Video - British doctor fully debunks the need for mandatory vaccination using the available studies

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Kurokage
Look into the claims that are made on any video you watch on youtube, before you claim it as the truth.

But it must be true. I watched it on YouTube.

This video is just another example of how easily led some people are when it comes to vaccinations.

A presentation by a "doctor" with questionable expertise in the subject, and an interviewer how knows a trick or two abut how to implant suggestions and deceit while pretending to be knowledgeable and righteous. It's the same old formula played out in a million YouTube videos - regurgitated and rehashed. This type of video is watched and believed by people in the echo chamber, for whom reality and science are a distant blur and somewhere beyond their sight.

The CDC found that is it those in high IQ and wealthy areas who don't vaccinate, the ones who've taken the time to do their research, while the ones accepting the vaccines have at most read some pharma marketing and put blind trust in it.

Your opinion is logically-flawed, and the organic posters on ATS will see that.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
why is this thread still a thing.

Its the source of the video has been throughly exposed as a fraud.

Move on OP.

When you say things like that people will think you have an agenda. This thread has only just begun, we haven't even started talking about the science yet, we've just had a few posters acting like pharma shills trying to shut things down with ad hominems and false accusations.

a reply to: hiddencode

Rupert Murdoch has a lot to answer for

Rupert is just one cog in the machine. He knows who he has to take his orders from if he wants to keep his job. There have been restrictions in place for what can be published for a long time. Fox is winning over CNN in the current media slug out.

Biden is trying to get the New York Times on board. Link

originally posted by: hiddencode

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
why is this thread still a thing.
Its the source of the video has been throughly exposed as a fraud.
Move on OP.

When you say things like that people will think you have an agenda. This thread has only just begun, we haven't even started talking about the science yet, we've just had a few posters acting like pharma shills trying to shut things down with ad hominems and false accusations.

It's amazing how you call people who disagree with you pharma shrills trying to shut things down??
Big pharma companies do make huge amount of money out of a lot of their products, but Docs are to quick and lazy and prescribe these drugs to soon. You have a sniffle, the Doc prescribes antibiotics, causing resistance. You have trouble sleeping, here take sleeping tablets. Having pain, here's some morphine, so on and so fourth.
But pushing the agenda of anti-vaxxers is just stupid, especially videos from someone and a group who are pushing fake alternative "medicines".
If you want a crusade to fight, maybe try fighting against antibiotic resistance, thats far more dangerous than vaccines.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Not bullocks at all.

I've seen a small child before and after a certain vaccine. She was the youngest sister of a child that went to school with my child. The girl was absolutely covered in eczema so bad she couldn't stop scratching. Her skin flaked off and peeled away in chunks. Her mother would slap her hands quite hard to get her to stop and the child would scream in pain, not from the slap, but from the eczema and hives. She was in agony and the mother said it happened right after she got her shots.

You can say it's bullocks all you like but human beings don't like being guinea pigs. What about the HPV vaccine that's causing sterilisation? They released that one too early. Many people have very bad reactions to vaccines, not a minority of people and I wouldn't call sterilisation or lifelong scratching 24/7 a side effect. And once a child has that reaction, they no longer get the vaccines of any kind and they're fine!

A vaccine is not as safe as a paracetamol. If you want to push that idea, provide the research papers showing this.

All you've done is attack the source and it's really obvious, too.

BTW, vaccines aren't so effective either. I've been given shots and got the virus within two months. My kids have gotten shots and within three months the whole family has that virus.

a reply to: pacific

Where did I deny that vaccines can have side effects?

The only point that I am making is that there is zero reason to believe what the guy in the video is saying.

a reply to: hiddencode

Here's a reason why I believe in vaccines. I did not have the mumps vaccine when I was kid. When I was 5 years old I got mumps and I lost the hearing in my right ear.
People who mouth rubbish about the evils of vaccines are putting the health of children at risk. If you don't have the mumps jab THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF TOTAL OR PARTIAL HEARING LOSS.
The anti-vaxxers drive me mad with their endless hysterical rubbish and the fact that the twit in the video is not listed with the GMC tells me everything I need to know about him. He's unqualified and has delivered a consignment of geriatric shoemakers.

AngryCymraeg,

It's worth noting that the scientists who made the mumps part of the MMR vaccine are now suing Merck, as the vaccine didn't work and Merck forced them to fake the results by adding rabbit antibodies to the results.

Hearing loss is very rare after mumps, but the vaccine cannot stop mumps anyway, the efficacy was faked. If you are male you are better off catching mumps as young as possible so as you won't harm your fertility.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: hiddencode

Here's a reason why I believe in vaccines. I did not have the mumps vaccine when I was kid. When I was 5 years old I got mumps and I lost the hearing in my right ear.
People who mouth rubbish about the evils of vaccines are putting the health of children at risk. If you don't have the mumps jab THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF TOTAL OR PARTIAL HEARING LOSS.
The anti-vaxxers drive me mad with their endless hysterical rubbish and the fact that the twit in the video is not listed with the GMC tells me everything I need to know about him. He's unqualified and has delivered a consignment of geriatric shoemakers.

You clearly haven't watched the video, the guy in the video is showing studies and reading them out.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: pacific

Where did I deny that vaccines can have side effects?

The only point that I am making is that there is zero reason to believe what the guy in the video is saying.

Excellent post Pacific!

originally posted by: pacific
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Not bullocks at all.

I've seen a small child before and after a certain vaccine. She was the youngest sister of a child that went to school with my child. The girl was absolutely covered in eczema so bad she couldn't stop scratching. Her skin flaked off and peeled away in chunks. Her mother would slap her hands quite hard to get her to stop and the child would scream in pain, not from the slap, but from the eczema and hives. She was in agony and the mother said it happened right after she got her shots.

You can say it's bullocks all you like but human beings don't like being guinea pigs. What about the HPV vaccine that's causing sterilisation? They released that one too early. Many people have very bad reactions to vaccines, not a minority of people and I wouldn't call sterilisation or lifelong scratching 24/7 a side effect. And once a child has that reaction, they no longer get the vaccines of any kind and they're fine!

A vaccine is not as safe as a paracetamol. If you want to push that idea, provide the research papers showing this.

All you've done is attack the source and it's really obvious, too.

BTW, vaccines aren't so effective either. I've been given shots and got the virus within two months. My kids have gotten shots and within three months the whole family has that virus.

originally posted by: hiddencode
AngryCymraeg,

It's worth noting that the scientists who made the mumps part of the MMR vaccine are now suing Merck, as the vaccine didn't work and Merck forced them to fake the results by adding rabbit antibodies to the results.

Hearing loss is very rare after mumps, but the vaccine cannot stop mumps anyway, the efficacy was faked. If you are male you are better off catching mumps as young as possible so as you won't harm your fertility.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: hiddencode

Here's a reason why I believe in vaccines. I did not have the mumps vaccine when I was kid. When I was 5 years old I got mumps and I lost the hearing in my right ear.
People who mouth rubbish about the evils of vaccines are putting the health of children at risk. If you don't have the mumps jab THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF TOTAL OR PARTIAL HEARING LOSS.
The anti-vaxxers drive me mad with their endless hysterical rubbish and the fact that the twit in the video is not listed with the GMC tells me everything I need to know about him. He's unqualified and has delivered a consignment of geriatric shoemakers.

Absolute twaddle. The vaccine does stop mumps and permanent hearing loss affects one in 20,000. Yes, it's rare, but it's still a real risk. Here's the thing: anti-vaxxers are gambling with the lives of children. Which genuinely enrages me.

I've been debating pharma shills for years, so I recognize their script sheet, soundbites and tactics, they all do exactly as trained. Also I know someone who used to recruit them and he showed me a lot of what they do. If I call someone a pharma shill I'm 99% certain, but there could always be the odd person who has been influenced by the shills and now copies off them.

Antibiotics are also a big problem, on a par with vaccines, but more people know about the problems of antibiotics i.e. inducing learning delays and cancers, whereas with vaccines there's a big cover-up going on, so that's the most important area to target.

Your post tells me that you don't know a great deal about vaccine science and how it works, I'd recommend you look into the topic some more before labeling the experts speaking out against it as "stupid", you are not qualified to make that judgement.

The fact you are trying to move me away from exposing vaccines will make a lot of people go hmmmm....

originally posted by: Kurokage

originally posted by: hiddencode

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
why is this thread still a thing.
Its the source of the video has been throughly exposed as a fraud.
Move on OP.

When you say things like that people will think you have an agenda. This thread has only just begun, we haven't even started talking about the science yet, we've just had a few posters acting like pharma shills trying to shut things down with ad hominems and false accusations.

It's amazing how you call people who disagree with you pharma shrills trying to shut things down??
Big pharma companies do make huge amount of money out of a lot of their products, but Docs are to quick and lazy and prescribe these drugs to soon. You have a sniffle, the Doc prescribes antibiotics, causing resistance. You have trouble sleeping, here take sleeping tablets. Having pain, here's some morphine, so on and so fourth.
But pushing the agenda of anti-vaxxers is just stupid, especially videos from someone and a group who are pushing fake alternative "medicines".
If you want a crusade to fight, maybe try fighting against antibiotic resistance, thats far more dangerous than vaccines.

"twaddle" you say...

Merck accused of stonewalling in mumps vaccine antitrust lawsuit
www.reuters.com...

Class Says Merck Lied About Mumps Vaccine
www.courthousenews.com...

Former Merck Scientists Sue Merck Alleging MMR Vaccine Efficacy Fraud
ahrp.org...

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: hiddencode
AngryCymraeg,

It's worth noting that the scientists who made the mumps part of the MMR vaccine are now suing Merck, as the vaccine didn't work and Merck forced them to fake the results by adding rabbit antibodies to the results.

Hearing loss is very rare after mumps, but the vaccine cannot stop mumps anyway, the efficacy was faked. If you are male you are better off catching mumps as young as possible so as you won't harm your fertility.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: hiddencode

Here's a reason why I believe in vaccines. I did not have the mumps vaccine when I was kid. When I was 5 years old I got mumps and I lost the hearing in my right ear.
People who mouth rubbish about the evils of vaccines are putting the health of children at risk. If you don't have the mumps jab THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF TOTAL OR PARTIAL HEARING LOSS.
The anti-vaxxers drive me mad with their endless hysterical rubbish and the fact that the twit in the video is not listed with the GMC tells me everything I need to know about him. He's unqualified and has delivered a consignment of geriatric shoemakers.

Absolute twaddle. The vaccine does stop mumps and permanent hearing loss affects one in 20,000. Yes, it's rare, but it's still a real risk. Here's the thing: anti-vaxxers are gambling with the lives of children. Which genuinely enrages me.

originally posted by: hiddencode
You clearly haven't watched the video, the guy in the video is showing studies and reading them out.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: pacific

Where did I deny that vaccines can have side effects?

The only point that I am making is that there is zero reason to believe what the guy in the video is saying.

I did actually watch some of it but honestly I got so fed up with it.

The thing to fully and properly critique this entire thing you would need to sit down for a few days, you would need a complete collection of all academic journals referenced then you would need to go through them all individually and analyse them for yourself.

Honestly I don't have time to do that.

I do however have time to take a look at the guy presenting the information and ask the question "Is this guy reliable?" the answer to that question is no, he is not reliable because he does not hold any qualifications that make him qualified to give advice regarding vaccination programs. Therefore why should I even listen to what he has to say, why should I care more about what he has to say about vaccines than my postman.

I've actually been through all the studies very carefully, some I already knew. You are making a mistake to try to look at the person and not the science, he is showing you the science there and it speaks for itself, if you are not confident with science then I understand you putting all your focus on the person and trying to work out if you can trust him, but that will not give you an accurate answer to the vaccine, only the science can do that.

On the matter of trust, the companies who make the vaccines are regularly fined huge sums of money, they are criminal, but nobody gets jailed because they are corporations. The researchers performing the studies are normally funded by industry and put under pressure to produce positive results which can be used for pharma marketing and lobbying. Vaccine patent holders are sometimes in positions where they can vote on which vaccines are in the schedule. The CDC has a revolving-door with Big Pharma. Two government whistleblowers have now confirmed vaccine cover-ups which are going on. If you care so much about trust as you claim, that is where you should be looking, and if you do you'll find it very hard to trust the vaccines from these companies, without ever needing to watch any YouTube videos.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: hiddencode
You clearly haven't watched the video, the guy in the video is showing studies and reading them out.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: pacific

Where did I deny that vaccines can have side effects?

The only point that I am making is that there is zero reason to believe what the guy in the video is saying.

I did actually watch some of it but honestly I got so fed up with it.

The thing to fully and properly critique this entire thing you would need to sit down for a few days, you would need a complete collection of all academic journals referenced then you would need to go through them all individually and analyse them for yourself.

Honestly I don't have time to do that.

I do however have time to take a look at the guy presenting the information and ask the question "Is this guy reliable?" the answer to that question is no, he is not reliable because he does not hold any qualifications that make him qualified to give advice regarding vaccination programs. Therefore why should I even listen to what he has to say, why should I care more about what he has to say about vaccines than my postman.

Lot of money to be made when there's a "law" forcing you to consume a product and comply. Or a "fine" for noncompliance. It's a win win for TPTB!

Kind of like the laws requiring insurance. Big money being made.

It's all socialism and anti-freedom. I went my whole childhood never getting poked by a needle. I lived.

The ironic thing about all this? Many of the same people that agree with "saving lives" (forcing vaccinations) are the same people saying the globe's over populated and we need drive thru abortion clinics. I really wish they'd find a standard or something to believe in that doesn't contradict itself. Then get back with me on thier forcing individuals against thier will.

a reply to: hiddencode

That does not answer my question.

Why should I believe him over my postman?

What qualifies him as an authority on vaccination.

a reply to: hiddencode

I've been debating pharma shills for years, so I recognize their script sheet, soundbites and tactics, they all do exactly as trained. Also I know someone who used to recruit them and he showed me a lot of what they do. If I call someone a pharma shill I'm 99% certain, but there could always be the odd person who has been influenced by the shills and now copies off them.

It's easy to just to call someone a SHRILL and make out they have an agenda, making out that you can be recruited by pharma companies to come to places like ATS to post. This gives your argument the only evidence you need to back up your beliefs and to hell with the truth.
Pharma companies aren't the devil but they aren't saints either, they are what they are, but denying vaccines are helpful, you open the door to all kinds of problems, an example being what ATS Member AngryCmyraeg posted about mumps.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Vaccines save life’s.

OtherSideOftheCoin,

I do not mean to be disrespectful, but is English your second language, or is there another reason why you incorrectly wrote life's instead of the correct spelling of lives?

originally posted by: hiddencode

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Vaccines save life’s.

If the pharmaceuticals believe that vaccines save lives and bring a net health benefit, they have to prove that scientifically. So far they are not willing to, we need science, not assumption.

hiddencode,

I totally agree with you, and IF one is going to proclaim that vaccines save lives, then one MUST be able to substantiate the claim with valid studies/tests.