Tic Tac video Gov. sanctioned leak.....

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Thanks for all the info spirtualarchitect.
You have been very helpful!!

You have a very different energy .....

originally posted by: celltypespecific
I forgot about Lt. Col. Kurth

The first pilot on the scene was Lt. Col “Cheeks” Kurth, Commanding officer VMFA-232. He flew his single seater Hornet over the water disturbance. Looking down from his viewpoint at around 15,000 feet, he claimed the water disturbance was circular and around 50 to 100 meters in diameter. It looked to him like it was rapidly sinking under the water.

The original 2007 rumor (TFT?) stated that pilots saw steam or smoke churning around object and that it was much larger than a submarine. A pilot also described the object initially as resembling a downed airliner, just as David Fravor did.

A submarine officer who wanted to remain anonymous, was aboard the USS Louisville during the time it was operating at the scene of the incident,. This officer said that there were no unidentified sonar contacts in the water at anytime during that operation.

This person could be lying, as 3 pilots, Kurth, Fravor and his wingwoman, all reported either an object on the water, going under the water, or already having gone underwater. Yet we know from other USO reports that these craft can go undetected and not show up on the operators scopes. Like radar, they can avoid the sonar sensors, as with Kurth, Fravor and his wingwomans Hornets radars, the subs scopes were clean. Interestingly enough, the Tic Tac could only avoid the Hawkeye radar for minutes at a time, but not completely, and it seems it could not avoid the Princeton radar at all.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Thanks for all the info

Do you want me to keep going? Do you want me to keep bumping your thread?

You are one of the main reasons i had to go back and watch and read all this ticky tacky stuff

Who else am I going to talk to about all this!

As Fravor told us, it did not take long before everyone on board the Nimitz knew what happened. If these people are lying about the event, how come hundreds of crew members from the Nimitz, and Princeton have not come out and told us? That is nearly 5,000 people, any of which could have said it was a test program of some kind. Yet not one has come out and said anything against these UFO events ever happening! The very fact that no one from these ships has come out and told us that these events never happened means that the events really did happen.

a reply to: roadgravel

TopGun Intercept Controller Kevin Day says “After this now famous Commander Fravor intercept happened, I went back up into combat and I found one of these things on the radar and I got the relative bearing from the ship. I went up topside and I looked at that thing through the Big Eye binoculars.” Day and his buddies had been watching the “ Tic Tacs” on radar for days before he saw it for himself with his own eyes.

originally posted by: roadgravel
Didn't they see them on instruments?

“I was acting Radar Officer (I was an E-5/AT2 In Flight Technician at the time) in the E-2 at the time of the event. Although I was required to sign a waiver and NDA with the Navy over this I can tell you a couple of things. First off I did see something that transited very quickly by our E-2, and I cannot honestly say I’ve seen anything like it. The “object” joined up with us briefly and all onboard had a view. Upon arrival back to the Nimitz we were told to follow an individual down for a debriefing. We made our way to a secure area on the ship where the events were discussed individually then we were told, “It did not happen”.
~ name withheld

originally posted by: celltypespecific
However, some former USS Princeton crew members have openly stated that the Aegis radar data collected during the incidents in November 2004 was soon removed from the ship by individuals who arrived aboard the Princeton by helicopter shortly after the ‘“Tic Tac’” encounters occurred.

“Both Patrick Hughes and Gary Voorhis had official US Gov personnel arrive that day via helicopter and confiscate their classified data tapes and drives from the mission. Gary told me the entire secret CEC system, a combined radar display, was erased on orders of these men and the entire operating system had to be reinstalled back in port. The Radar Officer was told to never speak of this event again and Patrick had US Air Force Officers enter his work area to confiscate E2 data from his secure safe. Obviously some people in very high places had a keen interest in these intercepts and recordings. “
~ Dave Beaty, TNE

UFOs that only the US Navy sees. Maybe a Russian sighting.

Seems a bit odd as UFOs go.

Let’s do a little memory refresh here, Anon402, a sailor who worked with Patrick Hughes, posted this on Reddit:

“I was aboard the USS Nimitz during the encounter. My job was to strip the black boxes from every plane. The black box tracks all of the flight data which tracks the life limits of aircraft parts. I was in charge of stripping black boxes.

The incident was not cloaked in secrecy. The entire carrier was buzzing with rumors. I was not able to see the COM/NAV actual flight recording, so I was very skeptical.

That night in the berthing I asked a very close friend in intel if he could confirm the legitimacy of the film. Without speaking, he gestured that it was correct. So, my skepticism began to fade and that next day a group of individuals were "cod'ed" onto the carrier and they retrieved all the tapes. I can confirm they cod'ed onto the ship, but the seizure of tapes came from people that work in those shops.

Com/Nav is in charge of the inflight real time footage and they did have the real-time video of the event. The confirmation that I mention I received from my friend, was confirmation that the video exists and that it showed the events as we had been described.

Cod'ed is a term that refers to a small size passenger plane that the military uses to bring personnel on and off of aircraft carriers. The term that is commonly used is ...."People were cod'ed onto the ship today..."

The individuals that took our data were American and not in military uniform. They were also very well dressed. My shop personally had pertinent data that was collected. They did not personally collect it from me, but it was given to my supervisor and after he brought the required data, he was pretty vocal upon his return about how unusual this is/was.

The general consensus aboard the ship is that the individuals were from the government in some capacity and were there to obviously remove any evidence. Imagine if a Pfc. Bradley leaked that video hahaha?”

originally posted by: roadgravel
Seems a bit odd as UFOs go.

“On several occasions beginning 10 November, the Fire Control Officer and the extremely experienced Fire Control Senior Chief had detected multiple returns descending from far above the radar’s scan volume–somewhere higher than 80,000 ft. The targets, dubbed Anomalous Aerial Vehicles (AAVs), would drop from above 80K to hover roughly 50 feet off the water in a matter of seconds…

However last month when I called Dave to refresh my memory before sitting down to write this bizarre encounter, he informed me that the video had been removed from YouTube. He told me that a government agency with a three letter identifier had recently conducted an investigation into the AAVs and had exhaustively interviewed all parties involved.

All of the seven flight crew, including 6 aircrew from VFA-41 and Cheeks from VMFA-232. The Fire Control Officer and Senior Chief from Princeton, and the radar operator on the E-2. They even queried the crew of the USS Louisville, a Los Angeles-class Fast-Attack submarine that was in the area as part of the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group who reported there were no unidentified sonar contacts or strange underwater noises on that day.”

- Paco Cherici 2015 (see link below for more Original info)

thenimitzencounters.com...

a reply to: celltypespecific

From what I can tell so far, Daviv Fravor is the ONLY one involved who is in disagreement over the Nimitz event. He disagrees with his shipmate Patrick Hughes. They disagree about one thing, that being the video evidence being confiscated from the Nimitz. And he also seems to disagree with Kevin Day about the same thing happening on the Princeton. I can understand Fravor being annoyed if he was left out of the link about everything that happened that day.

I think David Fravor is telling the truth from his point of view, as I see no reason to think he is lying, but he may have been left out of the loop when it comes to some of the details that others are offering. Since we have several people claiming the original FLIR video they saw that day on board ship was much longer and clearer than what the public sees now. I see no reason to think they are lying either. And Patrick Hughes has explained nicely why Fravor would not know about the filmed evidence being confiscated.

As you know, The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Group documentary film maker David Beaty has interviewed some of the seamen from the Nimitz and Princeton and provided us their accounts of the UAP incident. Will To The Stars Academy, who struggled to get witnesses to come forward, will they pay the documentary film eyewitnesses and put them on their television show “Undocumented”? Or has TTSA moved on from the Nimitz event?

Because what we need are all these people in a room together hashing out their own accounts on film for everyone to see.

ATS needs to have its own web podcast and interview all the TTSA guys and the military eyewitnesses together. Corbell can moderate and you guys can give him all your questions and everything can be answered at once. The Final Theory, Mick West and Waptek can all have a cameo appearance on it.

And TTSA can answer all the video questions at once!

And everyone will get a free poster.

thenimitzencounters.com...

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Thanks for all the info

Do you want me to keep going? Do you want me to keep bumping your thread?

You are one of the main reasons i had to go back and watch and read all this ticky tacky stuff

Who else am I going to talk to about all this!

Sure thing... keep going.
This is the most important case in Ufology.
Its worth becoming an expert with this case.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
As you know, The Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Group documentary film maker David Beaty has interviewed some of the seamen from the Nimitz and Princeton and provided us their accounts of the UAP incident. Will To The Stars Academy, who struggled to get witnesses to come forward, will they pay the documentary film eyewitnesses and put them on their television show “Undocumented”? Or has TTSA moved on from the Nimitz event?

Because what we need are all these people in a room together hashing out their own accounts on film for everyone to see.

ATS needs to have its own web podcast and interview all the TTSA guys and the military eyewitnesses together. Corbell can moderate and you guys can give him all your questions and everything can be answered at once. The Final Theory, Mick West and Waptek can all have a cameo appearance on it.

And TTSA can answer all the video questions at once!

And everyone will get a free poster.

thenimitzencounters.com...

Excellent idea!

a reply to: KKLOCO

I agree that this our craft! I have thought that ever since the pilot mentioned that he was sent to investigate and he had no missles on his jet. That seemed odd to me. He also mentioned that the tic tac disappeared and then reappeared at the pilots original ralley point. It’s a ufo to everyone else except the us government.

originally posted by: pizzaphace
It’s a ufo to everyone else except the us government.

Yes, the government knows it is not unidentified, because they know it belongs to the EBE's.

I still don't know for sure if the Tic Tac was a GOV. Sanctioned leak...
One can argue that TFT leaking the EVENT SUMMARY was a bigger breach of security protocol than leaking the TIC-TAC video.

In 2010 this was posted by `The Seer`:

“Later that day I discovered all of our external comms had been erased from our optical recording equipment. The time stamps were there, all comms gone. No explanation suffices for this.

The pilots say too they were "debriefed". All of their videos and comms were taken. Nobody was told to remain silent however. Then again, what Naval officer would want to talk about this?

By the way, I once had physical evidence in the form of an .MPG video emailed to me before the [fill in the black] got to him. The video was his HUD display of the intercept. The video switched between TV camera system and IR. The object makes a multi-G maneuver in the video. Reminds one of the old Star Trek intro; that way it zorches away.

Unfortunately, the video was located on a Secret system and I had to leave it there when I left the service.”

`The Seer` of course is Kevin Day.

What is also interesting here is that he says the pilots were debriefed. We know that the Hawkeye crew members were debriefed, and I think the second Falcon crew was debriefed, but were the helicopter pilots from the Princeton also debriefed? The two Air Force men removed equipment from those choppers, so were they in the air gathering intel?

Are the Princeton helicopters in the video log below?

"Banger" is the Hawkeye code name. I wonder if any of the other names refer to the Princeton helicopters? DEVILS AND HOBOS or CAMELOTS? How about "RAVEN" or "INDIAN" (3X PACKAGE RUNS TO PRINCETON). That sounds like a helicopter?

CVW-11 EVENT SUMMARY
14 NOVEMBER 04
EVENT SUMMARY


EVENT 3

Event
Side
Narrative
ADEX
3A1,3C1,
3D2
110/100, 303/305, 401
FAST EAGLES 110/100 UPON TAKE OFF WERE VECTORED BY PRINCETON AND BANGER (1410L) TO INTERCEPT UNID CONTACT AT 160@40NM (N3050.8 W11746.9) (NIMITZ N3129.3 W11752.8). PRINCETON INFORMED FAST EAGLES THAT THE CONTACT WAS MOVING AT 100 KTS @ 25KFT ASL.

FAST EAGLES (110/100) COULD NOT FIND UNID AIRBORNE CONTACT AT LOCATION GIVEN BY PRINCETON. WHILE SEARCHING FOR UNID AIR CONTACT, FAST EAGLES SPOTTED LARGE UNID OBJECT IN WATER AT 1430L. PILOTS SAW STEAM/ SMOKE/CHURNING AROUND OBJECT. PILOT DESCRIBES OBJECT INITIALLY AS RESEMBLING A DOWNED AIRLINER, ALSO STATED THAT IT WAS MUCH LARGER THAN A SUBMARINE.

WHILE DESCENDING FROM 24K FT TO GAIN A BETTER VIEW OF THE UNID CONTACT IN THE WATER, FAST EAGLE 110 SIGHTED AN AIRBORNE CONTACT WHICH APPEARED TO BE CAPSULE SHAPED (WINGLESS, MOBILE, WHITE, OBLONG PILL SHAPED, 25-30 FEET IN LENGTH, NO VISIBLE MARKINGS AND NO GLASS) 5NM WEST FROM POSITION OF UNID OBJECT IN WATER.

CAPSULE (ALT 4K FT AT COURSE 300) PASSED UNDER FAST EAGLE 110 (ALT 16KFT). FAST EAGLE 110 BEGAN TURN TO ACQUIRE CAPSULE. WHILE 110 WAS DESCENDING AND TURNING, CAPSULE BEGAN CLIMBING AND TURNED INSIDE OF FAST EAGLE’S TURN RADIUS. PILOT ESTIMATED THAT CAPSULE ACHIEVED 600-700 KTS. FAST EAGLE 110 COULD NOT KEEP UP WITH THE RATE OF TURN AND THE GAIN OF ALTITUDE BY THE CAPSULE. 110 LOST VISUAL ID OF CAPSULE IN HAZE.
LAST VISUAL CONTACT HAD CAPSULE AT 14KFT HEADING DUE EAST.

NEITHER FAST EAGLES 110 OR 100 COULD ACHIEVE RADAR LOCK OR ANY OTHER MEANS OF POSITIVE ID. FAST EAGLE 100 WAS FLYING HIGH COVER AND SAW THE ENGAGEMENT BY FAST EAGLE 110. FAST EAGLE 100 CONFIRMS 110 VISUAL ID; 100 LOST CONTACT IN HAZE AS WELL.

CPA OF ACFT 110 FROM CONTACT 4000-5000 FT.


FAST EAGLES, DEVILS AND HOBOS PERFORMED ADEX IN MULLET AFTER VECTOR FROM PRINCETON TOWARD UNID CONTACT. EACH PERFORMED 1X RUN. FAST EAGLE VID 2X GROUPS:
1X SIM F8, WINGS CLEAN
1X SIM F8, WINGS CLEAN. RTB
BMB
3A2,3B1
105/106, 204/200
FAST EAGLES AND CAMELOTS PERFORMED BMB AT 2507. EACH DROPPED 4X MK-82. FAST EAGLES PERFORMED 3X RUNS; CAMELOTS 2X RUNS
SSC
2E2
503
RAVEN PERFORMED SSC AT NM/OK. 2X CONTACTS; NO PHOTO’S:
1- CHARTER FISHING BOAT N3126 E11714 COURSE 030 @ 10-15 KTS AT 1415L.
2- COMMERCIAL FISHING BOAT, N3111 E11803 COURSE 300 @ 5 KTS AT 1430L.
LOG/PG
2H1
616
INDIAN PERFORMED LOG (3X PACKAGE RUNS TO PRINCETON), DLQ’S ON PRINCETON AND PLANE GUARD IN VA.
TOTAL ORDNANCE EXPENDED: NONE


EVENT 4

Event
Side
Narrative
ADEX
4A1,4B1
4D1
111,212,
201,413
FAST EAGLES (BLUE), CAMELOTS (RED), AND HOBOS (BLUE) PERFORMED ADEX IN OPAREA MISR-1E, 2V2. ALL EXECUTED 3X RUNS.
BMB
4C1
310,311
DEVILS CONDUCTED BMB IN OPAREA 2507. EACH EXECUTED 2X RUNS AND BOTH EXPENDED 2X BLU-111 (TOTAL 4 X BLU-111).
TOTAL ORDNANCE EXPENDED: 4 X BLU-111

EVENT 5

Event
Side
Narrative
CSAR
5B1,5E1
5F1,5A1,
5H2
206,501,
106,613
CAMELOTS, BANGER, FAST EAGLES, INDIANS, AND RAVENS PERFORMED CSAR AT 090@17NM FROM NIMITZ. RAVENS JAMMED WHILE CAMELOTS EXECUTED RESCORT AT 12,000FT. BANGER CONTROLED EVENT 5 (CSAR). FAST EAGLE PERFORMED ROLE OF RMC. INDIANS REMAINED WITH CAMELOTS IN RESCORT.
AIC
5C1,5D1
5A2
303,305,
410,401,
102,100
FAST EAGLES, DEVILS, AND HOBOS PERFORMED AIC IN OPAREA MISR-1E. 305 DROPED OUT OF AIC, 2V3. HOBO AND DEVIL PERFORMED RED AIR, FAST EAGLES AND HOBO PERFORMED BLUE AIR.
TOTAL ORDNANCE EXPENDED: NONE


EVENT 6

Event
Side
Narrative
RTNK
6A1,6B1
105,211
CAMELOTS AND FAST EAGLES PERFORMED ROLE AS RTNK FOR EVENT 6 (AIC).
AIC
6B2,6C2
307,310,
201
CAMELOTS (RED) AND DEVILS (BLUE) PERFORMED AIC IN OPAREA MISR-1E. EACH EXCUTED 3X RUNS.
GANGPLANK
6C1
311
DEVIL PERFORMED GANGPLANK IN OPAREA PAPA-2. DEVIL SIMULATED 2 X MK-82.
NVG
6D1
402,403
HOBOS PERFORMED NVG OVHD. NSTR.
TOTAL ORDNANCE EXPENDED: NONE

"2 names removed"

[edit on 13-2-2007 by cometa2])

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Spirit...
So do think the edited video, event summary, power point presentation, and sonar data were all in a folder file.

Then TFT simply copied this entire folder....

Remember he also mentioned that he was in possession of 4 videos.... I think he said the other videos did not play....or that there was nothing interesting on the other videos...?

I think I have to retract my claim that TFT was a gov. agent. As it would not make any sense to leak the EVENT SUMMARY which may have more intell. value than the video.