US to send 2,800 troops to Saudi Arabia, contrary to his reasoning for pulling out of Syria.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Gorgonite

The trash media like the Associated press and the NYT, NBC, etc, are fully engaged in promoting all of these narratives which do not represent the actual reasons or goals of what our President's administration is doing, or the reasons stated by these garbage news agencies.

Soooo....All you are doing is re-processing the "garbage in garbage out" scenario the MSM is providing with these stories.

And it does not require a "Pro Trump" stance to see it. Just read the news closely and examine the narrative and it's "presentation".
Forget any thoughts of Trump in your mind and be honest about what you see.

Hope this helps.

Interesting take. Considering Trump himself stated the reason he was removing the troops from Syria was because of "forever wars" and to "bring our troops home".

Care to explain how the media is spinning that?

Guys... They ain't exactly gonna admit that this is because the USA sold Saudi a missile shield and it didn't work on those drones and such. Now the USA must make good on that USA missile shield or it's lights out for the USA missile shield. This is serious business.

Iran is laughing about it and saying maybe Saudi should have bought the Iranian shield instead of the American shield because at least their's works and takes down drones as proven by taking down the USA drone.

The USA is over there getting intel on the Iranian shield and the USA shield. By default, Saudi spent a lot of money on a system that doesn't work as advertised for them. And it also looks good to the peons that don't know better and think the USA is rushing to the aid of an ally.

So I do not expect the USA to be doing much but watching the skies for more drones because they obviously can not sense them from their shieldie thing.

Saudi is just the one it failed on is all. And Saudi happens to be in the Middle East. We are trying to sell this system to India. Why would India want it when it's shown to be a dud? It's a mess but it's about that shield. Don't get it twisted up here.

a reply to: andy06shake

You would win that bet.

a reply to: Gorgonite

It looks to me like what you just said is YOU spinning it, not the media this time.

Does anything make sense of what Trump does to those who hold only strong despise for him?

Of course not.

Trump's spine is the most flexible of all presidents.

His die hard fans are just an extension

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Gorgonite

It looks to me like what you just said is YOU spinning it, not the media this time.

Does anything make sense of what Trump does to those who hold only strong despise for him?

Of course not.

Ok, lets make this as specific as possible. Since you "closely" follow the news, you have surely already seen this.

“I don’t want to stay there for the next 40 years," Trump said. “It’s not going to do anything. ... I campaigned on the fact that I was going to bring our soldiers home, and bring them home as rapidly as possible.”

Part of keeping that promise, Trump said, is not thrusting U.S. forces into even more conflicts that have no end in sight.

“We interject ourselves into wars, and we interject ourselves into tribal wars and revolutions and all of these things that are very — they’re not the kind of thing that you settle the way we’d like to see it settled. It just doesn’t — it just doesn’t work that way. ... And it’s time to come back home."

LINK

No spin, that is Trump's own words saying he wants to bring our troops home as quickly as possible and he doesn't want to interject our troops into other conflicts.

But yeah, you're right, its the media spinning all of Trump's noble intentions.

I will admit Trump bowing to Saudi Arabia's desires has on multiple occasions like all the past Presidents have, given me pause for concern.

Saudi Arabia is no one's ally and its humanitarian abuses are astronomical.

Btw to site owners, please fix the envelope so it fills in when there's messages like it used to. I've apparently got three warnings and had no idea as we have literally zero indication when we've gotten a message.

a reply to: Gorgonite

Let's speculate that Trump's actions has more to do with 4D Chess strategy and power placement on the chessboard...

moving out of Syria, in the Syrian lands that are predominately peopled by the Nation-Less Kurds, might just be Trumps way of poking the Turks/Erdogan into an ill advised border war which will finally end up with UN Peacekeepers there in North Syria... with thousands of unbridled IS/ISIS/AQ Jihadists running around in pockets of resistance to the combined Syrian & Iranian Proxy fighters that are amassed in Syria....

Erdogan wants a rebirthed Ottoman Caliphate...the Saudis' have Mecca/Medina & Islam pilgrimage which Erdogan & The Turk future Caliphate Covet… it's a Sunni-Shia thing at the heart-of-it

the USA siding with the Saudi regime is more about the Petro-Dollar than any alliance or friendship...Trump is making the best Practical move possible for the Western World sustainability as financial Empires go

originally posted by: Gorgonite

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Gorgonite

It looks to me like what you just said is YOU spinning it, not the media this time.

Does anything make sense of what Trump does to those who hold only strong despise for him?

Of course not.

Ok, lets make this as specific as possible. Since you "closely" follow the news, you have surely already seen this.

“I don’t want to stay there for the next 40 years," Trump said. “It’s not going to do anything. ... I campaigned on the fact that I was going to bring our soldiers home, and bring them home as rapidly as possible.”

Part of keeping that promise, Trump said, is not thrusting U.S. forces into even more conflicts that have no end in sight.

“We interject ourselves into wars, and we interject ourselves into tribal wars and revolutions and all of these things that are very — they’re not the kind of thing that you settle the way we’d like to see it settled. It just doesn’t — it just doesn’t work that way. ... And it’s time to come back home."

LINK

No spin, that is Trump's own words saying he wants to bring our troops home as quickly as possible and he doesn't want to interject our troops into other conflicts.

But yeah, you're right, its the media spinning all of Trump's noble intentions.

No this is purely on you spinning this for yourself to mean something it doesn't.

A lot of what Trump said was allegorical and analysis leaving the question remaining to consider remedy. A remedy that historically has been problematic at best. And the middle east has always been problematic and highly fluid in change. We go there and cut one head off and two more take it's place.
Do I expect you to understand any of this? Not even a little bit. (But the potential exists in you
Trump is less inclined to kill people than the last 3 presidents BY FAR and has been proving that. You should be glad.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

A lot of what Trump said was allegorical

Of course it was! Otherwise people wouldn't be able to spin it any way they want. He's good at that sort of thing apparently. 🤣🐑

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Gorgonite

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Gorgonite

It looks to me like what you just said is YOU spinning it, not the media this time.

Does anything make sense of what Trump does to those who hold only strong despise for him?

Of course not.

Ok, lets make this as specific as possible. Since you "closely" follow the news, you have surely already seen this.

“I don’t want to stay there for the next 40 years," Trump said. “It’s not going to do anything. ... I campaigned on the fact that I was going to bring our soldiers home, and bring them home as rapidly as possible.”

Part of keeping that promise, Trump said, is not thrusting U.S. forces into even more conflicts that have no end in sight.

“We interject ourselves into wars, and we interject ourselves into tribal wars and revolutions and all of these things that are very — they’re not the kind of thing that you settle the way we’d like to see it settled. It just doesn’t — it just doesn’t work that way. ... And it’s time to come back home."

LINK

No spin, that is Trump's own words saying he wants to bring our troops home as quickly as possible and he doesn't want to interject our troops into other conflicts.

But yeah, you're right, its the media spinning all of Trump's noble intentions.

No this is purely on you spinning this for yourself to mean something it doesn't.

A lot of what Trump said was allegorical and analysis leaving the question remaining to consider remedy. A remedy that historically has been problematic at best. And the middle east has always been problematic and highly fluid in change. We go there and cut one head off and two more take it's place.
Do I expect you to understand any of this? Not even a little bit. (But the potential exists in you

Trump is less inclined to kill people than the last 3 presidents BY FAR and has been proving that. You should be glad.

You're so precious.

When Trump is asked why he is removing troops from Syria he gives an allegorical response. That seems totally legit.

Please tell me, since I am obviously too stupid to figure this out on my own, what is the moral of Trump's story then?

a reply to: Gorgonite

Whats the point? anti gay patrol? watching for bad women drivers?

Nup, when Turkey threatened an influx of refugees after US withdrawal, Trump needs to protect his precious.

I know that's crude, you'll figure it out.

originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: Gorgonite

Let's speculate that Trump's actions has more to do with 4D Chess strategy and power placement on the chessboard...

moving out of Syria, in the Syrian lands that are predominately peopled by the Nation-Less Kurds, might just be Trumps way of poking the Turks/Erdogan into an ill advised border war which will finally end up with UN Peacekeepers there in North Syria... with thousands of unbridled IS/ISIS/AQ Jihadists running around in pockets of resistance to the combined Syrian & Iranian Proxy fighters that are amassed in Syria....

Erdogan wants a rebirthed Ottoman Caliphate...the Saudis' have Mecca/Medina & Islam pilgrimage which Erdogan & The Turk future Caliphate Covet… it's a Sunni-Shia thing at the heart-of-it

the USA siding with the Saudi regime is more about the Petro-Dollar than any alliance or friendship...Trump is making the best Practical move possible for the Western World sustainability as financial Empires go

Occam's Razor and Trump's past actions beg to differ.

The most likely answer is Trump is simply protecting his personal business interests in Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

Or...... The man who lied about Muslims cheering in the streets on 9/11 and bragged about having the tallest building now that the Trade Towers were gone is playing 4D chess.

I swear, the knots some Trump supporters tie their brains up with are absolutely incredible.

But you do you!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: hyperlexic
So now we dont want troops in the ME protecting our allies?

The Saudis are not our allies, they are one of the largest propagators of Islamist terrorism.

To be clear I dont think we should send troops there.

But didnt SA help fight ISIS? Isnt that all you need now to be considered allies? Its what works for the KURDS.

Bring 100 troops home send 2800 troops to Saudi Arabia. Trump math. Wisdom. Sad.

originally posted by: Gorgonite

originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: Gorgonite

Let's speculate that Trump's actions has more to do with 4D Chess strategy and power placement on the chessboard...

moving out of Syria, in the Syrian lands that are predominately peopled by the Nation-Less Kurds, might just be Trumps way of poking the Turks/Erdogan into an ill advised border war which will finally end up with UN Peacekeepers there in North Syria... with thousands of unbridled IS/ISIS/AQ Jihadists running around in pockets of resistance to the combined Syrian & Iranian Proxy fighters that are amassed in Syria....

Erdogan wants a rebirthed Ottoman Caliphate...the Saudis' have Mecca/Medina & Islam pilgrimage which Erdogan & The Turk future Caliphate Covet… it's a Sunni-Shia thing at the heart-of-it

the USA siding with the Saudi regime is more about the Petro-Dollar than any alliance or friendship...Trump is making the best Practical move possible for the Western World sustainability as financial Empires go

Occam's Razor and Trump's past actions beg to differ.

The most likely answer is Trump is simply protecting his personal business interests in Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

Or...... The man who lied about Muslims cheering in the streets on 9/11 and bragged about having the tallest building now that the Trade Towers were gone is playing 4D chess.

I swear, the knots some Trump supporters tie their brains up with are absolutely incredible.

But you do you!

Nope. Not personal for Trump. It's this missile shield the USA has going on over there. The Iranians are laughing at the USA. I guess if you have a problem with someone laughing at you and making fun of you, it's personal to you. I usually ignore those types myself. And the USA wants to sell this shield to India. India is looking at both the USA and Russia shields so which will they go with? So far, the Iranian, not Russia or the USA's shield is the one that I've seen take down a drone. If it really took it down that is. It's about the Patriot thingie. Nothing 4D about it. It's all about the money and selling this system.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
Bring 100 troops home send 2800 troops to Saudi Arabia. Trump math. Wisdom. Sad.

Has nothing to do with math. Has to do with the fact that the missile shield did not take out those drones and such that hit the refinery over there. MONEY baby!!! BIG MONEY!!!

a reply to: sybdragon

Not me mate, but some dirty bastards with 8 figure bank accounts sure will.

The games rigged all the same, and then some.

a reply to: andy06shake

LOL I agree. Now if I could just get people to realize that Trump is part of the plan and (s)elected for this job he is doing at this moment. Nothing is on the fly. It's all gamed out long before it happens.

I mean, how is Trump so protected going up against the so called "elite" and not getting taken out? Because he is also part of the plan unlike JFK who tried to change the plan all by his lonesome and pissed off people. He didn't have the protection Trump has. Call me suspicious, conspiracy nut, whatever.... I think this is all part of the "great" plan.

I happen to like this phase of it though. Will I like the next? Don't know. I hated the plan for years so.... we shall see. Stay a conspiracy nut and suspicious because.... well we are just watching a show. Like Q stated. "Enjoy the show!" Now where's my popcorn? LOL