The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

2. Not ONCE did I ever mention that police are always innocent. Didn't you read my last post, I posted that about 11% of all police shootings are against innocent people. How is that siding with the police?

Good point and well taken Now add the 11% of innocent shot to death to tazer and what do you get? Any questions look at Simons post above. And lets remember folks I didn't say it Roth didn't say it Thatsjustwierd didn't say it but John Titor talked about the Non-lethal weapons systems that turn out to be quite lethal! And how things will get worse over time. Like in 2008 when it reaches Everyones Doorstep, as opposed to in 2006 or 2005 when its Not at everyones doorstep.

Good post Simon nice to see your doin your homework. If anyone tazered my grandma there would be hell to pay.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Good point and well taken

Now add the 11% of innocent shot to death to tazer and what do you get?

That doesn't make any sense. If we counted taser deaths, the total would be well less than 1%. Since '99 (counting police taser use only - some of the numbers you all are citing are counting regular people with tasers. I know a couple of people (females) with tasers for protection) there have been about 100 or so deaths from the use of tasers. Since it's almost 2006, that comes to about 14 a year. Tasers are used about 100,000 times a year. That's .014%.


I'm still waiting for you or Roth or Simon to tell me why 14 deaths per year is worst than over 300 deaths per year!!??

Why are tasers, which don't even come close to killing 1% of the victims, going to cause a civil war and guns aren't??

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Good point and well taken

Now add the 11% of innocent shot to death to tazer and what do you get?

That doesn't make any sense. If we counted taser deaths, the total would be well less than 1%. Since '99 (counting police taser use only - some of the numbers you all are citing are counting regular people with tasers. I know a couple of people (females) with tasers for protection) there have been about 100 or so deaths from the use of tasers. Since it's almost 2006, that comes to about 14 a year. Tasers are used about 100,000 times a year. That's .014%.

I'm still waiting for you or Roth or Simon to tell me why 14 deaths per year is worst than over 300 deaths per year!!??

Why are tasers, which don't even come close to killing 1% of the victims, going to cause a civil war and guns aren't??

All questions are already answered in previous posts.

Thatsjustweird I didn't put that info up there for the death count...I put it up there for the amount of uncalled for use by LEO's....I guess you don't care that old women and children that can obviously be subdued without the use of a taser are being hit with these things...not once but more than once after they are already on the ground.How many times will it take of this happening before we are fed up with it?I woke up this morning still mad as hell over that video of granny.

My work - makes sures the laws of this land are being follow; even helps congress in the writing and dealing with new laws

That would explain why you are so ready to deny any evidence put here about any of this...You're not with us ..you're with them..You were given a list of names of people that have died from tasers...have you even checked so much as one name on that list before you said this?

1. You provided no link for that list

2. You have provided no evidence those people were murdered by tasers

3. You have provided no evidence those people were tasered by police

4. You have provided no evidence those people were defenseless

My guess would be no...why?Because then you would find out that it's mostly true..And before you say anything along the lines of providing links..well we have given you the info you need..It's up to you to find out for yourself if it's true.The time you spend sitting here telling us we all don't know what we are talking about could be spent checking to see if we are right or wrong...
I can tell you I did do some researching on it for about three hours lastnight..and I find it sad that instead of doing alittle research yourself you cover up your fear of it being true by laughing at those of us that provide the info for you.

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Thatsjustweird.... ....well we have given you the info you need..It's up to you to find out for yourself if it's true.The time you spend sitting here telling us we all don't know what we are talking about could be spent checking to see if we are right or wrong...
I can tell you I did do some researching on it for about three hours lastnight..and I find it sad that instead of doing alittle research yourself you cover up your fear of it being true by laughing at those of us that provide the info for you.

Well written Simon. I think Thatsjustweird is starting to learn that it doesn't help just to stick to this string and keep posting his very own opinion over and over again. This is not the place where he will learn what is going on in the big wide world around us. As soon as he overcomes his stubborn fears he will surely start going out on his own to discover the unbelievable things that are going on that he has not even discovered yet.

Maybe he will even discover that a single letter is sometimes worth looking into. JT didn't only talk about tasers. He mentioned "non lethal weapons" (plural form....) Maybe he needs a hint that there are other kinds of so called non lethal weapons, that are even more dangerous.
Maybe he has never heard of a "stun granade" and the physics it's based upon.
How about strobe lights, that lead to epilepsy, including permanent damage to the brain and nervous system?
Or how about this nasty gadget: sound induced pulses of certain freuquencies that lead to total mental disorder (also used in the Waco attacks).

Maybe our special HYPED up physist Dr. Brown (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Eton and Duke) alias syrinx high priest can tell you more about it instead of running around all over every JT string on ATS and asking everyone the same question over and over again: "Show me proof of a civil war".
For a proffessor who should be teaching his students what phsyics are all about and how harmful it can be to the human body, he sure does spend a hell of a lot of time buggering others to give him an answer he should already know himself. Why doesn't he TEACH you about the dangers?
Peter Paul

Originally posted by Simon_Boudreaux
Thatsjustweird I didn't put that info up there for the death count...I put it up there for the amount of uncalled for use by LEO's....I guess you don't care that old women and children that can obviously be subdued without the use of a taser are being hit with these things...not once but more than once after they are already on the ground.How many times will it take of this happening before we are fed up with it?I woke up this morning still mad as hell over that video of granny.

I wish you people would just slow down are actually read what I wrote. This is starting to get annoying have to explain simple stuff over and over again. Just SLOW down and read.

1. This thread is about Titor and his civil war. Not about tasers.

2. I have asked the same question over and over again, but I'm still not getting an answer. I'll make it bigger so you call can read it better. GUNS HAVE CAUSED MORE DEATH, MORE INJURIES, MORE TROUBLE ETC. THAN TASERS. WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD PEOPLE START A CIVIL WAR OVER TASERS WHEN GUNS ARE 100X MORE DEADLY AND CAUSE 100X MORE SERIOUS INJURIES AND ARE USED 100X MORE?

That would explain why you are so ready to deny any evidence put here about any of this...You're not with us ..you're with them..You were given a list of names of people that have died from tasers...have you even checked so much as one name on that list before you said this?

What have I denied!!!!!????

You guys aren't even reading my posts. I haven't denied a thing! I'm asking simple questions that children should be able to answer. Yet the answers are so hard to come by from you all. Why is that?

My guess would be no...why?Because then you would find out that it's mostly true..And before you say anything along the lines of providing links..well we have given you the info you need..It's up to you to find out for yourself if it's true.The time you spend sitting here telling us we all don't know what we are talking about could be spent checking to see if we are right or wrong...
I can tell you I did do some researching on it for about three hours lastnight..and I find it sad that instead of doing alittle research yourself you cover up your fear of it being true by laughing at those of us that provide the info for you.

Why can't you (more specifically Roth) just provide a link for where that list came from?
I think you know the answer to that.

Because it would show these people didn't die solely from tasers. Like the first person for example. He died because he was ODed on speed and other drugs. If the police officers would have used a gun in that situation, what do you think would have happened? (note: the drugs he was on make him numb to pain. Officers have shot people several times and have the person still fight them in similar cases)

Look at the second person on the list. It took several people to try to subdue him, and they still couldn't do it. If you were a police officer in that situation, what would you do? Shoot him? (they tried pepper spray, that didn't work) Do you know what could have completely remedied the situation? If he had just stopped fighting and complied.

Do you want me to continue?

And why don't you list the people who are shot to death by police per year?
Probably because 78 people would be in just one city.
So again I ask you? If you haven't started killing police and government officials because of their use of guns, why in the world would you kill them because of their use of a taser?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
GUNS HAVE CAUSED MORE DEATH, MORE INJURIES, MORE TROUBLE ETC. THAN TASERS. WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD PEOPLE START A CIVIL WAR OVER TASERS WHEN GUNS ARE 100X MORE DEADLY AND CAUSE 100X MORE SERIOUS INJURIES AND ARE USED 100X MORE?

"Weapons" Plural sir, meaning its not just tasers. Another answer to that is that we're just focusing on tasers at this moment, there are tons more "non lethal weapons" other than that, that could start this civil war.

Focusing

[edit on 15-12-2005 by ithilin]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
1. This thread is about Titor and his civil war. Not about tasers.

2. I have asked the same question over and over again, but I'm still not getting an answer. I'll make it bigger so you call can read it better. GUNS HAVE CAUSED MORE DEATH, MORE INJURIES, MORE TROUBLE ETC. THAN TASERS. WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD PEOPLE START A CIVIL WAR OVER TASERS WHEN GUNS ARE 100X MORE DEADLY AND CAUSE 100X MORE SERIOUS INJURIES AND ARE USED 100X MORE?

Who cares about the weapon itself?
You're caught up in an IDEA you're focused upon and don't yet realize that some of us are talking about PRINCIPLES.
You know we could just as well be chating about how many people have been killed just by using a kitchen knife. A kitchen knife is in most cases just a kitchen knife. Is it by it's nature a non lethal weapon, used to cut bread or spread butter on a piece of toast. But when does it become a LETHAL WEAPON? By the nature of it's existence, or by the will of the one who turns it into a weapon?
If you accidentaly stabbed someone to death, let's say 5 times, don't you think that someone might consider it very strange that the same "accident" happened 5 times in a row? When will the judge and the jury decide that it is totaly normal and natural that the same accident happened 5 times in a row and send you off a free man?
And how many scars do you find on taser victems that can prove that they weren't used excessivly? Or beyond human respect?
Anything that has ever been used or invented by mankind can also be MISUSED. That's what JT is pointing at. Nothing else.
And stop complaining that we don't understand you. Understand yourself.
Peter Paul

Good post peterpaul couldn't of explained it better.

wish you people would just slow down are actually read what I wrote. This is starting to get annoying have to explain simple stuff over and over again. Just SLOW down and read.

Um...we do read what you right...Do you read what we right or do you just have difficulty understanding it?

1. This thread is about Titor and his civil war. Not about tasers.

Part of JT's story is non lethal weapons that turn out to be lethal...That would mean..anyone..anyone?That's right TASERS!
Guns are considered lethal weapons so it doesn't come into play right now does it?
You're hung up on the whole gun thing why?We all know cops shoot people we don't need to hear you remind us over and over..
This is about the fact that police officers are using their new toys when there isn't a call for it that ends up resulting in death sometimes(yes there are times it is called for to use a taser I'm talking about times that it doesn't need to be used).

2. I have asked the same question over and over again, but I'm still not getting an answer. I'll make it bigger so you call can read it better. GUNS HAVE CAUSED MORE DEATH, MORE INJURIES, MORE TROUBLE ETC. THAN TASERS. WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD PEOPLE START A CIVIL WAR OVER TASERS WHEN GUNS ARE 100X MORE DEADLY AND CAUSE 100X MORE SERIOUS INJURIES AND ARE USED 100X MORE?

Cops used there guns when all else fails(for the most part)Cops are using their tasers to do things that they should use their self defense and law enforcement training for?Why?Is it because they are too lazy anymore?Or is it that they are just too childish and think since it isn't suppose to kill it's ok to use it?

What have I denied!!!!!????

Do I really need to answer this?

Because it would show these people didn't die solely from tasers. Like the first person for example. He died because he was ODed on speed and other drugs. If the police officers would have used a gun in that situation, what do you think would have happened? (note: the drugs he was on make him numb to pain. Officers have shot people several times and have the person still fight them in similar cases)

Um...the story fromWESHNEWSsays nothing about him overdosing.

Do you know anything about the effects some drugs have on the circularity,respiratory,and nervous systems of the human body?It doesn't matter if you feel pain or not when your heartbeat is already elevated..a 50,000 volt shock to a heart when it is already beating faster can and will cause the heart to become distressed.Do I need to provide you a link for this also?

And why don't you list the people who are shot to death by police per year?

Again because guns aren't classed as a non lethal weapon.

So again I ask you? If you haven't started killing police and government officials because of their use of guns, why in the world would you kill them because of their use of a taser?

I don't ever recall saying I would....Now if that was my grandma that got tased well I'm not sure if I would kill the cop since the granny didnt die but you better believe I'd make sure he couldn't even hold a taser anymore.


Lets look at the 6th name down on the list Robert Boggan, 65

The suit, filed Wednesday, calls the Taser use ''sadistic'' and ''malicious.'' It alleges jailers pepper-sprayed Boggan's face, stripped him naked, forced him into a shower cell and then shot him at least shot three times with the stun gun after he disobeyed an order.''Each time the Taser's darts were shot into Mr. Boggan's wet chest and he was shocked with 50,000 volts, the entire shower cell walls flashed as if lightning were striking in that small space,'' the suit alleges. ''Mr. Boggan screamed for his life on each occasion.''Boggan then collapsed and was put in a restraining chair that was dragged back to his cell, where he remained without medical attention until he was found dead seven hours later

He was arrested Aug. 18 after knocking over boxes at a Dollar Tree store during a ''mental episode,'' according to the lawsuit.

And this gave the officers the right to treat him the way they did?

link to 100 taser death casesAnd no I haven't read them all yet
Funny how the coroners in the majority of these cases don't find fault with the cops using their tasers.

Shall I continue?

Now thats just weird think if you did that and got arrested *the knocking over boxes thing* and that happened to you? wouldn't you start to question if we're actually safe from the police like we should be? or what if that was your wifeand that happened to her, eh? gotta think how all of this and everything that happens to anyone and everything and how it will affect the mindsets of other people, not just the reader of the incident. I don't think I need to respond on how I would feel if that would of happened to me or someone who I loved. But, yes I know that's in just one area but there are reports of misuse any many others aswell, lets just stick with this one - " When you have power you tend to use it to your advantage, good or bad "

Originally posted by ithilin

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
GUNS HAVE CAUSED MORE DEATH, MORE INJURIES, MORE TROUBLE ETC. THAN TASERS. WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD PEOPLE START A CIVIL WAR OVER TASERS WHEN GUNS ARE 100X MORE DEADLY AND CAUSE 100X MORE SERIOUS INJURIES AND ARE USED 100X MORE?

"Weapons" Plural sir, meaning its not just tasers. Another answer to that is that we're just focusing on tasers at this moment, there are tons more "non lethal weapons" other than that, that could start this civil war.
[edit on 15-12-2005 by ithilin]

Quite right ithilin, but once we get into those details we would find no end to it all. They are the physical means by which the will of someone is enforced on others. And if the law allows it, does the weapon have the priority meaning? Once a boxer is knocked down there is a referee to prevent him from being hit as long as he is inable to protect himself. That is the sport and those are the rules. But who protects the grannies and the children? Where's the referee for those cases?
The most lethal weapon and that has always been emphasized, is the spoken word. And by that I mean words of insult and humiliation. That is a weapon that can hurt the soul. Yet everyone knows a friendly word and a smile is a blessing that leads to friendship and understanding.
Tasers are for torture. They were invented to make people hate the ones who use them. And if noone on this thread understands that, then they don't even understand the basic rules of life. Then you're just shadowboxing your time away.
Peter Paul

The greatest non lethal weapon in life today is our will, learn to use it wisley

Originally posted by peterpaul
Who cares about the weapon itself?
You're caught up in an IDEA you're focused upon and don't yet realize that some of us are talking about PRINCIPLES.
You know we could just as well be chating about how many people have been killed just by using a kitchen knife. A kitchen knife is in most cases just a kitchen knife. Is it by it's nature a non lethal weapon, used to cut bread or spread butter on a piece of toast. But when does it become a LETHAL WEAPON? By the nature of it's existence, or by the will of the one who turns it into a weapon?
If you accidentaly stabbed someone to death, let's say 5 times, don't you think that someone might consider it very strange that the same "accident" happened 5 times in a row? When will the judge and the jury decide that it is totaly normal and natural that the same accident happened 5 times in a row and send you off a free man?
And how many scars do you find on taser victems that can prove that they weren't used excessivly? Or beyond human respect?
Anything that has ever been used or invented by mankind can also be MISUSED. That's what JT is pointing at. Nothing else.
And stop complaining that we don't understand you. Understand yourself.

1. You just wrote a lot of stuff, but addressed nothing....

2. Read the title of this thread.

3. Umm...read the title of this thread. This thread is about John Titor's civil war. A civil war in which 130 million Americans will die.
That's why we're talking about the weapon. I can guarentee you 130 million people will not die from tasers. I can guarentee you that if Americans aren't willing to start a civil war over 300+ people dying from guns then they sure won't start one because of 100 or so dying from tasers in the past 4-5 years.

Simon:

Part of JT's story is non lethal weapons that turn out to be lethal...That would mean..anyone..anyone?That's right TASERS!

Please go back to one of my posts a page or two ago. I wrote what page number I addressed this on. Previously in this thread I linked and talked about much more relevant weapon systems than tasers.

Guns are considered lethal weapons so it doesn't come into play right now does it?
You're hung up on the whole gun thing why?We all know cops shoot people we don't need to hear you remind us over and over..

That's not my point! That's why I said take your time and read.
My point is a question that I have yet to have answered. If Americans aren't willing to take up arms against the police and governement over gun use, then why in the world would they take up arms for taser use. Taser use which has saved more lives than it has killed. Taser use that is 100x less deadly than guns. WHY?

I asked what have I denied...You're only answer is...

Do I really need to answer this?

What kind of answer is that?
I thought I asked a simple question. Yes you have to answer it.

The only thing I have denied is that John Titor is real. So please, yes answer the question.

Do you know anything about the effects some drugs have on the circularity,respiratory,and nervous systems of the human body?It doesn't matter if you feel pain or not when your heartbeat is already elevated..a 50,000 volt shock to a heart when it is already beating faster can and will cause the heart to become distressed.Do I need to provide you a link for this also?

What are you talking about?
I know very well the effect of drugs on the body. My point is when you're that high, you don't feel any pain. What are the police supposed to do?


Again, if they shot those people do death would you still be angry? Or would you just pass it off as you do the other 300+?

TJW now your just being ignorant. why dont you open your eyes alittle bit. OF COURSE NO ONE WILL GO TO WAR OVER JUST TASERS. but throw it into the mix of the many other reasons. once its at EVERYONES doorstep, it will be a different story. when some one close to you gets tasered, your mind set will change more. plus every other reason that reveils itself, which i can garentee many will. truth is your right, people wont go to civil war just over tasers, its just more straw on the camels back though. but anyway tasers shouldnt be used, guns are used when people have lethal weapons. if they dont have a lethal weapon and there wasnt any possiblility then the person who shot should be thrown off the force, plain and simple.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I thought I asked a simple question. Yes you have to answer it.

The only thing I have denied is that John Titor is real. So please, yes answer the question.

True. You THOUGHT you asked a simple question.
Untrue. You THINK you have the answer to that question .

Stop trying to THINK you already know the answers and listen. Or "read" what others are trying to say and explain to you. Everyone on this string likes you. But you appear to be stuck on something known as a "fixed idea". You are staring at tasers and think they might be the sole reason for a civil war.
Now consider this: more than 5.500 US kids have deserted to Canada to avoid being sent of to Iraq. Do you know what risks they are taking if the US Government should ever catch up on them? What does the law say how they are to be treated? Do you believe they are going to give up just like that? What do you think awaits them? A dozen taser blasts? Guantanamo Bay? Abu Graihb? 30 years in some dark dungeon?
Do you think they even care a single second if John Titor ever existed? Nobody on this string really cares if JT is for real or not. The meaning is the REALITY. And its taking place HERE AND NOW.
I think the only question left here to ask is if you are REAL or Just Plain Weird.
Quit the drugs man and get sober. Everything that JT mentioned was already published in detail more than 100 years ago! It's even in the Vatican Library.
Peter Paul

Okay,


There will be no civil war in American in the next few weeks, nor will there be no in 2006. This "John Titor" person is clearly bogus; he is just making money off of peoples fears.

Sad.


-- Boat

Originally posted by grimreaper797
TJW now your just being ignorant. why dont you open your eyes alittle bit. OF COURSE NO ONE WILL GO TO WAR OVER JUST TASERS.

Dude, don't tell that to me. Tell that to Roth!
HE'S the one claiming tasers are the events that will cause the civil war. NOT ME!


Peterpaul: What you just wrote made no sense at all and is completely irrelevant to the current discussion.
I was talking to Simon.
He said I was denying something. But then he won't say what I'm denying. Please read the posts more carefully, it'll end any confussion. Thanks!

Originally posted by Boatphone
Okay,
There will be no civil war in American in the next few weeks, nor will there be no in 2006. This "John Titor" person is clearly bogus; he is just making money off of peoples fears.
Sad.

-- Boat

We're all ears Boatphone. Sounds like you might have the breaking news and that there won't be a WWIII. That would of course be greatest news since heaven knows when.
When can we all go back home?
Peter Paul

tasers will be a CAUSE. everyone in here should realize this. To say it will be the main cause though, i highly doubt that. lets be realistic. whether or not titors right there are definately major problems going on. this is undeniable. whether or not it leads to civil war, or straight into a world war i would say is any normal americans guess.