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Originally posted by Annunaki
[Your logic is flawed by lack of reasoning.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
I believe that when the alien presence is acknowledged world-wide, there will be many that will fall to their knees in worship.
Scenario: A large UFO lands on the White House lawn. The aliens announce, through CNN, FOX, BBC, world-wide media, that they have come back to check up on their creation (us). They give us cures to the current problems in the world (unlimited energy, medicine, and peace). They simply state that they seeded us on Earth 50,000 years ago, and now they have returned to see how we are doing, and give us a hand to help us over our current hurdle.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Wow, OpenSecret2012, nice and long post. I’m a slow typist, but I’ll try to address your comments.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
But, in this thread, I was specifically trying to discuss the aliens as described in most of the alien encounter reports: the modern ET, if you will.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Yes, I agree, but in my opinion, the aliens as described in modern reports are very different than I AM or His angels of the Bible. Let us continue with the new distinction that I am speaking of the alien phenomenon as reported in the last 65 years.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
More like they use us for slaves as the Bible states man was created for - to till the earth.
Yes, Adam was placed in the garden to take care of it, not necessary as a slave. The Garden also provided all of the food and water that man needed. God did the planting and providing. Man was also created to increase in number and fill the earth, and be Earth’s master, to rule the animals. I believe that God also wanted a companion, and created it in man.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
In additon it's possible man might be used as food for certain other "gods".
Certainly a possibility for us to be used as food for aliens, but are you suggesting the God created man as food?
Originally posted by NoPhobos
"let us kick Adam out of Eden, or else he'll take from the tree of life and live forever!". So we would've had no need for medicine, cures, whatever.
One theory on the tree of life is that it is understanding of our DNA, giving us the ability to manipulate our length of life, health, or whatever.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
No religion fails. All religions believe that an extra-terrestial created man. If the extra-terrestial comes back to Earth for a visit, it's in line with the Bible, and all other religions.
So, by your description, any ET claiming to be God (our creator) would be correct, and therefore not be against any religion we have?
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Hypothetically, I can’t see millions of Muslims, Jewish, or Christians saying that any ET claiming to be our creator would be “in line” with their scriptures. Maybe some of the new age religions would accept this, and they would be readily received into the new world religion.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
As I said, many religions would fail. But let me specify why I believe so. If their scriptures were thought to be incorrect by a large percentage of the followers, religions that base their beliefs on those scriptures would have a hard time figuring out which parts were right and which parts were wrong. Many would throw the baby out with the bath water over an issue like this.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
And, no; all religions do not believe that there is a creator, much less one like the I AM, described in the Bible.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Are “open secrets” kinda like “known unknowns”, “truthful lies” or half-way pregnant?
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Man has been asking these questions a whole lot longer than recent times. If we weren’t, there wouldn’t be science, philosophy, or theologians.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Easily explained by the fact that Jesus was with God at that time, but I’m not arguing that fact that God is an ET, just that the one’s we have now are not God as written about in the Bible.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Are they mentioned in the Bible because they existed in reality, or that they existed only in the minds of their followers who worshiped them?
I say the latter, just as wealth and self are worshiped today.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
2. Are we the only sientient life?
No. There's the Nephilim. The Son of Dawn…[snip] And who knows how many other beings or aliens, are out there in other star systems, galaxies, universes, dimensions, densities.
You have no proof that any of those things exist today; no one does. ET could be that proof for those without faith.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Agreed, but there is a coming religion that will be touted as the “real and true” religion. When the time comes, you will follow it, or you will die.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Only Yahweh has been around since the beginning of time.
I agree, but if you re-read my scenario, the ETs are lying by claiming to be THE creator. Later, because of several questions, I added that they could say that the creator is dead or moved on and left them in charge.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
And WHY do everyone think that when other aliens land on Earth, they will automatically act good?
Everyone doesn’t. This is a scenario. A possible outcome. Your personal truths are not the only possibility. This thread is an example of another. Get it?
Originally posted by NoPhobos
enemies of God (angels who tried to seize power.)
Hmmm... enemies of which god? There's many? What's the NAME of this god they are enemies of? The Nephilim? Raphiem? Marduk? Or... Yahweh?
Notice the capital G in God?
I am your shield, I am the LORD, I am God Almighty,
or simply
I Am Who I Am
Originally posted by NoPhobos
The difference in the context of what I wrote is, that to believe them is to believe the lie that they are our creator and we should worship them.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
If you deny Christ and God and worship some other god, I guess you could be hopeful and wish for a pardon.
The Bible says you won’t get it, though.
So, no offence intended but, I think I’ll stick by what it says, instead of what you say.
Interesting ideas non the less.
Originally posted by OpenSecret2012
I can type maybe 30 WPA. How many WPA can you type?
Reports state that they do, but I’ve never seen an ET in person.
The "modern" ET uses space ships?
In the Bible Yahweh used a spaceship. Right or wrong?
In the Bible a physical object came down from the sky/space, piloted by someone, a passenger jumped in (Elijah), then it took off into the sky/space. Right or wrong?
Sooo... you ONLY want to talk about if humans will worship aliens who've been known about by humans for the past 65 years?
Adam never had a choice
The thing is we have no way of knowing which aliens are Yahweh, and which are simply other aliens. Unless Yahweh also comes in his spaceship, and there's a space battle between Yahweh and the other aliens.
ALL religions that center around a creator, center around an alien being.
An ET landing, would not make any religion that centers around belief in a creator, fail. Since all religions that center around the belief in a creator, believe their creator is an ET. (Christianity, Muslilm, Judism, whatever.)
I agree. Not all religions are centered around belief in a creator. Those religions would fail if an ET landed. Because those religions would have no way to explain where the ET's come from.
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Man has been asking these questions a whole lot longer than recent times. If we weren’t, there wouldn’t be science, philosophy, or theologians.
No. Ancient man, humans, Earthers, were in direct contact with other beings, aliens, the gods, and Yahweh.
Modern man, and humans, and Earthers, currently do not have as much direct contact with other beings. So they ask these questions, claiming they don't know the answers - while all along the records of ancient man is still around and has the questions answered.
Post where it says the "US" is talking about Yahweh, and Jesus?
- Let US kick Adam and Eve out of Eden. (Why would Yahweh need HELP doing this?)
- Let US stop Nimrod from building his tower. (Why would Yahweh need HELP doing this?)
They (gods) existed in reality. The Nephilim. [snip] The Bible has the entire biography of the Son of Dawn. He ruled the earth millions of years before Adam and Eve were made, back when he was a good guy. Later on he became known as Satan. He was a god. (Not the head god though. He tried to become the head god.) It takes a god to battle a god. To even attempt to overthrow a god.
You have no proof that any of those things exist today; no one does.
How were the Baalbek stones perfectly carved, cut, transported, lifted, and fitted? [snip]
Why are there many, many, fossilized footprints, and tools, left by the Nephilim all over our planet?
Originally posted by NoPhobos
Agreed, but there is a coming religion that will be touted as the “real and true” religion. When the time comes, you will follow it, or you will die.
Again, no one knows for sure who will live or die. Only Yahweh himself knows.
I just love it when a priest says "your going to go to helllll!" or when at a funeral "he/she's now in heaven looking down on us.".
I'd rather err on the side that feels all ETs are unfriendly and be ready. Than err on the side that feels ETs are friendly and not be ready.
Capital "G" means nothing.
Why the reluctance to use the name of the main god the Bible is about?
Their names are Jesus Christ, and Yahweh. My point is you have to name which gods you are talking about. So everyone knows if its Marduk, Baal, or Jesus and his father, Yahweh.
Remember the criminal who died on the stake next to Jesus?
Originally posted by Annunaki
Yet another flaw in your arguement. NoPhobos, you keep referencing to your bible. As was stated earlier, this is merely a book.
Originally posted by AnnunakiAs such has been stated, there is no more apparent need to discuss this thread further. All else stated herein will be just oppinions, and therefore, irrelevant.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
NoPhobos do you see God in human form when you picture him? Nobody knows what God looks like, so God could be an Alien and it wouldn't make a difference in the Bible
"God can take any form He wishes"
Originally posted by NoPhobos
He did create us in His Image, so I would suspect He would appear in human form. God the Son was human, so when Jesus returns, I would think he would take that form.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
NoPhobos do you see God in human form when you picture him? Nobody knows what God looks like
sorry nophobos can i take this one on for you........in the bible it clearly states that god said "and let us make man in our own image" and many will argue that the bible has been touched by many hands and changed many a time over the past few millenia but to those that do think this dont you wonder that the bible like a novel flows in an almost harmonius tone and i have never known it to contradict itself despite the fact the it has over 60 writers(if i'm not mistake)