The Drake Equation Fallacy

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Barcs
You just said that intelligence only comes from intelligence. Oh, but wait special rules apply to that when it comes to God

God always existed. This is what it means to be the only unbegotten God - that which was not created, but instead is the Apex Creator. Just because you can't understand this concept does not make it wrong. You're appealing to complexity.

God is the unbegotten source cause of all intelligence. From this Intelligence, we intelligent beings came forth manifest in the image of God - the material vessel to harbor this Intelligent Spirit.

Any proof?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Noinden

There is far more scientific evidence for Jesus Christ than there is
life on other planets capable of spanning light years only to crash
into our planet.

They don't need to be able to crash on our planet to be able to exist.

The universe is unimaginably vast, and as far as we can tell, life finds a way to take advantage of chemistry's ability to output energy through reactions. It seems likely (albeit, not yet proven) that life has found a way to do this elsewhere in the universe, and that it might be common enough that given the sheer numbers involved, some of that life has evolved intelligence. That is, it seems more likely and has more evidence supporting it than does the idea of a supreme deity.

I'm not saying it disproves the deity, but just that there is more evidence supporting the idea of life in the universe that came to exist without the need for a supreme deity.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I appreciate your candure but I must disagree. It does not seem more
likely not even close. Life can not come from non life in natural reality.
We have never seen it happen we are never going to see it happen. It's
pure fantasy, science fi, pseudo science. What is so much more believable
about suggesting a miracle can happen without a miracle worker? Where
is the math for that retarded shlt? It's so funny to have this conversation
with anyone who believes it.

You're right it doesn't disprove Creation and it never will. It's like we can
see some real science moving forward doing a perfect job explaining the
pre existing components that make life possible. Good job perfect really.
But then it tries to go further and explain how life began. And realizing
this isn't gonna happen. All of a sudden science completely flips the f#@%
out and moves forward any way screaming THERE IS NO MIRACLE WORKER!!!
oNLY MIRACLES!

lmao Then I give science a hug and say it's okay it's okay you have done a
super job. Now go home and get some rest.

But it doesn't end there cause now everyone who wants to exclude a Creator
walks off wobble headed say'n ' humm humm that's right I knew God didn't
exist. lol

So now we have a all the haters running around say'n nuh uh science says
this.

And it's all total bull# to any normal human being. It's just really
stupid beyond the point of not even requiring a face palm meme.

a reply to: carsforkids

The really interesting part happens when us science types ask the reasonable question: "who made god" and suddenly there's all these superpowers in the equation and the debate starts sounding like a DC comics conversation about who could beat who in a fight. And all we wanted was a verifiable response that rests on concrete data, a set of facts anyone can reproduce with the appropriate equipment regardless of beliefs. But that just isn't happening here. We can't assume these supernatural properties exist, we can't assume these dimensions are possible, we can't assume that a cosmic creature is capable of any of these abilities. It's all just begging for skepticism to be suspended in favor of hypotheticals until hypothesis magically becomes fact but... Science. 👏 Doesn't. 👏
Do. 👏 That. 👏

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

I appreciate your candure but I must disagree. It does not seem more
likely not even close. Life can not come from non life in natural reality.
We have never seen it happen we are never going to see it happen. It's
pure fantasy, science fi, pseudo science. What is so much more believable
about suggesting a miracle can happen without a miracle worker? Where
is the math for that retarded shlt? It's so funny to have this conversation
with anyone who believes it.

You're right it doesn't disprove Creation and it never will. It's like we can
see some real science moving forward doing a perfect job explaining the
pre existing components that make life possible. Good job perfect really.
But then it tries to go further and explain how life began. And realizing
this isn't gonna happen. All of a sudden science completely flips the f#@%
out and moves forward any way screaming THERE IS NO MIRACLE WORKER!!!
oNLY MIRACLES!

lmao Then I give science a hug and say it's okay it's okay you have done a
super job. Now go home and get some rest.

But it doesn't end there cause now everyone who wants to exclude a Creator
walks off wobble headed say'n ' humm humm that's right I knew God didn't
exist. lol

So now we have a all the haters running around say'n nuh uh science says
this.

And it's all total bull# to any normal human being. It's just really
stupid beyond the point of not even requiring a face palm meme.

Your faith in God is based on a book written by primitive humans. Hence the reason God is ok about killing and sacrificing children. Thats not God, that is what people were like back then. Primitive people will invent a ptimitive God.

But the sad part about the, is you are ok with worshiping a God that commands the death of innocent people and children! You are blind to your faith, that much is certain!

But answer comes to mind. How do you know you are practicing the true religon, out of all the religons out there, where is the evidence that yours is the true religion?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Barcs

Stating a fact is not an insult.

You're doing it again and now I am very insulted. So now I am done
discussing this topic with you.

I figured if I complained about your lil argument from insults you'd
choose to come back and double down on the same insult. So very
typically predictable. Arguing with atheists is like arguing with cookie
cutter clones. Never anything new to bring to the table just the same
ol tired boring non factual X completely impossible odds of ever
bringing anything to life .

Because hello life is a miracle. And a great many scientists that aren't
atheists know that. Even you can see that science will never do that.
Your hope is in vein. As long as science claims it's still looking the
atheist can keep right on believing the lie. That's what is really going
on isn't Barcs?

I don't care if you insult me are you joking!

I don't even need a valid argument against this pseudo science Barcs!
Everyone that doesn't hate God agrees. Atheists are only lying to
themselves.

That is some sniveling whiny butthurt BS right there. You can't address a single point in any of the posts and just keep the fallacies coming. LOL @ "But, life is a miracle, I SWEAR!!!" Just stop with the pretentious nonsense and finger waving. There is no lie for atheists to believe, atheist merely disbelieve 1 particular lie and you know which one I'm talking about. You have failed to make a coherent argument this entire time, your logic is that of a 5 year old. I posted no pseudo-science, and you can't hate something you don't believe exists. Your lies are getting pathetically desperate.

And if you're an atheist in all fairness you would be whining from the moist intolerant view the world has ever known.

LOL! That is hilariously ironic.

"Atheism is an attempt to live without Gods judgement"

More incessant preaching. If god doesn't exist, it's simply the default position and you clowns don't grasp this despite fighting against atheism and science on this board for years, just repeating the same ol' tireless nonsense and projecting your own insecurities onto others. Atheism is not believing your claim that god exists. It's never been demonstrated. That's a YOU problem, not a problem with atheists. Get better arguments, especially ones that actually use logic, instead of finger waving and projecting faith as fact.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Barcs
You just said that intelligence only comes from intelligence. Oh, but wait special rules apply to that when it comes to God

God always existed. This is what it means to be the only unbegotten God - that which was not created, but instead is the Apex Creator. Just because you can't understand this concept does not make it wrong. You're appealing to complexity.

God is the unbegotten source cause of all intelligence. From this Intelligence, we intelligent beings came forth manifest in the image of God - the material vessel to harbor this Intelligent Spirit.

LMFAO @ special pleading immediately right of the bat AGAIN! Just because you believe something and state it here, does not make it true. You said that intelligence only comes from intelligence, yet in the case of god, it's JUST THERE. How do you not see the obvious double standard? Like seriously, who is paying you to post this crap. You know it's not an argument.

a reply to: TzarChasm

The really interesting part happens when us science types ask the reasonable question: "who made god" and suddenly there's all these superpowers in the equation and the debate starts sounding like a DC comics conversation about who could beat who in a fight. And all we wanted was a verifiable response that rests on concrete data, a set of facts anyone can reproduce with the appropriate equipment regardless of beliefs. But that just isn't happening here. We can't assume these supernatural properties exist, we can't assume these dimensions are possible, we can't assume that a cosmic creature is capable of any of these abilities. It's all just begging for skepticism to be suspended in favor of hypotheticals until hypothesis magically becomes fact but... Science. 👏 Doesn't. 👏
Do. 👏 That. 👏

edit on 11-11-2019 by TzarChasm because:

Another good retort. Fair enough. But as I see it the causeless cause method
of answering the question "who made God?" is already answered before science
was even a twinkling in humanity's eye. According to scripture God explains.
I am that I am. It wouldn't be absurd to suggest that is the same as saying he
is the causeless cause.

But even before all that "you science types" having a question? I thought you
were the ones who were supposed to figure that out with your superior big
brains? And I hope the hell science understands the question has no baring
at all on the existence of a supreme being. I don't believe you do want a
verifiable response because science hasn't set about to find one.

I know, science doesn't endeavor a supreme being. Well then maybe you
"Science types" shouldn't ask a question that already has a preemptive
answer. From thousands of years ago. Written by desert goat herders or
whatever.

Science provides nothing to cast doubt on the Bible but has confirmed
it many times. So I fail to see where there's a problem. You may need
more proof that God exists. I don't in anyway and it would take
something far more sensible than what is currently offered for me to
consider anything else.

But that isn't impossible either. My mind isn't closed just convinced that
science will never breathe life into anything. It hasn't been done, it will
never be done. And I have plenty of reason to believe the pre existing info
that comes after IN THE BEGINNING.

a reply to: carsforkids

How can he be a loving, intelligent, supreme being when he calls on his followers to massacre innocent men, women and children?

You talk about sins, but what sins do small children have to justify them being massacred by a God who supposedly loves them! Whst sort of God would do that? And what sort of human being would be ok with that?

You cherry pick the bible! That is what you do. You do not think about the violent, brutal stuff, I guess that way you can pretend it never happend, and carry on preaching your BS!

a reply to: Barcs

Dude settle down you're gonna have a heart attack and confirm for
yourself everything I'm telling you is true. And we'll still be here
arguing about it. If science says miracles happen it's okay with me.
You're golden.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

The really interesting part happens when us science types ask the reasonable question: "who made god" and suddenly there's all these superpowers in the equation and the debate starts sounding like a DC comics conversation about who could beat who in a fight. And all we wanted was a verifiable response that rests on concrete data, a set of facts anyone can reproduce with the appropriate equipment regardless of beliefs. But that just isn't happening here. We can't assume these supernatural properties exist, we can't assume these dimensions are possible, we can't assume that a cosmic creature is capable of any of these abilities. It's all just begging for skepticism to be suspended in favor of hypotheticals until hypothesis magically becomes fact but... Science. 👏 Doesn't. 👏
Do. 👏 That. 👏

edit on 11-11-2019 by TzarChasm because:

Another good retort. Fair enough. But as I see it the causeless cause method
of answering the question "who made God?" is already answered before science
was even a twinkling in humanity's eye. According to scripture God explains.
I am that I am. It wouldn't be absurd to suggest that is the same as saying he
is the causeless cause.

But even before all that "you science types" having a question? I thought you
were the ones who were supposed to figure that out with your superior big
brains? And I hope the hell science understands the question has no baring
at all on the existence of a supreme being. I don't believe you do want a
verifiable response because science hasn't set about to find one.

I know, science doesn't endeavor a supreme being. Well then maybe you
"Science types" shouldn't ask a question that already has a preemptive
answer. From thousands of years ago. Written by desert goat herders or
whatever.

Science provides nothing to cast doubt on the Bible but has confirmed
it many times. So I fail to see where there's a problem. You may need
more proof that God exists. I don't in anyway and it would take
something far more sensible than what is currently offered for me to
consider anything else.

But that isn't impossible either. My mind isn't closed just convinced that
science will never breathe life into anything. It hasn't been done, it will
never be done. And I have plenty of reason to believe the pre existing info
that comes after IN THE BEGINNING.

You really should have stopped after "fair enough" there was no point in continuing to confirm what I already said. But your objections are noted.

a reply to: Barcs

How do you not see the obvious double standard? Like seriously, who is paying you to post this crap. You know it's not an argument.

Lol we don't see a double standard because you wish one was there. Again so
you hopefully give up your hopeless redundant point. We simply point to an
outside source for emergence that by the way you can not show doesn't fit
perfectly. Especially when what you offer in argument is impossible.
Life only comes from life in this natural reality. You talk about a double
standard?

Well science doesn't deal with the paranormal? Then it can't offer life
just popping up out of nowhere when even the number of arguments
against it would fill the gawd damn universe.

What a joke. Argue all you want you've already lost by a landslide.
Because if science really had a plausible answer? It should be one
that leaves me with out an argument.

Has science done that? Not even close.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You really should have stopped after "fair enough" there was no point in continuing to confirm what I already said. But your objections are noted.
edit on 11-11-2019 by TzarChasm because: (no reason given)

Yeah I won't argue that because it did cross my mind.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Barcs

How do you not see the obvious double standard? Like seriously, who is paying you to post this crap. You know it's not an argument.

Lol we don't see a double standard because you wish one was there. Again so
you hopefully give up your hopeless redundant point. We simply point to an
outside source for emergence that by the way you can not show doesn't fit
perfectly. Especially when what you offer in argument is impossible.
Life only comes from life in this natural reality. You talk about a double
standard?

Well science doesn't deal with the paranormal? Then it can't offer life
just popping up out of nowhere when even the number of arguments
against it would fill the gawd damn universe.

What a joke. Argue all you want you've already lost by a landslide.
Because if science really had a plausible answer? It should be one
that leaves me with out an argument.

Has science done that? Not even close.

You talk so much rubbish, it's embarressing! You talk about science not having a clue! Please tell me, why does you book not talk about micro organisms? Why does you book not talk about dinosaurs? Why does your book not talk about the billions of galaxies out there being born and destroyed?

Simple answer! Back then, man did not know about these things! When they looked up to the sky, all they saw was stars! They do not talk about dinosaurs in the bible becsuse man did not know about dinosaurs. They did not talk about micro organisms in the bible because man did not know what they were!

Science tells else the universe was not made in 6 days. Science tells us that there are millions of galaxies out there, hosting trillions of planets. Science tell us it takes billions of years for these systems to form.

So, the bible tells us that it is in fact made up by humans who did not understand the planet and the universe!

You have given no evidence, and you still ignore posts and chat the same BS without backing anything up!

a reply to: Jay-morris

lol

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

lol

Yeah that's all you can do lol You cannot reply with a intelligent post to back up your claims. You talk about how God it great! Yeah, a God who is happy with smashing children against rocks and massacring innocent people!

Answer me this. Do you believe that's justified? Does that sound like a God that loves everyone?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

They do not talk about dinosaurs in the bible becsuse man did not know about dinosaurs.

Sure they did, but they called them "Jesus Horses"

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Jay-morris

They do not talk about dinosaurs in the bible becsuse man did not know about dinosaurs.

Sure they did, but they called them "Jesus Horses"

LOL

a reply to: carsforkids

Please explain this passage to me

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT

a reply to: Jay-morris

Please explain this passage to me

All you have to do is ask honorably and have some dignity.
At your request

“ you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)

This passage proves nothing because you have taken it way out of context.

First of all from the Old Testament:

“Whoever kidnaps someone, either to sell him or to keep him as a slave is to be put to death.” – Exodus 21:16

From the new testament:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female – for all of you are one in Christ Jesus. –Galatians 3:28

Why do you cherry pick the Bible verse you can take out of context and
accuse me of cherry picking and dishonesty? Hello pot meet the liberal
kettle! Looks like I have to take another toy away from you because you
refuse to play fair. Lets give your toy some context.


“If any Israelites living near you become SO POOR that THEY SELL THEMSELVES to you as a slave, you shall not make them do the work of a slave. They shall stay with you as hired workers and serve you until the next Year of Restoration.” – Leviticus 25:39-40

Clearly this was God having issue with poverty. The poor who could not
provide for themselves were the responsibility of the well off. They could
be bought back by a relative or work off what was paid for them and be free.

It was just an alternative to starving to death.

Believe me I've been around long enough to know you have no argument.