Video - British doctor fully debunks the need for mandatory vaccination using the available studies

a reply to: hiddencode

I think your using bad sources here to justify something that makes no sense in reality.

I think your own bias and perhaps fear of medicine is warping your judgement. This really is flat earth style territory here. Vaccines have saved millions if not hundreds of millions of lives and that's just reality.

Snake oil is what they sell on the sites that cater to the anti-medicine crowd, not the opposite. People will disparage actual medicine like vaccines that save lives and then buy a bottle of grossly overpriced mystery juice and willingly drink it down.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

He's not a chiropractor, as said he is an expert in Neuro-musculoskeletal & Functional Medicine. In medical school they learn very little on vaccines other than memorizing the schedule, whereas Dr Downing is someone obsessed with the science, he is always backing up what he says by showing studies which can easily be looked up.

You would be better to place your skepticism in the pharmaceutical industry given all the money being used to corrupt people, rather than an honest researcher who's simply trying to get important information out and clearly knows his subject inside out.

a reply to: hiddencode

Many people die from vaccines and are left disabled, we would need solid studies to answer the questions, each vaccine would need to be studied, the ingredients in them, the full schedule, the timing etc. The current reality is that we have no way of knowing if they bring more harm or benefit overall.

Bollocks.

A small minority of people will have some side-effects or anaphylaxis reaction to vaccinations but for the most part they are safe there is zero evidence that there is a significant enough risk to vaccinating a child that would support advising against vaccinations. All medication has its risks but a vaccine is about as safe as a paracetamol, probably more so.

Again I challenged you to provide a reason as to why we should believe anything the man in your new favourite youtube video has to say and I await a response.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Blaine91555,

We've all been fed vaccine propaganda from a young age, it's hard to get away from especially these days. If the pharmaceuticals were confident about the safety and effectiveness of their vaccines, they would be willing to run studies to prove the point with evidence, once and for all, but to this day they still refuse, so if they're not confident in their products, we shouldn't be either.

There is no real tracking in place for vaccine damage, and at most the current weak tracking picks up 1% of the harm caused. If you go down with an autoimmune disease two months after a vaccination, nobody is tracking that, and it is not in your doctor's interest to report it. This point is discussed by Downing in the video.

There is a long list of health complications on vaccine inserts, outlining the serious harm vaccines can cause, admitted direct from the manufacturers.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: hiddencode

Many people die from vaccines and are left disabled, we would need solid studies to answer the questions, each vaccine would need to be studied, the ingredients in them, the full schedule, the timing etc. The current reality is that we have no way of knowing if they bring more harm or benefit overall.

Bollocks.

A small minority of people will have some side-effects or anaphylaxis reaction to vaccinations but for the most part they are safe there is zero evidence that there is a significant enough risk to vaccinating a child that would support advising against vaccinations. All medication has its risks but a vaccine is about as safe as a paracetamol, probably more so.

Again I challenged you to provide a reason as to why we should believe anything the man in your new favourite youtube video has to say and I await a response.

a reply to: hiddencode

He's not a chiropractor, as said he is an expert in Neuro-musculoskeletal & Functional Medicine

Dude, a "expert in Neuro-Musculoskeletal and functional medicine" is basically a euphemism for Chiropractor, you don't go to medical school to become a Chiropractor.

His own bio states that:

Dr. Downing was invited to read for a Ph.D at Oxford’s leading research institute, Sir William Dunn School of Pathology but decided on a clinical career instead. He is one of only two doctors in Europe that have received training at consultant level in diagnosis and treatment of internal medical disorders at the Texas Chiropractic College, USA; and advanced Wilderness medicine.

Yeah I mean I was also invited to go to one of the worlds top uni's to study for a PHD is rocket science but I decided to go become a alien in a suit instead....prove me wrong.

He is literally saying in this part of his bio he is a chiropractor.

I even found another article by him claiming that Antibiotics don't work Link

The guy is a total fraud why can't you just accept that.

a reply to: hiddencode

Show me one single serious double bind peer reviewed journal article from a reputable source that says the risks of vaccination (the standard vaccines ie. MMR) in anyway outweighs the benefits of vaccination and advises against it.

Please just stop believing this utter horse #.

a reply to: hiddencode

If the pharmaceuticals were confident about the safety and effectiveness of their vaccines, they would be willing to run studies to prove the point with evidence

if you had ever studied anything in the realms of medical science you would know why am falling of my chair with laughter over this statement.

a reply to: hiddencode

No studies?

A credible source of information on this.

When you have administered billions of doses of vaccines to the public at large, that's also a study, in fact the most accurate study possible. Adverse reactions are rare.

You might reconsider your stance of there being no studies and instead read articles at credible sources.

a reply to: hiddencode

If the pharmaceuticals believe that vaccines save lives and bring a net health benefit, they have to prove that scientifically. So far they are not willing to, we need science, not assumption.

Where does Smallpox fit then?

originally posted by: hiddencode
A message on the GMC says that if you can't find them there it doesn't mean they are not registered. I just looked this up.

If a doctor is not in the GMCs List of Reistered Medical Practitioners then they cannot practice in the UK. He's not on the list. He's clearly passing himself off as a doctor, but then that's not hard. It's also not hard to stick in some medical terms to make it look flash. Here you go...

My name Is Dr Rob Jones. I specialise in Gregorian Amphast#es and Perenotal Intensive Flappercrap Total-Con-The-Gullible. I qualified as a consultant from FindaThaiBride University, Oxford, Ghana.

a reply to: paraphi

My name Is Dr Rob Jones. I specialise in Gregorian Amphast#es and Perenotal Intensive Flappercrap Total-Con-The-Gullible. I qualified as a consultant from FindaThaiBride University, Oxford, Ghana.

I already trust you more than Dr Graham!

Tell me, I have this pain in my back, if I drink elephant sperm and sleep on a bed of wood shavings will it get better or should I just try what Dr Downing said; having my mate beat my back with a mental rod until it stops hurting because I loose all sensation throughout my body?

Hmm, I wonder with vaccines being so safe and beneficial to humans, why the supreme court gave protections from lawsuits to the drug firms which produce these vaccines? Are they scared of actual facts coming to light? Will their profits be devastated by a legal discovery process?

Usually when a product is so good and lifesaving it doesn't need special protections from litigation on the potential harm from said product being forced on a person.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

If he was a fraud the pharma network would have taken him down years ago, if you take the time to watch his videos you will realize he far more knowledgable than any of the pro-vaccine doctors who appear in the media; he would run rings around them.
If you disagree with something he has said in the video please bring it up, but smearing him on a place like ATS will make many people suspect you have an agenda, playing the man and not the ball, so best keep to the science.

a reply to: paraphi

He’s so high profile that he would have been taken down within months if he had been lying about his PhD. As I said to the other poster, better to watch the video and debate the science being discussed.

a reply to: contextual

Small pox has already been explained earlier in the thread, it was not particularly contagious and the vaccine was associated with major outbreaks.

a reply to: Blaine91555

The doses being given only become a study if real tracking is in place, which it is not. Here the CDC admit on their site that they are not doing the studies, they use the excuse that studies would be ‘unethical’, but of course they are begging the question.

From CDC site:-

Q: How do we know vaccines aren’t causing long-term health problems?

A: Observing vaccinated children for many years to look for long-term health conditions would not be practical, and withholding an effective vaccine from children while long-term studies are being done wouldn’t be ethical.

www.cdc.gov...

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

In fact I am highly educated in science, and I am well aware that vaccines get to bypass any kind of quality testing, any real studies are seen as being unethical, so vaccination can never become a real science until that changes. For now vaccines are just shots on the dark.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

My point is that such studies are not being carried out. They are required for vaccination to become a sensible science, until then vaccines are purely faith-based, similar to a religious belief.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: hiddencode

Ok so what about "doctor" Graham Downing having no records held with the GMC.

You can check for yourself.

GMC

Well done on finding out the info of this fraudster.
In my opinion he should be prosecuted for fraud and made to publish an apology.