Tic Tac video Gov. sanctioned leak.....

When I think about it.... the video that "TFT" leaked actually does not make any sense....

First the video is degraded....... If this was an actual copy without purposeful alterations ....it should not be degraded.

Second.....the video should have had moments preceding the encounter with the TIC-TAC

and most importantly......the way the video ends.........is clear evidence that the video was edited....

at the end of the video the TIC-TAC supposedly accelerates....where is the rest of the video.......

Why would the pilot stop filming.....? Why is it that TFT just happens to find this particular video that's missing what happens after the "acceleration"....?

CONCLUSION:
This video was sanctioned for release by the US GOV.

If this was a true leak....it would have been higher quality ...and contained info after the "acceleration"

a reply to: celltypespecific

Maybe it was a just a preview to see what sort of reaction it would get?

Hopefully they release more.

This then begs the question, why did the government release the video?

The only logical answer to that is — it’s our governments tech, and they want everyone to believe it’s not.

Supply Officer Jason Turner says that the Tic Tac video is not a German student film or anything else fake, because he watched the “Tic Tac” on the Princetons monitors for 10 to 15 minutes during the 2004 event. He say the video we see today is a grainy, short segment from the start of the filming, and that after it flies off to the left it gets captured by the camera again, going on and off the screen several more times during the length of the video.

Patrick Hughes, Ryan Weigelt, Gary Voorhis, Jason Turner and Kevin Day all say they saw the Tic Tac video the day it was filmed. They say it was longer and clearer than what we see now. If they are not lying to the nation 15 years later, then this means the video we see now is not only real, but is only a sample segment of the actual event. They all also say that the video evidence was removed from the Princeton and the Nimitz.

a reply to: celltypespecific
Are we SURE that it was the government that released the video?
Are we SURE that it was not say... oh maybe... let's say... Private First Class Bradley that released the video to the public in 2007?

There are more carrier pilot sighting and videos going back decades. I was on the Lincoln and asked an S2 Intel USMC SGT in the early 90's. He told me then they existed.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: celltypespecific
Are we SURE that it was the government that released the video?
Are we SURE that it was not say... oh maybe... let's say... Private First Class Bradley that released the video to the public in 2007?

Why would Private First Class Bradley release grain footage......

Why would Private First Class Bradley not show what happens after the "acceleration".....

Why is their only ONE version of this video released when numerous individuals saw this video ?

THIS VIDEO WAS RELEASED BY THE US GOV.


What's astonishing is the fact that no investigative journalist has bothered to "investigate" :

Exactly who is TFT? How exactly was the video leaked....

It''s very very strange to me that that discussion of TFT or how he leaked the video on ATS is a TABOO subject....

originally posted by: KKLOCO
This then begs the question, why did the government release the video?

The only logical answer to that is — it’s our governments tech, and they want everyone to believe it’s not.

I think it is part of the NEMESIS program or whatever is being created along those lines. The react shows those in charge they are now on the right track.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

Why would Private First Class Bradley release grain footage......

Why would Private First Class Bradley not show what happens after the "acceleration".....

Why is their only ONE version of this video released when numerous individuals saw this video ?

Those are very good questions. If the video was leaked by a Marine - or any one of the other nearly 6'000 people serving on the Nimitz or Princeton - why is it not the full video? Why would Joe Blow serviceman edit the video? Why would or any one else not named `Government/Military Big Shot` - give us a censored video? Why would they edit the video down? It is not like it would weigh less when they put it in their pocket.

Remember when I said you sounded like Lue, that was because You told me that the original was not released because it could give away too much screen info to the Chinese and Russians about the FLIR capabilities. Your statement makes sense, which seems to mean that what we are seeing is a government censored video.

But let's look at the Big Shot Roswell angle. Thanks to American - make that World Hero - Lt. Col. Blanchard, we know about the alien crafts that crashed at Roswell. If not for him getting out that press release, we would have never known.

So with that in mind, maybe it was Lt. Col. Kurth who released the video? He was the Commanding Officer of the VMFA-232. He was the first one to fly over the water disturbance which he described as 50 to 100 meters in diameter and close to round. He said it looked like something rapidly submerging from the surface like a submarine or ship sinking.

Maybe Kurth edited it down because of the FLIR info - or some other info that he was privy too - which was shown or spoken? Maybe he wanted to get it out to the world at large but did not want to give away too much information?

That could explain why there was only one video released. It was a military release - but not an official one.

originally posted by: roadgravel
NEMESIS

But NEMESIS is about FALSE fleets of drones. The Tic Tac's were not false, they were really there in the air. They were seen in person by the 4 pilots with Fravor, by the 5 man Hawkeye crew, and by Day from the cruisers deck.

It was already said that the whole operation is run by one of the factions within the gov. If that's true then that obviously means the videos were greenlighted for release...

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Didn't they see them on instruments?

edit

If there is what is claimed to be an "actual" visual

Maybe it looks like a tic tat because it isn't real in a physical sense. An illusion.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: celltypespecific

Why would Private First Class Bradley release grain footage......

Why would Private First Class Bradley not show what happens after the "acceleration".....

Why is their only ONE version of this video released when numerous individuals saw this video ?

Those are very good questions. If the video was leaked by a Marine - or any one of the other nearly 6'000 people serving on the Nimitz or Princeton - why is it not the full video? Why would Joe Blow serviceman edit the video? Why would or any one else not named `Government/Military Big Shot` - give us a censored video? Why would they edit the video down? It is not like it would weigh less when they put it in their pocket.

Remember when I said you sounded like Lue, that was because You told me that the original was not released because it could give away too much screen info to the Chinese and Russians about the FLIR capabilities. Your statement makes sense, which seems to mean that what we are seeing is a government censored video.

But let's look at the Big Shot Roswell angle. Thanks to American - make that World Hero - Lt. Col. Blanchard, we know about the alien crafts that crashed at Roswell. If not for him getting out that press release, we would have never known.

So with that in mind, maybe it was Lt. Col. Kurth who released the video? He was the Commanding Officer of the VMFA-232. He was the first one to fly over the water disturbance which he described as 50 to 100 meters in diameter and close to round. He said it looked like something rapidly submerging from the surface like a submarine or ship sinking.

Maybe Kurth edited it down because of the FLIR info - or some other info that he was privy too - which was shown or spoken? Maybe he wanted to get it out to the world at large but did not want to give away too much information?

That could explain why there was only one video released. It was a military release - but not an official one.

Wow....that was an excellent analysis.....
I forgot about Lt. Col. Kurth

You stated my concerns alot more eloquently than I did...its so strange that people are glossing over this:

If the video was leaked by a Marine - or any one of the other nearly 6'000 people serving on the Nimitz or Princeton - why is it not the full video? Why would Joe Blow serviceman edit the video? Why would or any one else not named `Government/Military Big Shot` - give us a censored video? Why would they edit the video down? It is not like it would weigh less when they put it in their pocket

originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
There are more carrier pilot sighting and videos going back decades. I was on the Lincoln and asked an S2 Intel USMC SGT in the early 90's. He told me then they existed.

Can you please explain how TFT leaked the video.....and why did he edit the video....why leak a degraded copy...?

a reply to: celltypespecific

"I logged on to the top secret computer network *NOTE! I edited the name of the network out due to a suggestion/safety* and did a search of our File Server drive for the most recent modified files. This scanned all users, regardless of rank. Nothing was hidden from me. I especially looked for new files and those that were modified around the time of the "sighting".

I found many videos and powerpoint breifs (navy standard) and written reports and even message traffic that was being passed through our radio division. It was all there. I couldnt believe it at first, but then our ship called in the Air Force because even the captain didnt know what the hell was going on."
`TFT 2/2/2007

Nimitz Aviation Tech Patrick Hughes says one of the carriers Hawkeyes recorded the event and that he took the brick which held the data off the plane and stored it away as usual. He says two men not from the carrier helicoptered in, removed the brick with the data, and took off again.

Apparently they went to the Princeton next, as according to Helicopter Maintenance Training Instructor Ryan Weigelt, two Air Force men choppered on-board and pulled sensor equipment from the cruisers Seahawk helicopters.

a reply to: celltypespecific
"well here is what the video was:

It was taken directly from the cockpit camera of one of our ships fighter pilot jets F-18 I believe but cant be sure. It was in black and white and showed the altitude, the pilots "nickname" and the tempurature and all those little critical stats."
~ TFT 2007

It sounds like he is talking about the FLIR. But what is interesting is that Fravors wingwoman (aka “Source”) said that Fravor (aka OK-2) was pissed that no one was taking him seriously enough to debrief him so he made a copy of his gun camera footage.

"After not receiving an intelligence debriefing, “Source”, OK-1, OK-2, and OK-3 entered the Ready Room, where OK-2 slammed closed and secured both hatchways and began making an electronic copy of the gun tape from his F-18. During this time, “Source” made detailed written notes of the incident on available punter paper and mailed them to her Aunt with the notice ‘keep this because this is important stuff about some real X-files #.’ (Field Comment – “Source” is unaware if copies of the gun tapes still exist but maintains an original copy of her notes and her log book entry.)

According to “Source”, OK-4 and OK-5 (aka follow-up F/A-18) also encountered the same object later the some day. OK-4 and OK-5 were assigned to the follow-on cycle from the U.S.S. Nimitz and obtained brief FLIR footage of the incident. When OK-4 and OK-5 later compared the video, “Source” identified the object affirmatively as being the some one she saw earlier."
~ Dave Beaty/The Nimitz Encounters 2018

So there are at least 3 versions of the Tic Tac on film:
1 Fravors FA-18 gun camera.
2 The follow-up FA-18.
3 The E-2 Hawkeye.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: celltypespecific

"I logged on to the top secret computer network *NOTE! I edited the name of the network out due to a suggestion/safety* and did a search of our File Server drive for the most recent modified files. This scanned all users, regardless of rank. Nothing was hidden from me. I especially looked for new files and those that were modified around the time of the "sighting".

I found many videos and powerpoint breifs (navy standard) and written reports and even message traffic that was being passed through our radio division. It was all there. I couldnt believe it at first, but then our ship called in the Air Force because even the captain didnt know what the hell was going on."
`TFT 2/2/2007

Nimitz Aviation Tech Patrick Hughes says one of the carriers Hawkeyes recorded the event and that he took the brick which held the data off the plane and stored it away as usual. He says two men not from the carrier helicoptered in, removed the brick with the data, and took off again.

Apparently they went to the Princeton next, as according to Helicopter Maintenance Training Instructor Ryan Weigelt, two Air Force men choppered on-board and pulled sensor equipment from the cruisers Seahawk helicopters.

Excellent.
And the below was posted by Chris Mellon today:

However, some former USS Princeton crew members have openly stated that the Aegis radar data collected during the incidents in November 2004 was soon removed from the ship by individuals who arrived aboard the Princeton by helicopter shortly after the ‘“Tic Tac’” encounters occurred. That critical radar data still appears to be missing. Moreover, the deck logs of the USS Princeton for November 2004 are also strangely and inexplicably missing from the National Archives, raising the extraordinary possibility that some secretive USG component is working to conceal UAP incidents and information. The DoD and/or Intelligence oversight committees on Capitol Hill should seek an explanation for these strange occurrences, something easy for them to do. If there is an effort to suppress or conceal UAP data, then we have a situation in which, at a minimum, two USG entities are working at cross-purposes. Whether this is really occurring, and if so on whose authority, are issues that will need to be promptly resolved if DoD is to make serious progress in understanding the UAPs phenomenon.

a reply to: celltypespecific

"removed from the ship..." thanks for reminding me. Here is the long version that maybe there is ANOTHER video of the tic tacs:

Apparently they went to the Princeton next, as according to Helicopter Maintenance Training Instructor Ryan Weigelt, two Air Force men choppered on-board and pulled sensor equipment from the cruisers Seahawk helicopters. This meant the helicopters could not fly and the ship had to sail to and anchor in San Diego to retrieve new sensors. This means the Princeton left the battle group for 2 days during the exercise, something that usually never happens to an aircraft carriers number 1 support vessel. To be clear, the Princeton’s main role is air defense of the carrier Strike Group. Also unusual is that naval ships do not anchor in harbor; they dock at the docks, which were open for docking at this time. To remove sensor equipment must mean that the copters sensors had picked up information on the Tic Tacs that had to be removed from those sensors. Meaning the chopper pilots must have been in the air at some point and recorded Tic Tac data. A highly unusual story that many a pilot or sailor should easily be able to back up or debunk.

“and that next day a group of individuals were "cod'ed" onto the carrier and they retrieved all the tapes. I can confirm they cod'ed onto the ship, but the seizure of tapes came from people that work in those shops.”
- u/anon402 2014 (see link below for more Original info)

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originally posted by: roadgravel
Didn't they see them on instruments?

David Fravor, James Slaight, their wingwoman and the other unnamed backseater ALL saw the Tic Tac with their own eyes. All of the Hawkeye crew saw the Tic Tac with their own eyes.

Here is a high-lite:

“(“Source” [Fravors wingwoman] Comment – “I became nervous when I heard the female controller for the second time, I could sense concern and urgency in her voice and I realized this was not a drill and that this was for real.”)

Both F-18s assumed combat formation enroute to the new location. “Source” and OK-1’s aircraft was approximately .3 NM behind OK-2 and OK-3’s aircraft and both F-18s proceeded East at an altitude of approximately 10,000 to 20,000 feet towards San Clemente Island. “Source” inquired to OK-1 “what do you think it is?” to which OK-1 responded it might be drug runners. “Source” then remarked to OK-1 “bad ass!” (“Source” Comment – as a new pilot, the idea that we were being asked to intercept drug runners was exciting to me. I fully expected to see a low flying Cessna or helicopter coming from Mexico.)…

As “Source” looked down at the ocean from the cockpit, she noticed a small patch of water, approximately 60 feet wide by 80 feet in length that appeared choppy and turbulent amongst a calm sea. The disturbance was unusual in that there was no apparent cause. The area was generally the shape of an oval and appeared to be ‘roiling’. Towards the center of the disturbance, the water appeared lighter color and smooth again as if an unknown object had recently submerged beneath the surface. “Source” opined she thought she was be witnessing a crash, perhaps that of an unidentified aircraft, as she made the mental transition from intercept mission to search and rescue.

Approximately two seconds after noticing the unusual water disturbance, “Source” described witnessing a small, unidentified aerial system (UAS) cross over the turbulent area of water. The unidentified object was elongated, approximately 30 to 40 feet in length, white in color, and described resembling a ‘tic-tac candy mint. The object had no distinguishable control surfaces, was uniformly smooth, with no windows. doors, or lights visible. The object was opaque with a solid, definable edge. The object did not appear to emit any noticeable light or radiation from its surface nor did it have any noticeable exhaust trail…

(“Source” Comment – the UFO turned on Sex and ______ as if it knew or somehow anticipated what they were going to do and even pointed towards them! I was worried for them because whatever this was. Sex and ______ didn’t stand a chance against it! There is no way any aircraft or missile that I know of could conduct maneuvers like what we saw that day.)…

“Source” indicated that the object began to make deliberate changes in its altitude and angle in response to OK-2’s aircraft in a manner that seemed to defy the laws of flight physics. The object instantaneously but in a controlled, intelligent manner ‘tumbled” into nonsensical angles, that made any engagement by the F-18 impossible. ”

- Dave Beaty, TNE 2018 (see link below for more Original info)

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