Nasa lies about Mars atmosphere.Helicopter to fly in Mars" 0.6Percent of earths atmosphere"

a reply to: firerescue


You didnt take into account the real mars atmospheric pressure. It is 100-300 Mbar (who knows, could be even higher). 6mbar is a lie. Thats why you dont need any pressure suit.

Calculations:

43000 feet (on earth) (13.1km) = 148mbar
50000 feet (on earth) (15.2km) = 116 mbar
63000 feet (on earth) (19.2km) = 70 mbar

30000 feet (on earth) (9km) = 300mbar

So 100-300mbar on Mars would equal to: 9-15Km (30000 - 49000 feet) on earth.

On mars you have between 100-300 mbar on surface. I think its over 150mbar all the times. Could be 300 Mbars. They probably have already dropped several pressure (mars weather gathering sensor) sensors over the planet which communicate with radio signals so they have somekinda coverage of over and under pressures and other storms. There are ofcourse secret satellites already going over Mars for radio communication and maybe an early warning sand storm satellite.maybe 2 or 3 satellites at least. Not too many so they dont get caught.

So yea they can survive easily. It would be probably a bit tough, you know, giong outside, would be like being on a mountain always. But you dont need any bulky suits. Heres a picture I made of a REAL Mars suit.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth
a reply to: Arbitrageur

If my theory and calculations are correct and Mars has 100-300mbar pressure, you dont need a space suit.
You dont need a space suit to walk on mars, neither on Mount everest. Its 300 mbar on mount everest.
You only need warm clothes and oxygen.

So how did NASA get the Russians, the Europeans, the Japanese, the Indians, and other international players, to agree to promote the same lie for half a century, but YOU saw through it?

Now thats an easy question.
You just have to open your eyes.


Look at the logo. They are all in on the plot. At least to a degree. Usa knows most, its probably in a pact with Esa due the long friendly history that Usa and Europe has. Others arent spilling the beans to the world because they too know something and thats the deal. No one speaks too much. I think they didn't advertise Christopher Columbus trip either when he went to his voyage. Not many knew about it. Mars is quite similar now. Its an unknown country, oneday Mars is probably be just a trip away.

But geopolitically we are in a moving situation and stuff dont usually go according to plans so, if theres 7 billion people and maybe few hundred are now on Mars, you think they will tell about it? No. The folks there (in mars) are quite brave and so on, probably former test pilots and similar, went there, not sure they can come back. So its quite brave of them. (and yes, I do believe theres people on Mars already).

But about the secrecy, did you know the Manhattan project had tens of thousands of people total building the 2 bombs. There even was a secret town which didn officially exist where the people lived.
www.youtube.com...

Only maybe under 100 people knew the whole picture. You would have one person press a button and look at a meter and that was his days work. The workers didnt even know they had built the nuke, even after it had detonated in Japan.

So secrets are easy to keep if you know how to be.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Infamy! Infamy!
They've all got it in for me.
Just stop it.
Honestly.
Jeez fella!

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

And did you know that there were hundreds of leaks of information from the Manhattan Project?

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

What physically would allow for a thicker Martian atmosphere. And why is your misconceptions concerning the Martian atmosphere not reflected in the radiation levels at its surface?

How bad is the radiation on Mars?

m.phys.org...

As a result, over the course of the next 500 million years, Mars atmosphere was slowly stripped away by solar wind. Between the loss of its magnetic field and its atmosphere, the surface of Mars is exposed to much higher levels of radiation than Earth.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Also. If mars had a thicker atmosphere, it would have higher surface temperatures.

a reply to: Zaphod58

You have to calculate will the leaks happen in too big numebrs before, will Japanese know about it and counter. They didnt't so what leaks happened didn't matter.

And arent there leaks now. This chopper news leaked the whole existense of a thicker mars atmosphere.

And what is this:


Thats Mars moon Phobos. Its a monolith on it. You think they will just let anyone who gets there first, get there first? No. They are trying to get there as we speak, unless they have already gotten there.
Theres a huge race going on. The apathetic scientists and others you see on tv is all a psyop to make the enemy think "the secret space folks" are lazy and not doing anything.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Space cadet.
Please just give it up.
Honestly.
Just stop it.
Bored now.
😪😔😰

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

It doesn't matter if Japan found out or not. The point is that there were leaks all over the place. Funny how the Manhattan Project is proof of secrets being kept, until it's pointed out that it wasn't even close to secure, then suddenly those leaks don't matter.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Also:
I read in the following book: "Richard B Sauder - UNDERGROUND BASES & TUNNELS: What is the Government Trying to Hide?"

It has the following info:





Thats the 1980s.

They already probably are...mining the Phobos moon of Mars. Its hollow according to some estimates. Probably drilled by earlier humans if they existed. I wonder whats inside of that.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Small leaks dont matter. If a conspiroid factist is screaming in the internet about some hair he saw in a photo of mars rover, I dont think anyone cares. Sadly.Because I think every human could be the next einstein so imagine 7 billion einsteins. People just dont wanna be that so we arent.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Over 1500 investigations is past "small leaks". There were churches preaching about the power of Uranium 235 in 1943. There was a pamphlet found in Chicago that talked about it. But now, they're so good there's not one leak and zero evidence of the launches that would be required to get equipment to Mars.

I don't care about internet conspiracy theorists. The Manhattan Project leaks were from the actual people working in the program. Most were inadvertent caused by mishandling of classified information. Funny they've got that perfect now in NASA but agencies like the NSA, that exist to keep secrets can't stop people from mishandling information.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

What physically would allow for a thicker Martian atmosphere. And why is your misconceptions concerning the Martian atmosphere not reflected in the radiation levels at its surface?

How bad is the radiation on Mars?

m.phys.org...

As a result, over the course of the next 500 million years, Mars atmosphere was slowly stripped away by solar wind. Between the loss of its magnetic field and its atmosphere, the surface of Mars is exposed to much higher levels of radiation than Earth.

Hi

Mars has a higher magnetic core than told. There is not so much radiation as claimed.
Im drawing pictures now, I come back in 30min-60min and have the info for you.

a reply to: neutronflux

Earth 2.4msv. Some sources say upto 6
2.4 millisieverts. Thats what we consider safe for humans, thats where we live.
We get about 2.4mSv per year.
Of that 2.4 mSv only about 10% is from space. Rest is inhaled radiation and other sources on earth.

So Space is only 0.24 mSv on earth.

We could probably take 10 times 2.4mSv and still go to high life expectancy. There are charts of this, whats safe whats not.

On Mars, if you are afraid of radiation, you can either:
-Shield your buildings.
-Have air purifiers in the buildings (against air born radiation to lower total radiation)
-And because the atmosphere is thicker than nasa told, you dont need a full vacuum suit, you can put the extra weight instead of radiation protection.
-go out only at night

Problem solved. Ofcourse we can go further into these fancy mathematical thigs.


edit:
mathematical error here, im editing

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

What does that have to do with,
One, you cannot explain why mars would physical have a thicker atmosphere than what is backed by the scientific community.

Two, that the radiation levels on the Martian surface match with the reported atmospheric density.

Three, the temperatures at the Martian surface coincide with the reported atmosphere density.

As covered before, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere actually turns to ice at the poles.

In winter however, the areal extent of the cap changes dramatically with the formation of the seasonal polar cap. The seasonal cap forms when carbon dioxide and water vapour in the atmosphere condense onto the martian surface as frost. Depending on latitude, this frost layer can be up to a metre thick—problematic for surface missions at high latitudes. The northern seasonal cap extends as far south as ~53°N latitude.

medium.com...@tanyaofmars/what-is-winter-like-on-mars-c546264ef27

The thin atmosphere is one reason for many of the failed mars landings

m.phys.org...

The incredible challenge of landing heavy payloads on Mars

It's too bad Mars is such an interesting place, because it's actually one of the most difficult places to visit in the solar system, especially if you want to bring along a lot of luggage. That planet is a graveyard of missions that didn't quite make it.

As our ambitions grow, and we think about exploring Mars with humans – maybe even future colonists – we're going to need to solve one of the biggest problems in space exploration: Successfully landing heavy payloads on the surface of Mars is really, really hard to do.

There are a bunch of challenges with Mars, including its lack of a protective magnetosphere and lower surface gravity. But one of the biggest is its thin atmosphere of carbon dioxide. If you were standing on the surface of Mars without a spacesuit, you'd freeze to death and asphyxiate from a lack of oxygen. But you'd also experience less than 1 percent the atmospheric pressure you enjoy here on Earth.

And it turns out, this thin atmosphere is making it incredibly challenging to get significant payloads safely down to the surface of the Red Planet. In fact, only 53 percent of missions to Mars have actually worked out properly. So let's talk about how missions to Mars have worked in the past, and I'll show you what the problem is.

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth

Continuing:

This started to get a bit too tough even for me so I had to put Einstein mode: on (but only level 3/5 hehhehheh...)
I dont want to bankrupt nasa but here goes (dont hate me plz or anything, Werner Von Braun seemed like a nice man and tom hanks in apollo 13 too):

Mars curiosity:
-300mSv dose for 180 days (this data is from the trip to Mars paper)
-1.66mSv per day

So suns radiation is 1.66mSv just outside Mars per day.

When on surface:
0.21mSv per day (about 210 microgreys per day, from their publicized graph)


Thats a reduction of 7.9. Or, going from 100% (1.66mSv) to 86.875% (0.21 mSv) if you want to put it in this way.
All thanks to 0.6% atmosphere. It blocks so much. Since theres no magnetic field on Mars.

On earth, it is suspected we get about 1 microsievert per day from cosmic radiation (sun). 2.4-5mSv per year. Of it 10-15% is from sun. 1mSv = 1000 microsieverts.

So lets play a numbers game:


0.6% atmosphere on Mars blocks 1.45msv. 210 microsieverts hit Mars of the 1.66 mSv which exists at orbit.
6% atmosphere on Mars would block 14.5mSv 0 microsieverts would pass since there was only 1.66mSv to start with.
60% atmosphere on Mars would block 145mSv 0 microsieverts would pass since there was only 1.66mSv to start with.
100% atmosphere on Mars would block 241.6 mSv, 0 microsieverts would pass since there was only 1.66mSv to start with.

Earth is at 100% to the above and even with magnetic field it lets through 1 microsievert a day. (0.365 mSv year. About 90% of radiation on earth is not from space)

So, Mars atmosphere must be thicker than 0.6%. I couldn't find a study how much earths atmosphere blocks specifically cosmic radiation but I did find this:

"About 23 percent of incoming solar energy is absorbed in the atmosphere"
earthobservatory.nasa.gov...

The pathetic Nasa lie:

167 times more dense atmosphere here on earth, blocks 23% of suns radiation.
But the 167 times weaker atmosphere on Mars blocks 86.875% of the radiation.

Cmon now Nasa what is this.

Yes Mars has Co2 (supposedly, if we can even believe that anymore, since all instruments come from the same people who told Mars ahs 0.6% atmosphere) and Earth is Nitrogen + Oxygen, and they block differently. But cmon now lets get real. There is a thicker atmosphere.
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But what happened to Mars?

Co2 weight: 1.84kg at M3
Nitrogen weight: 1.161kg at M3
Oxygen weight: 1.32kg M3.

On Earth we have "air" which is a combination of N, O2, Co2, Ar. There are continuous airflow movements going on because earth spins sometimes further from sun, sometimes closer, moon moves, creates tides, water evaporates due to heat, goes to clouds, temperatures change, it creates movement, earth rotates differently during different times of year, doesnt spin identically around its axis all the time, its a geoid not a sphere, coriolis effect, this all makes our atmospheres gases N, O2, Co2, Ar be combined all the time. Only at higher altitudes they start to be a little separated.

On Mars something happened. Oxygen which is lighter than CO2, started likely to separate and go higher. Then occasional solar storms hit and strip it out to space. Only heavy gases stayed.

When Mars lost oxygen and possibly other gases, like Nitrogen (which it likely had), to space, the atmospheric pressure went down. Once you loose the material from the planet its gone. But, remember, Mars is mostly sand when you look at it. It can have huge amounts of water everywhere around the planet, just under the sand. When it cooled, it turned to ice. Then dry sand flies over it. Since Co2 hasnt floated to space and it likely is higher than 6mbar, water likely has not turned into vapour and flown to space either.

Mars could have all the water it had in the past and it still exists but its in the sand and ground.

Unless ofcourse there was somekinda war in the past, and someone cooked the oceans with electrolysis and made them go straight into air.

What dont NASA lie about?

that is the q!

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth
You think there are human secret basses on mars?

Dude boy are you far off. Looks like there having trouble getting this little rottor rotter in the air, much less basses, and also secret basses. If there were, everybody would know. Just like if the US build secret basses on the moon. Do you realize the strategic significant of even having one missile silo on the moon? Much less hidden basis.

Let just say, if it happened, there would be no space race, and likely no Russia or China right now, and we would be under a one world government, and the rich would be dinning on the moon and holding parties there. Ever read a book the moon is a harsh mistress, by Robert A Heinlein.

Even in that book they were lobbing moon rocks down on earth, and they literally destroyed the nations of the world and there military's, easily. And whats more, if you had basis and launch pads on the moon. Its totally feasible that you could launch big ol rock down here, much less other stuff that has more of a bang.

Granted its a book. But ya! I think there a long and far ways away, from doing anything on the moon. Much less mars. The numbers and things you looking at. Is likely just projected numbers they once had, which had to be scraped once they realized it all existed only in there heads, and well, on to plan two, after the quarterly signing on the funding that is.

And if there are any basses on Mars? With humans in them, all jam packed in like sardines in a can. There likely willing to kill for a snickers bar, right about now.

originally posted by: SpaceBoyOnEarth

WHATS THAT??

a reply to: SpaceBoyOnEarth
People die on Mt Everest poluting the moutain with there corpses all the time. But even if it was like you say and you could walk on the surface of Mars with a fleece jacket and an Oxygen tank. That to will likely kill most humans off fast as well. Even if we go far out of our minds and say that the best conditioned on Mars are like a dry dessert here on earth.

Well, people die all the time in the desert as well, in literally hours. This guy, I remember now, Evan Tanner, was a UFC fighter at one point. The guy died in the desert, because he took a hike and relied on an old map, which said there would be a watering hole along his trail.

Well turns out, yes there was a watering hole there, some 10 years ago. And well, he died form the heat of the regular California desert and dehydration in a day trying to get back. And his story is not alone by a long shot. Mars however, would be a whole different ballgame. But even if it was close to what you say. Ya, try breathing nitrogen, and see how fast the radiations cooks you into something beyond a well done stake sauce.

You all are so far from moving to Mars, its not even funny. Like I said earlier, chances are the majority of humans will die of the bubonic plague in the next 70 years, then that they will be moving to Mars.
Evan Tanner dies in desert. Seriously!