations with folks that I see the effect of the media. Mass shootings are over publicized and yet the amount of gun deaths are dropping. Look at the Naval Base in Fla yesterday.

We are armed, and my point is that will not change for years if not decades if we last that long.

AR15's are not assault guns yet some in the government claim they are. Ignorance is no excuse but that is not the agenda. We can own automatic weapons if we apply for a measly $200 stamp, yet the cost of the weapon is what is prohibitive because of the 80's laws.

Most folks know the truth, not the Starbucks crowd.

What is funny I would think is to see some of the folks that were on ATS 15 years ago, those 'its cool to be liberal' types, feel now that they actually are paying taxes and trying to raise a family.

Folks for the most part get more conservative as they age, and start thinking for themselves.

a reply to: chr0naut

Reading your response i truly believe based on what you said that you know nothing about guns. First off modern firearms do not have a safety (the trigger is the safety) secondly if you carry a gun and dont a;ways have one in the chamber you may as well be carrying a brick. I am from NYC where gun deaths caused by illegal guns are ridiculous. People do not have have the right to defend themselves there> Maybe the elites like Boogaloo Bloomberg who has a complement of armed men but doesnt think that the serfs should have the means for self defense. I am active duty military with three combat tours currently living in NC. I have many guns (actually i lost them all in a boating accident recently) If i chose to I could go to the gun store right now and buy whatever the # i want then go down to the range and shoot all the ammo that i can afford. I keep a gun (until my boating accident that is) with no safety and one in the chamber. So does my wife (I mean did until the boating accident) becasue no one can guarantee my safety except myself. American police have no duty to protect me The supreme court said so. Police respond after the fact. I will not burden the system and its resources waiting for help of any kind. That, in a nutshell, is the typical law-abiding gun owner in this country. I don't run around waving it or acting stupid. It is a tool like all the other tools I have. That is my God-given right. As far as rising up against Tyranny and the whole argument of You cant take on a government that has tanks and bombs etc. Well, that is bull# as well. It has been proven that a motivated enemy will use whatever means at their disposal to fight against anything you throw at them. It happened in Vietnam and it is happening now. I fought against men with rusty Ak 47s and sandals. They gave us a go with their limited resources and knowledge. Do you know how many combat veterans are currently in America that are well trained well-armed and motivated? do you know how many hunters with years worth of supplies and resources there are here? Just because gun control has worked in other countries ( My opinion is you are a bunch of pussies and not free men at all) it will not work here. Those of us that have recently lost our weapons in boating accidents will not allow it. In closing, if you arent from America you will never understand the American mindset about guns and gun ownership, liberty the constitution or apple mother#ing pie. We are different. Mind your buisness!

a reply to: chr0naut

Reading your response i truly believe based on what you said that you know nothing about guns. First off modern firearms do not have a safety (the trigger is the safety) secondly if you carry a gun and dont a;ways have one in the chamber you may as well be carrying a brick. I am from NYC where gun deaths caused by illegal guns are ridiculous. People do not have have the right to defend themselves there> Maybe the elites like Boogaloo Bloomberg who has a complement of armed men but doesnt think that the serfs should have the means for self defense. I am active duty military with three combat tours currently living in NC. I have many guns (actually i lost them all in a boating accident recently) If i chose to I could go to the gun store right now and buy whatever the # i want then go down to the range and shoot all the ammo that i can afford. I keep a gun (until my boating accident that is) with no safety and one in the chamber. So does my wife (I mean did until the boating accident) becasue no one can guarantee my safety except myself. American police have no duty to protect me The supreme court said so. Police respond after the fact. I will not burden the system and its resources waiting for help of any kind. That, in a nutshell, is the typical law-abiding gun owner in this country. I don't run around waving it or acting stupid. It is a tool like all the other tools I have. That is my God-given right. As far as rising up against Tyranny and the whole argument of You cant take on a government that has tanks and bombs etc. Well, that is bull# as well. It has been proven that a motivated enemy will use whatever means at their disposal to fight against anything you throw at them. It happened in Vietnam and it is happening now. I fought against men with rusty Ak 47s and sandals. They gave us a go with their limited resources and knowledge. Do you know how many combat veterans are currently in America that are well trained well-armed and motivated? do you know how many hunters with years worth of supplies and resources there are here? Just because gun control has worked in other countries ( My opinion is you are a bunch of pussies and not free men at all) it will not work here. Those of us that have recently lost our weapons in boating accidents will not allow it. In closing, if you arent from America you will never understand the American mindset about guns and gun ownership, liberty the constitution or apple mother#ing pie. We are different. Mind your buisness!

originally posted by: semperkill
I am from NYC where gun deaths caused by illegal guns are ridiculous.

Gun deaths in New York are the third lowest in the United States. If they were high in New York City it would severely impact those numbers.

Why are they so afraid of a violent uprising?

It's not like they're child raping/torturing/trafficking/murdering psychopathic cultists hell bent on the defilement and destruction of mankind, are they?

a reply to: semperkill

Kudos sir! Couldn't have said it better myself. I wonder if you had the same boat I did, damn thing has sank twice now..

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: ChefFox

A quick look at the statistics of deaths by firearm can pretty much debunk everything you wrote.

America is the gun death capital of the world.

hmmm i wonder where most of those death by guns take place.