Will we worship Aliens as “gods”?

Originally posted by Justanotherperson

Originally posted by NoPhobos
I see where you are coming from. Here are some other things to identify him:

The AC will be empowered by Satan.

His views (personality) will be opposite or opposed to Christ’s.

He will be killed by a blow to the head, and will rise from the dead in front of the whole world.

He will be (and demand to be) worshiped.

He will stand in the temple and call himself God.

But his fundamental message (or actions) will not be like Jesus’

He comes and rules before Christ comes back. Christ will come to destroy him (them).

After the Battle of Armageddon, the Antichrist, False Prophet, Satan, and all of the demons will be dispatched in various ways.

So one way to look at it, Jesus Christ will come back after the great battle of Armageddon. Anyone claiming to be God before that, is not. See my signature line..

So much for the drama. Kind of a bummer to give away the plot line. Knowing this beforehand, the eventual victory of Christ, why bother fighting? I mean it is written by the hands of god and it will come to pass, so why bother fighting when you know the out come?

maybe that's why the AC has not come back yet, or may never come back. Satan wised up and said "f*** it...I'm not gonna be made out to look like a loser"

[edit on 11-3-2005 by mpeake]

Originally posted by Serum39
IF the aliens come to earth and profess we are their creation, and provide all the answers etc... how would they answer the question... "ok, aliens, who created you?" "what/who is the singularity, the point of origin" This is the one "saving grace" of religion. Their way out of believing aliens are gods.

They could say that they evolved many hundred of thousands of years ago in another galaxy. Or, they could say that they were created by a being or race that has since died out or moved on.

Kinda like, “There WAS a God, but he/she/it/they are gone now and left us in charge.”

I see Serum39's point about Aliens needing there creator too but I could say the same thing about God. I dont believe or understand how God, being a Deity, can have just always been.

Even atheist scientists struggle with the concept of “the beginning.” Since we, as human bodies, have a beginning and an end, we try to explain the universe in the same terms.

Where did matter come from? Where does energy come from? How does time figure into matter and energy?

We are finite beings attempting to use our understanding of how things work in this realm to describe a concept that is outside of time.

One idea is that time was “created” so that matter could exist. Without time, matter becomes energy….who knows for sure?

Wrapping our finite minds around the concept of an infinite being is difficult at best, but one way to look at it is: God created matter and time so that we could exist. Call it a “big bang” or creation or whatever. The universe is a realm created where time, matter, and energy can all exist together.

Outside of this realm, where time does not exist (therefore it has no beginning), is God.

I dont think time was ever created, or I don't understand how. If time was created, then there was a period(time) before time existed. What was this period called? I think as long as there was anything to be affected by time, time existed. Maybe its that since I'm human, I can't comprehend this conecpt or maybe I'm right.

Billy, look into the Sumerians, the Mayans and Egyptians. We are already worshipping aliens as gods. The Old testament is a reworking of the Sumerian tablets after all.

Look at time this way:

Test statement: There is no beginning of time. It has always existed.

Therefore: If you imagine traveling back in time, you can never get to the beginning of time, because it goes on forever (approaching infinity).

Conclusion (going from past to present): If you can never get to the beginning, because it goes on forever in that direction: reverse it…

you can never get to the present time, because there is no starting point (beginning).

i.e., If there is no beginning, there can be no present, because time goes on to infinity in the direction of the past, and the present is an infinity away from that.

Since we perceive a present time, there must have been a beginning. Scientist call one theory the “big bang.” There are many others. Most religions call it creation.

uggggg.... I know its all opinion, but so are facts... so here goes..

It was NOT a serpent who gave eve the fruit .. and it wasn't "Satan"

It was an eagle..... and it was Jesus... although he did it for HIS OWN PERSONAL reasons so thats why he was considered "Evil" because he did it for himself.

But yes... it was Jesus..

That was before Jesus was born, and where did you hear that?

it is said that the chairiats in olden day wich many people worshied were said to be alien space craft that couldnt been idetified.also if we do probably evolution will take place and humans will change.

Originally posted by NoPhobos
This post was inspired by another thread on the alien board, but I didn’t want to hijack it into something the author didn’t intend. The other thread was about the 10 commandments and worshiping other “gods.”

Yeah, it was an intresting thread. IMHO nothing special, since angels are aliens, demons, Yahweh, Jesus, and all of them are all aliens.

I believe that when the alien presence is acknowledged world-wide, there will be many that will fall to their knees in worship.

It already has been. People just don't want to admit it. Anyone who worships Yahweh (the god in the Bible) worships an alien. Anyone who believes in angels, believes in aliens.

Scenario: A large UFO lands on the White House lawn. The aliens announce, through CNN, FOX, BBC, world-wide media, that they have come back to check up on their creation (us).

So far so good......

They give us cures to the current problems in the world (unlimited energy, medicine, and peace). They simply state that they seeded us on Earth 50,000 years ago, and now they have returned to see how we are doing, and give us a hand to help us over our current hurdle.

Nope. More like they use us for slaves as the Bible states man was created for - to till the earth. Since this was planned before man was created, then man had no say in it. Which makes man a slave. Created to be a slave.
In additon it's possible man might be used as food for certain other "gods".

People begin to see them as our “creator.”

It shouldn't be a question of "are they our creator". It's a question of "WHY the heck didn't Adam also eat from the SECOND tree WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE?!?!?!?"
Adam is the biggest idot in human history! LOL!
The Bible even says the gods were afraid Adam would eat from the second tree and live forever. "let us kick Adam out of Eden, or else he'll take from the tree of life and live forever!".
So we would've had no need for medicine, cures, whatever.

Much scientific theory is adapted to fit the new information.

Modern science fails

Many religions fall.

No religion fails. All religions believe that an extra-terrestial created man. If the extra-terrestial comes back to Earth for a visit, it's in line with the Bible, and all other religions.

A new religion forms that has all of the answers, and yes, people worship the beings as “gods.” After all, they have all of the answers to the questions that we have so desperately asked for 4000 years. “Where did we come from?” “Are we the only sentient life?” “Why are there so many religions?” “Are any of them correct?”

I'll answer all those questions right now LOL! And they have not been asked for 4,000 or more years. Only in recent times. The answers have always been "open secrets"!

1. Where did we come from?
Extra-terrestials created us. The Bible says so "Let US create man in OUR image". Records from other civilizations say the same thing - Egypt, Babylon, Sumar.

2. Are we the only sientient life?
No. There's the Nephilim. The Son of Dawn (he ruled the Earth millions of years before Adam and Eve were created.). The angels. The cherubim (they're not angels. They're winged monsters, that Yahweh rides on. Rumor has it the Sphynx is a cherubim.)
And who knows how many other beings or aliens, are out there in other star systems, galaxies, universes, dimensions, densities.

3. Why are there so many religions?
Because of arguements, selfishness, and downright evil. Biggest example:
- When Jesus came on the scene, he and his followers were considered and called a new sect of Judism by the Romans.
- After Jesus dies, the Romans called Jesus and his followers "Christians". They try to stomp out this new following because it puts someone else before Cesar.
- Roman Emperor Constitine comes on the scene. He says "We've been killing these Christians for years. But they won't die off. I have an idea. I'm going to now say I am a Christian. Since I'm the ruler, everyone's now Christian. Then we'll take it over from the inside! Muhahahaaaa!!!".
Constitine then sets up the modern church as we know it - bishops, cardinals, pope, the idea of Satan having red skin, horns, pointy tail, and a pitchfork, adapting a pagan sun worshiping day and re-naming it Christmas, on and on.

Later on a group said they didn't like the rules of the Catholic church. They protested. They got called the protesters, or protestant.

Later on groups split with groups. As each group was selfish for their own rules. The Calvinists, Puritans, Mormans, and many more.

4. Which religion is true? None! Your not suppose to have a middle man between you and Yahweh. Your suppose to make the effort to read and study the Bible yourself! Stop relying on the priests, rabbi, clergy, minister, on and on!

They give us peace for the first time in our short history. They state that they have been around since the beginning of time, they put us here, and they will be our new providers and protectors.

There will be MANY who believe.

Only Yahweh has been around since the beginning of time. After him the Son of Dawn is next oldest. Humans have had periods of peace many times!
And WHY do everyone think that when other aliens land on Earth, they will automatically act good?

The only problem is: none of it is true; they are the lying enemies of God (angels who tried to seize power.)

Hmmm... enemies of which god? There's many? What's the NAME of this god they are enemies of? The Nephilim? Raphiem? Marduk? Or... Yahweh?

All who worship them (read believe them) will have angered the one true God. We will have done exactly what He warns us against doing so many times.

Believing in other gods, is not the same as worshipping. People who believe in the Bible, also believe in the demons (simply good angels gone bad.) Doesn't mean they worship demons. They believe in Satan, that he exists. Doesn't mean they worship Satan. They believe in angels. Doesn't mean they worship angels.

And it is the one crime that He will not pardon.

Only Yahweh himself knows for sure who he'll pardon and who he won't pardon. No one else knows or can say.

If you believe that it is possible that there is a “Creator,” then is it such a big step to believe that he may have given us a “Plan” to go (grow) by?

Is it so hard to fathom that that old book of scrolls and myth could actually be written (inspired) by our Creator and it is our blueprint for existence on this puny planet?

It's kinda obvious that if we were created by another being, there's a reason we were created. According to the Bible, man was made to be slaves. "There was no man to till the field" it says before man was created. Since man had no say in it... man was made to be a slave.

Alternatively, if you do not believe in a Creator, then will you believe the aliens when they state that they put us here? Will all of the scientific evidence finally click in your head, leaving you with only one conclusion: this must be true?

The creator IS an alien. An alien is a sentient being NOT born on Earth. God or Yahweh wasn't born on earth. He's an extra-terrestial. He even has a convertable spaceship. The Bible talks about it when he cruised down t6o earth and Elijah hopped in for a spin around the galaxy.

Wow, OpenSecret2012, nice and long post. I’m a slow typist, but I’ll try to address your comments.

Originally posted by OpenSecret2012
Since angels are aliens, demons, Yahweh, Jesus, and all of them are all aliens.

Yes, I agree. They are not of this Earth, so by definition, they are aliens.

But, in this thread, I was specifically trying to discuss the aliens as described in most of the alien encounter reports: the modern ET, if you will.

Anyone who worships Yahweh (the god in the Bible) worships an alien. Anyone who believes in angels, believes in aliens.

Yes, I agree, but in my opinion, the aliens as described in modern reports are very different than I AM or His angels of the Bible. Let us continue with the new distinction that I am speaking of the alien phenomenon as reported in the last 65 years.

More like they use us for slaves as the Bible states man was created for - to till the earth.

Yes, Adam was placed in the garden to take care of it, not necessary as a slave. The Garden also provided all of the food and water that man needed. God did the planting and providing. Man was also created to increase in number and fill the earth, and be Earth’s master, to rule the animals. I believe that God also wanted a companion, and created it in man.

In additon it's possible man might be used as food for certain other "gods".

Certainly a possibility for us to be used as food for aliens, but are you suggesting the God created man as food?

"let us kick Adam out of Eden, or else he'll take from the tree of life and live forever!". So we would've had no need for medicine, cures, whatever.

One theory on the tree of life is that it is understanding of our DNA, giving us the ability to manipulate our length of life, health, or whatever.

No religion fails. All religions believe that an extra-terrestial created man. If the extra-terrestial comes back to Earth for a visit, it's in line with the Bible, and all other religions.

So, by your description, any ET claiming to be God (our creator) would be correct, and therefore not be against any religion we have?

Hypothetically, I can’t see millions of Muslims, Jewish, or Christians saying that any ET claiming to be our creator would be “in line” with their scriptures. Maybe some of the new age religions would accept this, and they would be readily received into the new world religion.

As I said, many religions would fail. But let me specify why I believe so. If their scriptures were thought to be incorrect by a large percentage of the followers, religions that base their beliefs on those scriptures would have a hard time figuring out which parts were right and which parts were wrong. Many would throw the baby out with the bath water over an issue like this.

And, no; all religions do not believe that there is a creator, much less one like the I AM, described in the Bible.

And (these questions) have not been asked for 4,000 or more years. Only in recent times. The answers have always been "open secrets"!

Are “open secrets” kinda like “known unknowns”, “truthful lies” or half-way pregnant?

Man has been asking these questions a whole lot longer than recent times. If we weren’t, there wouldn’t be science, philosophy, or theologians.

1. Where did we come from?
Extra-terrestials created us. The Bible says so "Let US create man in OUR image".

Easily explained by the fact that Jesus was with God at that time, but I’m not arguing that fact that God is an ET, just that the one’s we have now are not God as written about in the Bible.

Records from other civilizations say the same thing - Egypt, Babylon, Sumar.

I agree that other cultures and religions believed in multiple “gods.” Even the Bible gives them some authority by commanding us not to worship them.

Are they mentioned in the Bible because they existed in reality, or that they existed only in the minds of their followers who worshiped them?

I say the latter, just as wealth and self are worshiped today.

2. Are we the only sientient life?
No. There's the Nephilim. The Son of Dawn…[snip] And who knows how many other beings or aliens, are out there in other star systems, galaxies, universes, dimensions, densities.

You have no proof that any of those things exist today; no one does. ET could be that proof for those without faith.

3. Why are there so many religions?
Because of arguements, selfishness, and downright evil.

Agreed, and nice history lesson.

4. Which religion is true? None! Your not suppose to have a middle man between you and Yahweh. Your suppose to make the effort to read and study the Bible yourself! Stop relying on the priests, rabbi, clergy, minister, on and on!

Agreed, but there is a coming religion that will be touted as the “real and true” religion. When the time comes, you will follow it, or you will die.

Only Yahweh has been around since the beginning of time.

I agree, but if you re-read my scenario, the ETs are lying by claiming to be THE creator. Later, because of several questions, I added that they could say that the creator is dead or moved on and left them in charge.

And WHY do everyone think that when other aliens land on Earth, they will automatically act good?

Everyone doesn’t. This is a scenario. A possible outcome. Your personal truths are not the only possibility. This thread is an example of another. Get it?

enemies of God (angels who tried to seize power.)
Hmmm... enemies of which god? There's many? What's the NAME of this god they are enemies of? The Nephilim? Raphiem? Marduk? Or... Yahweh?

Notice the capital G in God?

I am your shield, I am the LORD, I am God Almighty,

or simply

I Am Who I Am

All who worship them (read believe them) will have angered the one true God. We will have done exactly what He warns us against doing so many times.

Believing in other gods, is not the same as worshipping. People who believe in the Bible, also believe in the demons…etc.

Again, read what I said. I did not say “believing in them,” as you state, I said believe them

The difference in the context of what I wrote is, that to believe them is to believe the lie that they are our creator and we should worship them.

And it is the one crime that He will not pardon.

Only Yahweh himself knows for sure who he'll pardon and who he won't pardon. No one else knows or can say.

If you deny Christ and God and worship some other god, I guess you could be hopeful and wish for a pardon.

The Bible says you won’t get it, though.

So, no offence intended but, I think I’ll stick by what it says, instead of what you say.

Interesting ideas non the less.

Nope. More like they use us for slaves as the Bible states man was created for - to till the earth. Since this was planned before man was created, then man had no say in it. Which makes man a slave. Created to be a slave.
In additon it's possible man might be used as food for certain other "gods".

I jut want to point out that if you are going to use the bible as a reference for your alien/God theory, then we should clear up the fact that God says man was created to have dominion over the earth and commune with God forever. It was when man sinned and fell from God's grace that God changed things to have man toil while working the earth, and caused labor pains for women. Just wanted to clear it up that our original purpose was not to be a slave to the earth or aliens.

Does anyone here think that maybe when aliens come that Humankind will get over the security blanket of religion that we have used to so many thousands of years as an excuse for our ignorance of the universe?

Originally posted by Garrison
Does anyone here think that maybe when aliens come that Humankind will get over the security blanket of religion that we have used to so many thousands of years as an excuse for our ignorance of the universe?

I think many will say that very thing. But, when they demand that you worship them, what will you do?

i think he watched avp to many times

First of all... I did like avp... lol... and secondly a species that is advanced enough to traverse the great distances that star-travel requires would, I hope at least, be advanced enough not to want a bunch of primatives worshiping them. It's like a human wishing a bunch of ants to worship them. It's kinda arrogant to think that they would want us worshiping them. what makes any of you think that they would be that petty? Advancement of a being would include their ego. so what is to say a being couldn't advance beyond the limits that humankind puts on their "creator"?

I see where you are coming from.

I guess that they might not claim to be God, and then my point is moot.

But this thread is about if they do claim to be God..

My assertion is that they will claim to be God.

I understand that you do not think they will, and thanks for the opinion.

Human kind was created as a slave race. as it became self aware, it wanted to worship its creator. Unfortunately, humankind is still to primitive to understand that thier creators are not gods. humans were created with the power to create, and have thus done so. Machine was originally meant to be "slaves", making the human life easier. But like humans, machines, too, are becoming self aware. The question is not whether or not humans will worship outworlders as "gods", but rather, when will they stop worshiping them as gods, and assume the responsibility of "God" to the race that they have created.

[edit on 17-3-2005 by Annunaki]

Originally posted by NoPhobos

Wrapping our finite minds around the concept of an infinite being is difficult at best, but one way to look at it is: God created matter and time so that we could exist. Call it a “big bang” or creation or whatever. The universe is a realm created where time, matter, and energy can all exist together.

Outside of this realm, where time does not exist (therefore it has no beginning), is God.

Your logic is flawed by lack of reasoning. Creation needs matter in order to exist. nothing can be created from nothingness. Your god is not a human-like entity, but rather, what you worship is beyond your creators themselves. It is an energy source in which every piece of matter comes from. Matter itself is merely energy in a simultaneous constructive-destructive oscillation pattern. What this message is saying may be difficult to grasp. But do not question this messages source, your "bible" or anything external. Question yourself. look deep inside yourself, for it is there that all the answers you seek exist.