We are not from this planet, possibly from Mars&Nibiru???

Originally posted by MankoW
Length of the day here on Earth haven't changed so fast, and circadian rhytms for most of the animals are not 25 hours

Simply because there is a mismatch in supposed circadian rythms in humans and the actual day does not mean that humans are from a 25 hour day planet. The rythm does not have to be matched perfectly by anymeans. And the length of the day on earth, regardless of how fast it changes, has indeed changed. The rythm could've been set in a distant ancient ancestor that was around ina longer day, or the rythms could be out of balance simply because they are allways ajusting to changing day lengths. Not to mention that, while the earth rotates about its axis in a 24 hour period, the 'day length', the lenght of day and night cycles, is different in different parts of the world.

esearch hasn't been done on that so often, no one would finance that anyway.

There's been lots of research into circadian rythms. Its practically an entire branch of biology.

I can only say there was crossbreeding with earth humans, to be what we are now.

Well its very nice that you can say it but it'd be better if you could demonstrate it, or show some evidence that supports it.

I didn't say bones should not be able to break, but there should happen only in cases with almost fatal injuries, on the contrary our bones are very hard, an we ARE almost invincible, breaking bricks with bare hand is possible, but falling on your weight is breaking this same bone,

A bone will break when a certain amount of force is applied to it. If i trip and fall down I don't break my bones, but if I bunch a brick wall I almost certainly will. Different things happen to different people.

Now if we are on Mars with lower gravity, half of Earth's even with very nasty falls on ice we couldn't break our bones, acceleration is simply not big enough to provoke it,

This doesn't make sense, because you are saying that the gravity acceleration isn't enough, yet you are also saying that you can punch a brick wall with trememdous force and not break bones. Bones don't know if they are being stressed from hitting a brick wall or from falling onto the ground.

As for the magnetic field I can only say you will not be so confident when it drops in just one more decade or two and it will be problem then.

Confident about what?

You all think these breaking discoveries in electromagnetics are just coincidentaly in late century or two, this is part of the plan to fix it while we have time.

Sure they are.

There are more hypotheses of our origin I just said Earth is not, candidate homeworlds are:

if you think our eyes can stand Sun why is

I think everyone agrees that staring at the sun is damaging to ones eyes. Do you suggest that, on mars, one can stare at the sun without eye damage?

BlackGuardXIII
but I do know about the human body and its 25 hour internal clock.

And you feel this is best explained by comming from mars?

Maybe when fully half of Mars' crust was peeled off to a depth of 3000 feet somethings were lost

When did this happen?

Originally posted by MankoW
breaking bricks with bare hand is possible, but falling on your weight is breaking this same bone, there should be something weird in this,

Not really. It's a question of the angle of force, mostly, and how different bones brace others. In order to break the aforementioned brick, you need to hit it just right. If you do not, you may end up with a broken brick, but you'll surely end up with a broken hand.

Don't believe me? Try this simple experiment. Find a nice durable wall. Hit it straight on, with your wrist straight, impacting on the knuckles where your middle- and ring-fingers join your hand. Don't try to break the wall, just give it a punch about the same strength you'd hit a buddy's shoulder with (a la the old elementary school "two-for-flinching" game).

Now do the same thing again, this time hitting with your wrist bent a little. Feel that twinge? That's your muscles and tendons trying to accomidate for your bones' lack of support. If you tried that at full speed and strength, you'd break your hand and possibly your wrist. This isn't because your wrist evolved to punch Martian stones, though, it's because you're putting stress in a weak direction for your bones.

Something similar happens when we fall. In a controlled fall we can usually ensure that the majority of the stress is in a less-harmful direction. We do this by flexing our knees, or rolling forward to convert the vector of the incoming kinetic energy. In an uncontrolled (or uncontrollable) fall, you cannot do this, and bones end up breaking more often than in a controlled fall.

but I do know about the human body and its 25 hour internal clock. bg13
And you feel this is best explained by comming from mars?
quote: Maybe when fully half of Mars' crust was peeled off to a depth of 3000 feet somethings were lost
When did this happen?
nygdan

I just presented it as information, I seek information, and I dont often find things I feel certain, when it comes to history. I dont have an explanation, but that is one possibility....just that. The timing of Mars hemispheres crust being torn off, dunno, but I believe the estimates are in millions of years.
who knows? I dont discount that at some ancient time Mars housed life that is now here, but nor do I say it is what happened, I don't know.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I just presented it as information, I seek information, and I dont often find things I feel certain, when it comes to history. I dont have an explanation, but that is one possibility....just that. The timing of Mars hemispheres crust being torn off, dunno, but I believe the estimates are in millions of years.
who knows? I dont discount that at some ancient time Mars housed life that is now here, but nor do I say it is what happened, I don't know.

I think the problem that most folks here will have with you is that you're taking an absense of proof against a scenario to mean that the scenario is credible.

Because you don't see anything glaring out that would say "There is no possible chance, no matter how remote, that Homo Sapiens comes from an extraterrestrial origin, unlike most Earth species" you give the theory equal weight with the more common theories of human evolution.

To put it another way, were we to meet on the street, and were I to tell you that "Through extensive study of ancient Atlantean mental disciplines, I have mastered the esoteric art of Quatakenesis. In my right hand I am able to contain a miniturized black hole, but anything else touching it will be instantly destroyed." would you fear to shake my hand?

Of course you wouldn't. You may entertain some curiosity, or get some enjoyment out of playing a game of "what if Whiskey Jack is correct" much like I, and the rest of the skeptics here do with subjects like John Titor, or the Doomsday asteroid hoax last spring, but it won't keep you from shaking my hand for fear of being vaporized.

But because ATS has an inherent anti-mainstream bias, any hypothesis here that includes abuse of the current scientific establishment automatically gains credibility. Please help us reject this tendency, please?

A more useful way to have carried on this discussion would be something like the following:

"Assume, for the sake of argument, that humans did not evolve on the Earth. We have the following items that seem to be anomalous, so what can they tell us about where humans did evolve?"

This can accomplish two things. First, it'll cut down on the dogpiling that this thread (justifiably) generated. If people know your supposition is just that, and not some firmly held belief, they're often more willing to entertain the "what if scenario" here.
Second, it will let the more thoroughly educated here flex their skills a bit, which is always informative. The more we're exposed to these things, the more often we see them and the better we understand them, the more ability we'll have to evaluate a true anomaly when it appears.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
The timing of Mars hemispheres crust being torn off

My question tho is, why think the crust of mars was torn off in the first place? Or are you just 'throwing it out there' ?

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
The timing of Mars hemispheres crust being torn off

My question tho is, why think the crust of mars was torn off in the first place? Or are you just 'throwing it out there' ?

Of course I didn't just make it up. Grab a textbook on it, if I was able to find more than one reference to the near planet-splitting meteor strikes that Mars sustained, why can't you? Just find a Nat'l Geo. map of Mars and look at it. There are three immense impact craters, so devestating that the opposite side of the planet from them is bulging out. If you really want to call me a liar, at least base it on something. If you can't, then my word and your word are equally as credible, imho.
And if all readers feel your accusations of misinformation are fair and none of them have the interest in the subject to do what you did not do and I did....namely have a look, then great. I have no desire to do research for your benefit when your initial position is an a baseless, antagonistic accusation. If you don't believe me, good for you. I know what I read.
And I know what you didn't read. Until anyone else looks for themselves, they are perfectly able to say whatever they please about the subject. It is a luxury I no longer share.

this is it:
www.lambdoma.com...

if you carefuly watch this and normal brain wave frequency is then beta:
14 Hz guess what
Little exact numbers easy to calculate c light speed in vacuum or air
6800km as diameter of Mars
c/(d Pi)=300000/6800*3.14 = 14.04Hz

let's see this alpha state of brain
c/(d Erth Pi)=300000/12600*3.14= 7.09Hz

This is how many times light or brain wave goes around the planet, and it is similar to radio transmission, if you are on Earthbest frequency is 7Hz, if you are on Mars BEST frequency for brain is 14Hz, and what a coincidence this is normal brain activity betha state.
Are we surprised?? No.

If we do this for Moon diameter we get
300000/3,476 km *3.14= 27.47 Hz this would be Moon wave frequency this goes in no zone of brain activity or high beta, that is not researched anyhow.

That is easy to conclude that on Mars we could be easily having paranormal abilities, because our brain is tuned to planet size.
Alpha state which is often realated to paranormal abilities are no wonder match for Earth planet size.

I have more proof and will give them when research is done.

the Earth's daylight sky brightness is about 8000 cd/m².
Solar flux AT THE TOP OF Earth’s atmosphere is approximately 1,370 watts of power per square meter of area W/m2.


www.inchem.org...

this is human eye sensitivity
www.inchem.org...

this hows that human eye is not same as (other) Earth animals

I will quote this from www.starhop.com...
Consideration of relative intensity is not limited to comparisons with Earth. For example, we can observe that Mars, being twice the distance from the sun as Venus, experiences only one-fourth the solar intensity of Venus. And Neptune, being 20 times farther from the sun than Mars, receives about 1/400 th the sunlight intensity of the closer planet. Having astronomical distances presented as they are in the student activity
sheet makes these sorts of comparisons easy, for it is necessary only to square the ratios of the distances.
That is science.
On Mars Daylight brightness is few times smaller, because it goes down with radius square, and it can not damage eye even if you look at the direction where Sun is.
Planet Mean Distance from Sun (AU)
Relative Solar Intensity
Mercury 0.387 6.68
Venus 0.723 1.913
Earth 1.000 1.000
Mars 1.524 0.431
Jupiter 5.203 0.0369
Saturn 9.539 0.0110
Uranus 19.189 0.00272
Neptune 30.060 0.00111
Pluto 39.439 0.00064

The average solar intensity at the orbit of Mars is 590 W/m2, so it is less then half on Earth and it is reasonable to think you can not damage eyes looking in Sun direction.

MankoW - you will need to put out a better theory than this to convince people that we are from elsewhere.

For the record - I believe we are but noit for the reasons you state..

I can't believe, how much proof you people want when everything is quiet simple and only that way possible.
We really have 25 hours circadian rhytm and really have 14 Hz brain waves AND if that is not related to Mars then what is, Mars did have flowing water in the past and sure had atmosphere, and seasonal changing and polar caps etc.
But I will find more proof, in fact I have but have to do preliminary research.
Besides, why do you laugh at bone breaking thesis when it is truth, ask doctors how many people break bones, falling on the ground without other accidental source of injury, only gravity!
Gravity on Mars is twice weaker so you can't break bones when you trip and fall, similar to children, they don't break bones to often because their height of mass centre is shorter and this is it. Walking on two legs is easy only on Mars.
There is no better explanation. Our body is more fit to Mars then Earth atributes. Why do people with lung disease get sicker when they are in the horizontal position, gravity is too strong. Why do people get open wounds when in bed paralised etc, because of gravity is too strong here.
Our all internal organs suffer and lifespan is shorter also, this can not be proved till now, because we haven't been on Mars last couple of thousands of years.

There are groups of people who belive in this sort of thing. I forget their name but theres a group based in America who belive that we're not from here and blah blah blah... apparently according to some, people with blonde hair and blue eyes have a natural vibrational rythm with MARS and not earth... supposedly why Hitler had a thing with the Arian Race and what not.

I can't remember the name of the group in the US though... they've built large pyramids and wear egyptian clothing about the place, their leader is on child porn charges but its all built on a lie..

-does a search-

damn it I can't remember the name... they've actually built large black and gold pyramids somewhere in the US.

Originally posted by An Entity


damn it I can't remember the name... they've actually built large black and gold pyramids somewhere in the US.

You are thinking of the luxor...yeah

Originally posted by MankoW
I First and main proof is bone breaking, if we are made for this planet there is no way we could break a bone when we fall on ice or snow, we should be able too jump higher, and not to hurt ankle. All sort od injuries we have just because gravity is too strong on this planet. There is nothing bad in feeling heavy, it is for the gravity too strong. Yes, also bone diseases and pain, spinal pain, discus hernia, that shouldn't happen if gravity is smaller.

Why? I bet a giraffe would sure as heck break something if one were to slip and fall on ice or snow. Thing is - they just DON'T walk on ice or snow. Humans walk places we are not physiologically adapted to. Most Spinal pain could probably be atributed to poor ergonomics or trying to lift things/do things improperly. Bone dieases, disc hernias - these would be affecting just about the entire human population of the planet if it were due Gravity. I'm 36 years old, older than the average life expectancy of most earlier humans... no bone diseases or disc hernias here.

Originally posted by MankoW
II I bet all of you has this problem from time to time, just having to have one more hour a day, and everything would be just fine, I am sure Earth has been manipulated somehow to prolong duration of day, but it was impossible to make it longer, because all plants and animals here would suffer.

Not sure what you are saying here - how is it possible to 'somehow prolong the duration of the day' without making it longer? As for the 25 hour internal clock - well that is a bit of a mystery. However we're not alone, it seems most mammals have similar circadian rythms to our own.

www.madsci.org...

Originally posted by MankoW
III If we look directly at the Sun we can damage eyes, that is not logical if we were adapted to this planet. Also UV rays making more damage to our eye system, in fact we all feel just right when sun is lower and during cloudy days, no kidding, all northern countries are more industrial developed. it is because of that reason, heat is good for reptilians only. (there was one movie with Charlie Sheen about that

)

If we hold our heads underwater we can't breathe... is that also evidence that we aren't adapted to life here? Personally, I feel just fun on sunny days without a cloud in the sky, those are the best days to be outside IMHO, not sure what you are basing the 'We all feel...' part of III on, could you elaborate? Also, I would consider the, for example, the Egyptian and Indus Valley civs much more advanced than anything you might find in the more northern latitudes during their respective timeframes.

Originally posted by MankoW
IV If there wasn't strong XXstrong magnetic field Sun radiation would kill us, that couldn't happen if planet is on greater distance from Sun..]

Mars is farther away than the earth is from the sun, yet experiences much higher radiation than we do. Data from Mars Odyssey indicates that an astronaut on 3 year mission might receive a radiation dose approaching the lifetime limits set by NASA.

www.space.com...


An interesting idea but I'm afraid you would need some more concrete info/evidence before you would be able to convince me.

[edit on 26-3-2005 by Donner]

Originally posted by Donner
Also, I would consider the, for example, the Egyptian and Indus Valley civs much more advanced than anything you might find in the more northern latitudes during their respective timeframes.

[edit on 26-3-2005 by Donner]

Nice, and 100% true point!

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Of course I didn't just make it up. Grab a textbook on it, if I was able to find more than one reference to the near planet-splitting meteor strikes that Mars sustained, why can't you?

You stated that the crust was peeled off. THat is not what is said to happen in the major impacts. Of course I am familiar with the major impacts that occured in the formative period of the solar system. You are stating that there was an advanced civilization that lived on mars when this happened? This was billions of years ago.

mankow
this hows that human eye is not same as (other) Earth animals

Any animal is going to have eye damage if it stares at the sun.

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
Of course I didn't just make it up. Grab a textbook on it, if I was able to find more than one reference to the near planet-splitting meteor strikes that Mars sustained, why can't you?

You stated that the crust was peeled off. THat is not what is said to happen in the major impacts. Of course I am familiar with the major impacts that occured in the formative period of the solar system. You are stating that there was an advanced civilization that lived on mars when 'this happened? This was billions of years ago.

"All that is certain is that at some point in its history the planet was afflicted by a cataclysm of almost unimaginable proportions. " geologist Ronald Greely.

'The highland and lowland occupy approx. a hemisphere each. The southern highlands stand two kilometers above datum, while the northern lowlands lie at least one kilometer below datum.' Chris O'Kane

It is obvious how this planet affects our common sense from great amount of how is hard to understand each other. Yes probably it is right that radiation on Mars is bigger now, but what I was talking about is solar flux which is some 40% of Earth and Earth top orbit.
Some 10 to 100 km of atmosphere reduces a lot these hazards and of course Earth magnetic field.
On Mars when we were living atmosphere was in fact more dense and magnetic field stronger because it has tendency to drop with time passing, which is measured even in Earth conditions, so you didn't proved my theory is wrong you were talking about different aspects of Sun radiation.
Yes if you want you can find Earth Atmesphere is losing its molecules at constant rate and this is proven as a undiscussable fact.

here it is alot links of this
www.space.com...
"...Mars probably had a magnetic field 3.5 billion years ago, Lundin said, but it didn't stick. Thereafter, while the atmosphere was still presumably dense -- perhaps 10 times thicker than today -- the loss rate for water and other substances would have been perhaps 100 times higher than it is now, Lundin said....."
"....and the exosphere (from 300 mi and gradually dissipating)." Earth's atmosphere
from Brittanica
www.astro.umn.edu...

"Ways to lose atmospheric gas:
condensation – gas turns into liquids or ices on the surface when cooled
chemical reactions – gas is bound into surface rocks or liquids
stripping – gas is knocked out of the upper atmosphere by Solar wind particles
impacts – a comet/asteroid collision with a planet can blast atmospheric gas into space
thermal escape – lightweight gas molecules are lost to space when they achieve escape velocity
gas is lost forever!"

Also this brain wave spectral classes alpha and betta are in some weird reason exact as resonant wave for Mars and Earth, only Mars 14Hz is our normal state of mind, I was trying to point we would be a lot easier to be reasonble there then here, this alpha state is just modification of brain wave patern to fit Earth conditions, this has nothing with religious belief.

And for the civilizations in Egypt etc, who proves it was human civilization?
Isn't it weird these civilizations are always at state of emergency reseaching and proving how they weren't from this planet, but more exactly they were not of this race equ human race. Probably it was Atlantius Mu related civies. That explains everything when we came on Earth. Exactly about girafes, they will not walk on ice or snow because they know it will hurt them, we also know, but our instincts doesn't know of that because our older parts of brain are Martian brains and they think still gravity is half of the Earth so we fall on ice and snow and subsequently break those "fragile bones". Bones are not fragile, we are just not adapted to this planet.

Increase in Solar Flux has been measured, too.

Sun is gradually brightening also so hard time is just to come for our eyes.
The Greenhouse Effect is responsible for making the Earth about 35K warmer than it would be if there it had no atmosphere. (or this kind of atmosphere)

So temperature is easy to control with controling the greenhouse effect, anyway who measured temperatures in ancient Egypt when greenhouse effect was less affecting climate. All you give against my theory are harder to prove evidence then mine.
I didn't want to make this long post, but some people don't have time to visit links.

MackoW how do you explain the fossil records that can be used to trace back mans evolution on this planet?

Well, first we come up with this we are not from this planet, second someone inteligent was on this planet, most logical are Atlantis and Lemuria. So it is explainable why thay disapear when we came.
There are many evidence for those ancient civies existed, but interesting nothing left from them.
This also makes sense, but natural phenomenon is a hoax to cover real truth they were eradicated by extraterestrial force, and we are descendents of that force, Martian it seems. Yes Nubiru is also connected if we can imagine that large object, with eXcentric orbit what if that object goes from this system to other and we imagine same planet in other system, for example Alpha Centauri or Sirius, so that planets can be made to come close from time to time and that is the cheap way to exchange resources without almost any fuel needed you just set few orbits and then in eccentric orbits move trade goods human resources soldiers slaves etc and then come back here in inner system and then be angry when see how things have gone here.
I remember read how that was more then one extinct level event in Earth history so that can be took as arule.
Earth life forms fossile just are other branch of development, similar to man but not the same, and the main steps which are not explainable are
mining cities writing which came at the same time all around the world, evolution is more logical from one source, but we just have this in one moment of history, now tell me I am wrong and so on.
There are plenty of links about these gathering resources in old ages but nothing left, hmmm.
What hapened to Maya gold??? It disapeared. With Nubiru, nad guess what it is coming again.

evolution proves you false. There ise a nearly %100 definitive evidence path of evolution for humans and previous humans were to dumb for space travel.