With every new gender do we need a corresponding sexuality?

a reply to: blueman12

They were the real article, some of today's are also, did you know that testosterone get's turned into oestrogen in athletes body's - ever wonder why weightlifters often have such smooth skin among other thing's.
Some of today's are therefore natural Gay's, the real article and genuine natural homosexual's BUT given our chemically disrupted environment's, our plant's and animal food sources being doped in all manner of crap and hormones to make them more productive that then enter our body's AND the interreference of other chemical and environmental factor's that affect our DNA and our Behaviour I will stand by my assertion that the far higher proportion of our society that is gay is not simply a result of a more open society but also of artificial and induced homosexuality.

So some are the same but I would argue that majority are not though the end result IS the same.

And they are all still human being's, still our brothers and sisters so I do not condone persecution this is simply a matter of addressing an epidemic of altered behaviour, that will rub some up very badly but I mean my word's exactly.

I am not condoning CURES for gay's as those are against there human right's and often entail brain washing BUT I DO CONDONE trying to heal our race so that only NATURAL gay's are born that way and I am as I say against persecution of them.

a reply to: LABTECH767

While it is possible that chemicals may be inducing more homosexuals, it is still a complete assumption. What proof is there that added estrogen and chemicals effect the fetus of growing human's sexualality? Or what baby food chemicals are turning people gay?

It just seems like a wild assumption. You may be correct somewhat but we can't know without some serious study's

Like i said on a post on Facebook I just address everybody as HEY YOU. its easier then having to remember how ever many genders there are supposedly now. Plus its so much less awkward then starting a conversation of with hi my name is Becky (not actual name) i identify as a non binary straight Apache flying unicorn Pegasus (yes i know that made no sense).

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: Grenade

I'm kinda thinking I am missing out on making a $hitload of cash by not coming out with a gender neutral undergarment clothing line....

It would be called "Thems" for the younger crowd then as they get old I could just rebrand "Depends"....because it depends on what you identify as....LOL

You could print a penis on the front and vagina on the rear, then you just put them on whichever way around matches your feelings on that day.

Reply to you both, that is absolutely brilliant and hilarious. Thank you for making my day!

originally posted by: ANNED

Previously we had male, female and transgender which pretty much covered 99% of the population as far as gender identification.

you forgot intersex that is somewhere between male and female.
en.wikipedia.org...
isna.org...

Actually i stated this covers 99%. Intersex would be the 1%.

Why do people care so much about other people’s gender or sexuality?

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Perfectly stated but I would add to the genetic mutation also psychological disorder and chemically altered due to contamination (perhaps deliberate population control) in food's and water supply's and also atmospheric pollutant's as well as hormone disruption as a result of both pharmaceutical and cosmetic interference in the natural biology, do woman and men ever wonder what the hell they are spraying on there body's and what affects it may have upon there natural hormonal balance? (or that of there unborn or even as yet unconceived children as many of these chemical's linger and have a bio-accumulative nature meaning they may stay in the body for years even if they were only sprayed upon the skin), do the cosmetic, chemical and pharmaceutical company's give a damn if something sell's and earns them a profit.

There is no scientific evidence to support your theory. There have always been gay and gender divergent people. 176,000 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer annually and are commonly treated with estrogen. They don't turn gay or trans and Being Transgender Has Nothing to Do with Hormonal Imbalance.

Now if you want to talk about hormonal imbalances, chemical insensitivities or brain development in utero that may be a little more complicated but there's still no evidence exogenous environmental pollution is making more people gay or trans nor does it explain why these people have always existed.

There have always been gay's though perhaps - definitely - not in the percentage we have them today but for the most part they were NOT like today's gay's, Athletes in ancient Greece and Rome were often bisexual and male sexual attraction was a part of there culture BUT they were also unfair to woman and used them primarily to have children so woman had no or few right's in there society's, that said they still did not have men marrying men.

Certainly that is what is taught in mainstream Judeo-Christian ideology but I might suggest your information and knowledge in this area has been culturally influenced and is lacking in depth.

The history of many Native American, African and Asian cultures includes same-sex and transgender conjugal unions. But examples of formal religious ceremonies in which two men who love each other are solemnly wedded together for life can be found across Europe, throughout classical antiquity and until the end of the middle ages. Link

There ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS MALE AND FEMALE, Intersex genders do not exist except as a modern invention of society.

Your own sentence contradicts itself as first you use the word gender to refer to biological sex then you claim gender is a social construct. Which is it? With the exception of those born with DSDs (differences of sexual development, i.e. intersex), there are two SEXES – MALE AND FEMALE. Gender is how our masculinity or femininity is expressed as men and women and is open to subjective interpretation because our “rules” on these things are a modern invention of society and culture and have changed over time. Generally speaking, gender is how we advertise our sexuality.

The only thing different these days is for some reason, everyone needs to have their own label to feel special. The whole 96 made up gender thing is a phenomenon of the internet.

Biologically there are however condition's that sometimes affect male foetus, these children suffer a genetic defect that makes them insensitive to testosterone and as a result the foetus does not develop into a male but instead develops outwardly entirely female trait's, usually they look more attractive than real woman BUT are usually very strongly internally emotionally male, there Ovaries are actually unformed testicles and so they are barren, how many barren woman of the past were therefore really male at the genetic level but suffered this defect, does that make them a third sex?.

In reference to what I have highlighted, this is completely untrue. The condition you reference is CAIS – complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. AIS also comes in partial and mild forms. Those with CAIS are born with female genitalia, are raised as girls that look and act like girls. The condition is usually not discovered until puberty or in the case of the girl below, not until she was 16 and still hadn’t had a period.


Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome

As for male's, sorry no if they develop into men then that is what they are no matter how effeminate they become or how much they may suffer the psychological body dysmorphia.

Stop Confusing Gender Dysphoria With Body Dysmorphia Already

The rest of what you've had to say is simply opinion I couldn't care less about but anarchists? Really?

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Grenade

Are you really pandering? How many people do you meet that ask you to call them a specific gender identity? It's a small portion of the population that ask for this and an even smaller portion that complain about people misrepresenting their gender.

It's just a minuscule issue that's overblown by the media. Hell, i bet if you meet someone who goes by an unusual gender name you would probably just respect it or not be friends with them.

Very much so, I live and work in London. Even 5 years ago i would never bump into anyone who i was dubious about their gender. Today i'd say at least once a week i have to address someone who i'm not quite sure where they fit. The other day i went to buy a new suit for a funeral and the shop assistant wasn't easily identifiable, i really can't say what he/she was and was made very uncomfortable by the whole situation as they wanted to "take my measurements".

I decided to shop elsewhere and on leaving accidentally said "thanks for the help mate" which is how i would have informally addressed a man, i then did a bit of mental gymnastics and made a sharp exit as felt i had made a little faux pas. I never meant to offend the person, quite the opposite, just due to their appearance and the fact they worked in a male suit shop mentally i slipped onto the side of them being male.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Cancerwarrior

LGBTQ isn't a biological mutation though. It's how one feels inside.

Does this go for race too? Can I feel white today yet be brown or can a black person become Asian if they feel like it? If everything is feeling arn;t my feeling as valid as anyone else's?

I propose that we:

1. Stop worrying/obsessing over another persons sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity or any combination of the above.

2. Forbid laws that discriminate against anyone because of their sex, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity or any combination of the above.

Problem solved.

ETA: If Virginia ratifies the Equal Rights Amendment and Congress acknowledges same as Amendment XXVIII.

This mental illness will go 'to infinity and beyond' ..........it will always be a joke

originally posted by: Plotus
This mental illness will go 'to infinity and beyond' ..........it will always be a joke

Folks said the same of things about Blacks, Women, LGBT working for equality.

Obsessions about what’s in other people’s pants and what they do with it needs to stop.

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
You’re either born with an XX or an XY chromosome.

Anything else is a genetic mutation.

Biology has not changed, people have just gotten crazier. Leave it to humans to take something so simple and distort it to the point of ridiculousness.

Exactly. There is only male or female. Or a genetic mutation.

However, there are some things that I may like.... but they're not a gender.

This thread will still get the pandimensional intergalactic planetoid fetish people who think having sex with moons is a real genetic identity, though... unicorns for all !!

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Plotus
This mental illness will go 'to infinity and beyond' ..........it will always be a joke

Folks said the same of things about Blacks, Women, LGBT working for equality.

Obsessions about what’s in other people’s pants and what they do with it needs to stop.

A good way for that to happen would be not to parade around in obnoxiously revealing costumes, donning clown makeup and talking like you have a problem fitting your own words in your mouth. That is 100% an act, perpetrated simply for the camp style that a lot of gay people epitomise.

Then we could, at least, focus on the ignorant morons that do take more interest in what you do behind closed doors and who act with violence towards it, with a little more specificity.

When I see a gay marriage celebration with two normal people who look like they're in love, I think "That's nice, they look happy! good for them." (but secretly thinking, "haha, suckers... now you're really going to be in for it.. marriage..")

but when I see semi naked protests, with people gyrating and swinging their junk to all and sundry, with overtly sexualised acts paraded around in the name of pride... I do, just a little, puke in my mouth.

"Look at moi, look at moi... Stop looking at moiiii!!"

Speaking of medical science .. .

People often are unaware of the biological complexity of sex and gender, says Dr. Eric Vilain, director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at UCLA, where he studies the genetics of sexual development and sex differences. “People tend to define sex in a binary way — either wholly male or wholly female — based on physical appearance or by which sex chromosomes an individual carries. But while sex and gender may seem dichotomous, there are in reality many intermediates.”

UCLA

Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex

World Health Organization

a reply to: gallop

You don’t like parades, don’t attend.

You don’t like the way people talk, don’t listen to them.

You have your opinions, I have mine (which aren’t too far away from yours incidentally) but that’s all they are.

People aren’t hurting you or me have a right to dress, act, be how they are.

I find lots of things offensive. Blatant ignorance and stupidity presented as viable political and religious thought. Dipsticks who can’t write a complete sentence telling someone else “you can’t read gud.”

People are what people are.

/shrug

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Cancerwarrior

LGBTQ isn't a biological mutation though. It's how one feels inside.

Well I feel like an M1A1 Abrams Main Battle Tank inside.

Unfortunately, I can’t afford the operation.

I was taught that you, and you alone are personally responsible for your own feelings. How you personally feel about one thing or another isn’t something that you should expect the rest of the world to cater to.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: gallop

You don’t like parades, don’t attend.

You don’t like the way people talk, don’t listen to them.

You have your opinions, I have mine (which aren’t too far away from yours incidentally) but that’s all they are.

People aren’t hurting you or me have a right to dress, act, be how they are.

I find lots of things offensive. Blatant ignorance and stupidity presented as viable political and religious thought. Dipsticks who can’t write a complete sentence telling someone else “you can’t read gud.”

People are what people are.

/shrug

While I agree it's not "hurting" anyone - people are getting in trouble and made to feel like a criminal for stating facts. Facts are facts, biologically you are male OR female. If I call you "he" or "she" … it's not an offensive comment. It may be incorrect, but if you're actively dressing in a more masculine or feminine way to your gender (which is the same as sex), you surely expect this to happen and can't be offended.

I am happy for anyone to live how they want. If you want to be a transgender male/female - go for it. But don't enforce the way people communicate/think. I sometimes wonder if the words he and she are offensive now, and we shouldn't be in that position.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I agree with your post 100 percent.

It would be nice if the rest of ATS could respond to posts with simple truth and logic such as you.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: gallop

You don’t like parades, don’t attend.

You don’t like the way people talk, don’t listen to them.

You have your opinions, I have mine (which aren’t too far away from yours incidentally) but that’s all they are.

People aren’t hurting you or me have a right to dress, act, be how they are.

I find lots of things offensive. Blatant ignorance and stupidity presented as viable political and religious thought. Dipsticks who can’t write a complete sentence telling someone else “you can’t read gud.”

People are what people are.

/shrug

While I agree it's not "hurting" anyone - people are getting in trouble and made to feel like a criminal for stating facts. Facts are facts, biologically you are male OR female. If I call you "he" or "she" … it's not an offensive comment. It may be incorrect, but if you're actively dressing in a more masculine or feminine way to your gender (which is the same as sex), you surely expect this to happen and can't be offended.

I am happy for anyone to live how they want. If you want to be a transgender male/female - go for it. But don't enforce the way people communicate/think. I sometimes wonder if the words he and she are offensive now, and we shouldn't be in that position.

I posted two sources above which demonstrate scientifically/biologically/medically that while the concept of two sexes represent physiological norms, to repeatedly claim there are only two possibilities is not valid. We are recognizing that fact and have been over the last century. We also realize (as have many societies and cultures before that sexual orientation and gender identity also vary from the norm.

I’m opposed to anything that restricts free speech. I’m opposed to legislating morality or pronouns.

Yes, there are extremists who want to dictate to others what when and where to think on ALL SIDES of this issue (or any issue.)

#$&@ them is my general philosophy.

a reply to: Grenade

Well, you're not wrong... there are plenty of new sexualities being invented these days -- like pansexual and polyamory. Not my thing but whatever floats their boat.

When there are real and present dangers inherent in the greater agenda -- and there are! -- this is the last of our worries. Consenting adults can do as they will and call themselves what they will. (Damn! Took me three tries to type "themselves" correctly!)