Dec 12th, 2019 UK General Election Thread

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: paraphi

I think people know politicians lie sometimes

Johnson was sacked from " The Times " newspaper for lying. That was long before he became a politician.

The bloke is not to be trusted.

Yet we now see Corbyn lying about the Tories selling the NHS to Trump and lying about his support for the IRA, Hamas etc and his blatant antisemitism.

And generally being clueless about running the economy.

He hates our country, our intelligence service and armed forces (who he wanted the IRA to defeat).

Yet you think he can be trusted?

a reply to: alldaylong

and you think our country would be better if Callahan had stayed in power til now? Hope you got shares in a candle making factory plus a your own leccy generator. Unless you lived through Labour back then you really never experienced how bad they got us

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

all the coal mines and steel were eneconoic and needed closing down as the country was literally falling apart and everyone else was paying for those 3 million to exist in non profit jobs. Why should everyone else pay the wages for a miner who couldn't compete I the mat=rkets? Those miners etc were as good as employed but on benefits through the back door

Same with much of big industry. It was a fchanged world and we were going off the edge of the cliff. Then comes Thatcher who gave belief back to the people by replacing the old with the new. She saved this country, created what we all experienced by the late 80s early 90s it was a great time..................... Foreign manufactures rushed to Britain curtesy of thatchers help to set up pants in the UK, believe me that was DEFO NOT happeneing under Callahan or later Brown Blair bitch project. Things really took off.............. If you actually got up off your arse by your shoelaces and went out learnt a trade where others would give you a wage for your time this country never had a peiod so good. In addition she took back our compatriots in tehAtlantic plus faced off the Soviets on the Continent with hardware and the will to win. Brilliant time and our modern country owes that Conservative governemt a massive debt

Well that's the fiction.

Now the facts.

Thatcher solved certain problems – high inflation, time lost to strikes, poor manufacturing productivity, but also created new problems. – Mass unemployment, rising inequality and a more fragmented society.

It is also ironic that she came to power promising to solve inflation, but left power with an unnecessary inflationary boom, which led to another unnecessary recession of 1991.

www.economicshelp.org...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Better for people who work for a living

Yeah , I'm one of them but all I've seen from the Tories is 10 years of Austerity , failing public services and an increase in homelessness , can't say I feel any better off than I did under the Blair government.

and who got us into that mess? Tony Blair and Gordon Brown They ruined all the good work Maggie did, blimey of all people you should know how Telford booming times under Maggie............................. It was an industrial gem of a town back then only to be let down by Blairs high Pound

I come from the north of England, typically a Labour stronghold, however, I will not be voting labour this time. I am a veteran and patrolled the streets of Northern Ireland whilst the Labour leader was cozying up to IRA terrorists. The fact that he is able to get into the position of leader of the Labour Party has amazed me and leaves a bitter taste, I find it difficult to understand that you’re typical Joe public is willing to vote for this man knowing his history. So I will vote for whoever is best positioned to stop him taking power.

a reply to: alldaylong

Well mst people I know fully understand that life in the industrial Midlands is way better under a Tory government and that's why we are governed by one today and you can pretty much expect to be governed by one next year

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

all the coal mines and steel were eneconoic and needed closing down as the country was literally falling apart and everyone else was paying for those 3 million to exist in non profit jobs. Why should everyone else pay the wages for a miner who couldn't compete I the mat=rkets? Those miners etc were as good as employed but on benefits through the back door

Same with much of big industry. It was a fchanged world and we were going off the edge of the cliff. Then comes Thatcher who gave belief back to the people by replacing the old with the new. She saved this country, created what we all experienced by the late 80s early 90s it was a great time..................... Foreign manufactures rushed to Britain curtesy of thatchers help to set up pants in the UK, believe me that was DEFO NOT happeneing under Callahan or later Brown Blair bitch project. Things really took off.............. If you actually got up off your arse by your shoelaces and went out learnt a trade where others would give you a wage for your time this country never had a peiod so good. In addition she took back our compatriots in tehAtlantic plus faced off the Soviets on the Continent with hardware and the will to win. Brilliant time and our modern country owes that Conservative governemt a massive debt

Did you know that GDP growth was almost identical in the 1970s and 1980s?

Not much of an economic miracle.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

all the coal mines and steel were eneconoic and needed closing down as the country was literally falling apart and everyone else was paying for those 3 million to exist in non profit jobs. Why should everyone else pay the wages for a miner who couldn't compete I the mat=rkets? Those miners etc were as good as employed but on benefits through the back door

Same with much of big industry. It was a fchanged world and we were going off the edge of the cliff. Then comes Thatcher who gave belief back to the people by replacing the old with the new. She saved this country, created what we all experienced by the late 80s early 90s it was a great time..................... Foreign manufactures rushed to Britain curtesy of thatchers help to set up pants in the UK, believe me that was DEFO NOT happeneing under Callahan or later Brown Blair bitch project. Things really took off.............. If you actually got up off your arse by your shoelaces and went out learnt a trade where others would give you a wage for your time this country never had a peiod so good. In addition she took back our compatriots in tehAtlantic plus faced off the Soviets on the Continent with hardware and the will to win. Brilliant time and our modern country owes that Conservative governemt a massive debt

Well that's the fiction.

Now the facts.

Thatcher solved certain problems – high inflation, time lost to strikes, poor manufacturing productivity, but also created new problems. – Mass unemployment, rising inequality and a more fragmented society.

It is also ironic that she came to power promising to solve inflation, but left power with an unnecessary inflationary boom, which led to another unnecessary recession of 1991.

www.economicshelp.org...

I can't remember UFOs politics, is he possibly trolling us?

And still some lefties are going on about Thatcher?

Jeez....

originally posted by: oldcarpy
And still some lefties are going on about Thatcher?

Jeez....

Is UFO a leftie?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

The Thatcher Years.

Manufacturing meltdown: 1980-81 Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979 convinced that radical action was needed to reverse Britain's relative economic decline. Interest rates were raised in an attempt to tackle inflation, with the pound – already rising as a result of the UK's booming North Sea oil revenues – allowed to appreciate further on the foreign exchanges. Even so, the annual inflation rate rose to 20% in Thatcher's first year in office and this, together with high borrowing costs and cheap imports drove 20% of manufacturing to the wall.

Lawson's legacy: 1990-92 By the mid-1980s, Britain was growing strongly, unemployment was coming down and inflation was below 2.5%. But under Nigel Lawson's stewardship, a property frenzy was allowed to develop, fuelled by low interest rates and tax cuts. After hitting a trough of 7.5% in 1988, interest rates doubled in the next year, with the result that unemployment rose above 3 million for the second time in a decade and house repossessions hit record levels. The bust was intensified by Britain's membership of the Exchange Rate Mechanism, which prevented interest rates from being cut

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

and who got us into that mess?

The collapse of the American subprime Ponzi scheme and our banks complicity in it , Brown and Blair are guilty of a few things but the financial crisis isn't one of them.

Telford booming times under Maggie

Must have missed that through the 80's but I do remember the Poll Tax riot we had , another great Tory idea to criminalise the working poor , the bosses probably did well off the backs of the underpaid though.

If Johnson was offering a proper Brexit he would get my vote but as it is he's just another Tory.

a reply to: ScepticScot

You can't compare the hell of the 70's to the new dawn of the 80s t was another world. You can throw all the statistics you want but Maggie saved this country through change, something Labour was unable to push through as their core voters loved the state handouts through the ack door od uncompetitive business.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: oldcarpy
And still some lefties are going on about Thatcher?

Jeez....

Is UFO a leftie?

Ah. Apologies. Carry on.

a reply to: alldaylong

More leftie clap trap there ADL........................... In the senenties we all went to Bonor or Blackpool by the eighties under Maggiewe all went to Benidorm wow what a social change It took a good shake up of Britain but she saved us, every sane Brit knows this simple fact and that s why they vote in a Tory government

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: ScepticScot

You can't compare the hell of the 70's to the new dawn of the 80s t was another world. You can throw all the statistics you want but Maggie saved this country through change, something Labour was unable to push through as their core voters loved the state handouts through the ack door od uncompetitive business.

Because your personal experience counts for more than actual statistics?

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

In the senenties we all went to Bonor or Blackpool

Poor you.

I was going to Austria, Switzerland and Italy to name but three.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: alldaylong

More leftie clap trap there ADL........................... In the senenties we all went to Bonor or Blackpool by the eighties under Maggiewe all went to Benidorm wow what a social change

It took a good shake up of Britain but she saved us, every sane Brit knows this simple fact and that s why they vote in a Tory government

Actually some truth in.That as high interest rates meant strong pound and so cheaper foreign holidays.

Obviously not for the 3million + unemployed...

a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm not a troll SScot just someone wo has lived through half a century of dufferent politics parties and experiences and life for us is better under the Tories. Don't get me wrong, there's much about the Tories not keen on, the elitist manner in their party is a bit stinky and going back a hundred years yes theyre a horrid lot and we REALLY did need Labour back then to save the general public from thr rightest extremes and to help buo;d a more balanced Britain. It's just in the modern world if you get up from the couch learn some way to encourage others to ahnd over money to make you a living you are simply lots better off in an economy run by the Tories. It's just common sense not to let Labour ruin it again, that's why the Tories are in power now and I expect will be in power next year

a reply to: alldaylong

What in the seventies? Lucky you............. You must have been part of the elite