Was Jesus Christ from the future?

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

OH I agree with those scriptures but they do not absolve the sins that
occurred. Sin played it's part did it not? This is a very important part
of what happened and not just splitting hairs.

As far as Jesus being from the future He is from the future the past and the present. He created time has control over it and it will be abolished
when the new heaven and new earth are created.

Definitely agreed a very good point!

How can it be sin if it is the will of the Father?

It wasn't his will that caused people to kill, they chose to do it. He knew they would, that they would do it. But they chose to murder. They sinned when they did it.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

OH I agree with those scriptures but they do not absolve the sins that
occurred. Sin played it's part did it not? This is a very important part
of what happened and not just splitting hairs.

As far as Jesus being from the future He is from the future the past and the present. He created time has control over it and it will be abolished
when the new heaven and new earth are created.

Definitely agreed a very good point!

How can it be sin if it is the will of the Father?

It wasn't his will that caused people to kill, they chose to do it. He knew they would, that they would do it. But they chose to murder. They sinned when they did it.

Was it the will of the Father that Judas would betray Him? Did Judas sin or was it the result of prophecy written by God through Isiah? Did he have a choice?

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
9D human

What do you mean by this?

We are a limited physical imagined creation that live within a three dimensional construct. Psychically we CAN travel without our bodies but are not enlightened/taught how do this in a useful practical way (remembering or directing what you think are dream adventures when you are out of body). We do not have the ability to raise or lower our bodies vibration rates to flow across the 9 physical/non physical dimensions. Jesus had the ability to physically or mentally do this with ease. His idea form was constructed 200 years before his actual physical birth in Teotihuacan.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

OH I agree with those scriptures but they do not absolve the sins that
occurred. Sin played it's part did it not? This is a very important part
of what happened and not just splitting hairs.

As far as Jesus being from the future He is from the future the past and the present. He created time has control over it and it will be abolished
when the new heaven and new earth are created.

Definitely agreed a very good point!

How can it be sin if it is the will of the Father?

It wasn't his will that caused people to kill, they chose to do it. He knew they would, that they would do it. But they chose to murder. They sinned when they did it.

Was it the will of the Father that Judas would betray Him? Did Judas sin or was it the result of prophecy written by God through Isiah? Did he have a choice?

This was just excellent acting, and the play was very well written.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

OH I agree with those scriptures but they do not absolve the sins that
occurred. Sin played it's part did it not? This is a very important part
of what happened and not just splitting hairs.

As far as Jesus being from the future He is from the future the past and the present. He created time has control over it and it will be abolished
when the new heaven and new earth are created.

Definitely agreed a very good point!

How can it be sin if it is the will of the Father?

It wasn't his will that caused people to kill, they chose to do it. He knew they would, that they would do it. But they chose to murder. They sinned when they did it.

Was it the will of the Father that Judas would betray Him? Did Judas sin or was it the result of prophecy written by God through Isiah? Did he have a choice?

Prophesy is a vision of future events, but it does not make it happen. Obviously Judas had a choice. He accepted the temptation to do it for money even though he knew he was doing a great sin. You should be able to understand these things, or perhaps you have a reason for not wanting to.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
His idea form was constructed 200 years before his actual physical birth in Teotihuacan.

I am fascinated because of all things I have heard of Jesus, I have never heard this. Are you trolling me?

If not, what do you mean by "idea form", and where did you learn of this in general?

If you think about it Judas is the hero of the bible.

No betrayal for 30 pieces of silver means no sacrifice on the cross, which means no salvation for mankind.

Christians should venerate this Judas fellow, really

originally posted by: DictionaryOfExcuses

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
His idea form was constructed 200 years before his actual physical birth in Teotihuacan.

I am fascinated because of all things I have heard of Jesus, I have never heard this. Are you trolling me?
If not, what do you mean by "idea form", and where did you learn of this in general?

Everything begins with an idea 'I am lonely' resulting in chaos that organizes itself into matter or patterns that can be built upon. The idea in this case was to create an instrument of learning for the masses fine tuned to that specific area, Judea (not unlike a Mohammed or Buddha or Vishnu). The petri dish was a Maya pyramid complex in Mexico.

originally posted by: Ohanka
If you think about it Judas is the hero of the bible.

No betrayal for 30 pieces of silver means no sacrifice on the cross, which means no salvation for mankind.
Christians should venerate this Judas fellow, really

He is a hero; he signed up to play the antagonist (best friend disciple) in this play before he incarnated.

a reply to: Ohanka

Oh you have it so VERY WRONG, Judas Iscariot was called a Devil by Jesus himself when he warned that one among them was a Devil and would betray him.

He was in no was a being to be venerated, even though the Sanhedrin paid him the silver they were more innocent than he ever was because he BETRAYED the Lord, the Sanhedrin merely fulfilled there part in the prophecy and refused to accept the blood money which was no longer Kosha back from the man whom they had paid it too.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Everything begins with an idea 'I am lonely'...

Now you're speaking in a language I understand

originally posted by: Ohanka
If you think about it Judas is the hero of the bible.

No betrayal for 30 pieces of silver means no sacrifice on the cross, which means no salvation for mankind.

Christians should venerate this Judas fellow, really

Wrong. You should venerate Jesus for his sacrifice to come here and complete his mission.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Was it the will of the Father that Judas would betray Him? Did Judas sin or was it the result of prophecy written by God through Isiah? Did he have a choice?

I myself have no reason to believe that being able to see
the future would put me in control of the future. What you are
suggesting is there is no free will and that God is a tyrant. And
that just isn't close to the truth.

I

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Klassified

Did the biblical Jesus even exist?

That's the one we're talking about so maybe you should start your
own thread and ask that question? Instead of causing this thread to
drift into that BS?

You might not like the question, but it is relevant to the topic. If he didn't exist, he wasn't from the future, and there is no definitive evidence of either having been the case.

a reply to: Klassified

I know all that everyone here knows all that! why do you insist?
Whether or not I like the question has nothing to do with your
willingness to be disruptive with ad nauseam. Why is that?
How many threads have you decimated this way?
You need evidence go find it.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

OH I agree with those scriptures but they do not absolve the sins that
occurred. Sin played it's part did it not? This is a very important part
of what happened and not just splitting hairs.

As far as Jesus being from the future He is from the future the past and the present. He created time has control over it and it will be abolished
when the new heaven and new earth are created.

Definitely agreed a very good point!

How can it be sin if it is the will of the Father?

It wasn't his will that caused people to kill, they chose to do it. He knew they would, that they would do it. But they chose to murder. They sinned when they did it.

Was it the will of the Father that Judas would betray Him? Did Judas sin or was it the result of prophecy written by God through Isiah? Did he have a choice?

Prophesy is a vision of future events, but it does not make it happen. Obviously Judas had a choice. He accepted the temptation to do it for money even though he knew he was doing a great sin. You should be able to understand these things, or perhaps you have a reason for not wanting to.

Where do think Judas is, or will ultimately endup?
Was pharaoh in the will of God when God hardened his heart again the Jews?

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Which Pharaoh ?
I would suggest to you that you consider the fact the fear
breeds hate. And Pharaoh's own fear that his people would
no longer venerate him as God. Stirred his hate for God even tho he
realized he was out matched by God himself. Hate for God hardened
his heart. Not an act of God.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Klassified

I know all that everyone here knows all that! why do you insist?
Whether or not I like the question has nothing to do with your
willingness to be disruptive with ad nauseam. Why is that?
How many threads have you decimated this way?
You need evidence go find it.

So it's ok for you to voice your opinion in whatever thread you choose, but it's not ok for me to ask a question or voice my own opinion because it differs form yours or contradicts your beliefs. That doesn't seem fair, does it? You're on the wrong site if you only want opinions that don't question your convictions. Now we're both off-topic, so I'll leave it there lest the mods have their way with us.

a reply to: Klassified


LOL I didn't say any of that so your reply is worthless.
Everyone is going with the assumption that Jesus Christ existed!
So you go ahead and show us all the wonderful wisdom's
you have pertaining to the subject. I'm sure it will be impressive!
Here it is everyone once again the question only an atheist could
love. lol

Well you have the stage! I can't wait.

Hold the music stop the presses there's an announcement coming!
My beliefs were not mentioned Thread drift was my concern.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck
It was during the First Council of Nicaea that Christian bishops began to sort out the Gospels and decide which ones were going to be put into the Bible under the leadership of Emperor Constantine in 325 AD.
There were many Gospels, and they liked things neat and tidy without controversy, but there is a Gospel of Judas, that obviously was excluded, they chose Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to go into the Bible, links below:-
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

The Last Pharaoh died in 30 BC, being the Greek Pharaoh Cleopatra, her son died shortly after.