Florida businessmen who helped Giuliani in Ukraine arrested on campaign finance charges

originally posted by: Gorgonite
Found another image of the two arrested individuals with Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

Questions I would like answers to

• Why would Trump and his son meet with these two individuals on at least two separate dates?
  
• Why would these specific individuals be helping Rudy with his investigation into Ukraine?
  
• Was Donald Trump aware of the plan by these two individuals to funnel money from a Russian donor into his campaign?
  

I take it those are rhetorical questions.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Extorris

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Reading through the indictment, I'm seeing this is in regards to donating to Nevada and New York candidates in order "to facilitate acquisitions of retail marijuana licenses"...to further a business venture.

What do Nevada & New York retail marijuana licenses have to do with Trump?

You haven't read the whole document then.

Then help me out...looked through the indictment twice.

I will read it again when time affords, but look for "Federal" Candidates and "Committees" and PACs

so, two guys from a corrupt country want the Beacon of Freedom to help...

where the crime? overzealous in donations?

let's get back to the real crimes at hand...

the crowdstrike server...

no server no hack.

no hack no russia.

the contents of the DNC HRC podesta emails have never been disputed only implied that they were "hacked" so magically everything in them is a lie.

manafort worked for tony podesta. who was involved in Ukrainian corruption.

tony also got an epstien immunity deal and closed the multimillion looby group.

originally posted by: Gorgonite
Found another image of the two arrested individuals with Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani.

Questions I would like answers to

• Why would Trump and his son meet with these two individuals on at least two separate dates?
  
• Why would these specific individuals be helping Rudy with his investigation into Ukraine?
  
• Was Donald Trump aware of the plan by these two individuals to funnel money from a Russian donor into his campaign?
  

Apparently someone tipped them off

Arrested at Dulles International

US prosecutors were not intending to unseal the indictment against the Giuliani associates and two others Thursday, according to three US officials. Their hand was forced by an attempt by Fruman and Parnas to leave the country.

www.cnn.com...

THIS from a few eeks ago

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman were cited — although not by name — in a government whistleblower complaint released Thursday alleging improper behavior by the president.

Parnas and Fruman helped introduce Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, into top Ukrainian political circles, according to widespread media accounts.

And in three footnotes, the whistleblower cites media reports revealing how Parnas and Fruman were instrumental. The complaint refers to the men as “two associates of Mr. Giuliani.”

Giuliani has confirmed Parnas and Fruman are his legal clients.

Parnas, Fruman and their natural-gas company, Global Energy Producers, have given more than $400,000 to Republican candidates and committees supporting them in federal elections. The vast majority of that money has gone to committees supporting Trump, but Republican Florida Sen. Rick Scott is the next biggest beneficiary.

Together, Parnas and Fruman joined Donald Trump Jr. for breakfast in Beverly Hills last year, a deleted social media post obtained by BuzzFeed/OCCRP shows. Both men have been spotted at Trump properties, including Mar-a-Lago, according to published reports. Another photo shows Parnas at the White House with Trump earlier this year.

www.miamiherald.com...

AND HERE:

Fruman and Parnas asked a US congressman, who is not named in the indictment but appears to be former Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, to help get the US ambassador to Ukraine fired at the same time that they were committing to raise tens of thousands of dollars for that congressman's reelection effort, according to the indictment.

www.cnn.com...

The indictment also lays out how they donated $325,000 dollars to a pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, around this same time through a limited-liability company allegedly created for the purpose of masking the true source of their campaign contributions.

originally posted by: reeferman
so, two guys from a corrupt country want the Beacon of Freedom to help...

so, two criminals, working with or for Trump's personal attorney, launder illegal funds from a Russian Oligarch to illegally contribute to a Trump Super Pac and to pay off GOP Congressman Pete Sessions to help get an American Diplomat fired and to solicit corrupt Ukrainian officials to help Donald Trump in his re-election campaign...

Or something like that, but likely worse.

originally posted by: ErEhWoN
a reply to: Gorgonite

How many Trump admin officials or associates are locked up now, wearing silver bracelets?

A few, but Papadopolous and Flynn were railroaded (and both will likely be exonerated soon, Flynn before he is even sentenced, same for Roger Stone), Cohen and Manafort are there for being dirty, but only TDS sufferers think either has to do with Trump.

MAGA = My Administration Got Arrested

MAGA!!!!

The stench has surpassed Nixon level!
So, I wonder what you'll say when Flynn is exonerated and again appointed as Trumps NSA after Trumps landslide re-election and the Dems lose the House and the Rs gain a Super-Majority in the Senate (losing a few major RINOs in the process)?

And we'll soon see how many from Obama's crooked Admin go down once Barr and Durham get finished with them.

Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Strozk, Paige, etc etc etc... possibly even Barry himself...

M(ake)A(merica)G(reat)A(gain) is right!

Looks like Giuliani's plan to expose this set up worked 😎

a reply to: Gorgonite

Scapegoat.....🤔

a reply to: Extorris

In the reporting it appears they had lunch with Giuliani on Wednesday. Then they were arrested the next day at the airport with one-way tickets. The day before one of them was scheduled to testify in Congress.

Makes you wonder what they discussed with Rudy and if the investigators were listening in.

The two had lunch with Mr. Giuliani at the Trump International Hotel in Washington on Wednesday, according to a person who was in the hotel and saw the three together.

They were arrested at Dulles Airport on Wednesday while awaiting an international flight with one-way tickets, according to people familiar with the matter, a day before one of them was scheduled to testify before House committees.

a reply to: Extorris

This is very bad news for Giuliani and likely bad news for Trump.

a reply to: Gorgonite

Yeah man but you're barking up the wrong tree here. Most of the Trump supporters on ATS could care less if Russia is involved in any way (re: Mueller Report), illegal or not. As long as Russia is doing/backing whatever Trump voters want they're the good guys and should be applauded for their efforts to make america great again for the good of the Motherland........



That being said, I absolutely agree with you this is hilariously bad for Rudy. Super excited to see how things transpire from here.

a reply to: Gorgonite

I remember sometime in 2015-16, Dem Donors and a Super PAC for Hillary accused of the same. When brought up it was promptly brushed aside, and described as "not a big deal" since the Super PAC was not actually tied to Hillary in a direct way.


So I'd say, this is not a big deal.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Gorgonite

Yeah man but you're barking up the wrong tree here. Most of the Trump supporters on ATS could care less if Russia is involved in any way (re: Mueller Report), illegal or not. As long as Russia is doing/backing whatever Trump voters want they're the good guys and should be applauded for their efforts to make america great again for the good of the Motherland........



That being said, I absolutely agree with you this is hilariously bad for Rudy. Super excited to see how things transpire from here.

Mueller himself stated that no Americans were involved in trying to alter the outcome of the 2016 election.

Can you link where any Trump supporter on ATS stated anything close to " could care less if Russia is involved in any way, illegal or not. As long as Russia is doing/backing whatever Trump voters want they're the good guys and should be applauded for their efforts to make america great again for the good of the Motherland........"

So that we know you aren't pulling this stuff out of your @$$, of course.

a reply to: Gorgonite

Gee , a Few Guys willing to Expose Dirt on Criminals . WTF Else is New ? .............YAWN .

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Gorgonite

Yeah man but you're barking up the wrong tree here. Most of the Trump supporters on ATS could care less if Russia is involved in any way (re: Mueller Report), illegal or not. As long as Russia is doing/backing whatever Trump voters want they're the good guys and should be applauded for their efforts to make america great again for the good of the Motherland........



That being said, I absolutely agree with you this is hilariously bad for Rudy. Super excited to see how things transpire from here.

Mueller himself stated that no Americans were involved in trying to alter the outcome of the 2016 election.

Where did his report state that?

I remember under a couple indictments Rosenstien saying no Americans were "knowingly" involved, but there sure were Americans involved, like the kid that set up Fake US IDs and Accounts for Russian Operatives? Or the FL GOP Organizer that worked with Russian Operatives to organize a rally etc. etc.

I don't recall the final report exonerating Americans at large or even individuals? Just insufficient evidence to show Criminal Conspiracy on the American side. Please show me where Mueller stated this?

originally posted by: Gorgonite
a reply to: Extorris

This is very bad news for Giuliani and likely bad news for Trump.

Yep.

Trump already said "Ask Rudy" to a reporter.

Last time he said that about his Personal Attorney that guy got fired and went to jail.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Wayfarer
a reply to: Gorgonite

Yeah man but you're barking up the wrong tree here. Most of the Trump supporters on ATS could care less if Russia is involved in any way (re: Mueller Report), illegal or not. As long as Russia is doing/backing whatever Trump voters want they're the good guys and should be applauded for their efforts to make america great again for the good of the Motherland........



That being said, I absolutely agree with you this is hilariously bad for Rudy. Super excited to see how things transpire from here.

Can you link where any Trump supporter on ATS stated anything close to " could care less if Russia is involved in any way, illegal or not. As long as Russia is doing/backing whatever Trump voters want they're the good guys and should be applauded for their efforts to make america great again for the good of the Motherland........"

So that we know you aren't pulling this stuff out of your @$$, of course.

And YES Wingnuts on ATS have literally said they don't care if Putin helped elect Trump as long as it meant HRC didn't get elected. I am not going to hunt down and shame members, but anyone around here that has been on the political boards has seen it on occasion.

a reply to: Gorgonite

And THIS

Another associate of theirs was taken into custody in San Francisco, he said, and a fourth man was not yet in custody as of Thursday afternoon.

thehill.com...